Star Wars Megathread Episode IV: A New Thread: UNTAGGED SPOILERS? 1 WEEK BAN - Film, Television and Music

[QUOTE=RG4ORDR;51630706][url]http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Kessel_Run[/url] Literally in a canonical sense he did it the fastest and at the same time discovered a way to cover it in less distance than the other people. It's like the only trail blazers finding a way to get a round a mountain but faster and short distance tahn the most traveled route.[/QUOTE] I just prefer the theory that Han Solo is actually a scummy chump that doesn't know what he's talking about. As supported by the look Ben gives him when he says it. But that is a take that's on the losing side of history (and canon).

I always thought han was bullshitting about the kessel run. I think it wqs implied in the script, too

[QUOTE=Dazzgrace;51631639]I always thought han was bullshitting about the kessel run. I think it wqs implied in the script, too[/QUOTE] It definitely is him talking himself up, as noted by "you've never heard of the millennium falcon?" as if he was some hotshot spacer.

From The script [QUOTE] In the revised fourth draft of A New Hope in 1976, the description for "Kessel Run" is put as follows: "It's the ship that made the Kessel run in less than twelve parsecs!" [B]Ben reacts to Solo's stupid attempt to impress them with obvious misinformation.[/B] So it implies that the puzzling speech of Han Solo is "misinformation" and not truth, and it has nothing to do with the nature of the Kessel Run in any respect. Han means nothing other than impressing Obi-Wan and Luke with pure boasting. Indeed, even in the final version of the script, the parentheses attached to Han's line state that he is "obviously lying."[/quote] And from George [quote]In the commentary for Star Wars: Episode IV A New Hope DVD, George Lucas mentions that the parsecs are due to the Millennium Falcon's advanced navigational computer rather than its engines, so the navicomputer would calculate much faster routes than other ships could. A similar info can be found in the notes Lucas recorded together with Carol Titelman in July/August 1977 to start a knowledge database for the planned sequels: "It’s a very simple ship, very economical ship, although the modifications he made to it are rather extensive – mostly to the navigation system to get through hyperspace in the shortest possible distance (par-sects).”[/QUOTE] So the script says hes boasting or lying, but there are also notes (mind you these were written a month after the movie came out) stating that his Parsec mention is intentional, he isn't mistaking it as a measurement of time.

[QUOTE=RG4ORDR;51630706][url]http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Kessel_Run[/url] Literally in a canonical sense he did it the fastest and at the same time discovered a way to cover it in less distance than the other people. It's like the only trail blazers finding a way to get a round a mountain but faster and short distance tahn the most traveled route.[/QUOTE] I don't really like the idea of it being an actual canon thing that he did it when the original intent seems to be that he was lying.

Felt like the idea of Jedi being pricks in the prequels was underdone. Never really got anakin's anguish when they were mostly chill guys. Windu wasn't even that bad.

[QUOTE=nightlord;51632619]I don't really like the idea of it being an actual canon thing that he did it when the original intent seems to be that he was lying.[/QUOTE] Welcome to the EU, where offhand comments that don't even matter get 4 pages of explanation and a whole spinoff book.

[QUOTE=The Jack;51632863]Felt like the idea of Jedi being pricks in the prequels was underdone. Never really got anakin's anguish when they were mostly chill guys. Windu wasn't even that bad.[/QUOTE] Clone Wars is still canon. There's a lot of questionable jedi behaviour in that series that gave Anakin plenty of cause for doubt. They're not pricks, but they are flawed.

[QUOTE=The Jack;51632863]Windu wasn't even that bad.[/QUOTE] I'm still trying to picture what kind of character Mace Windu is supposed to be in the movies. What is he supposed to represent in the whole narrative scheme. To talk about something I've watched recently, in The Clone Wars Windu can be best described as a sanctimonious, self-righteous "I can do no wrong" prik who constantly shuts down the well-intentioned Jedi and villains alike around him for reasons often left up to the audience's imagination. I mean [video=youtube;21CbIqQFgd0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=21CbIqQFgd0[/video]

[QUOTE=The Jack;51632863]Felt like the idea of Jedi being pricks in the prequels was underdone. Never really got anakin's anguish when they were mostly chill guys. Windu wasn't even that bad.[/QUOTE] I watched a video recently that bought up a very good point that i never noticed. At the start of RoTS where Palpatine is captured, he tells Anakin to kill Dooku. Anakin says "It's not the jedi way" so Palpatine responds with "He's too Dangerous to be left alive" and Anakin regretted doing it. The same thing happens between Anakin and Windu after he tries to capture Palpatine.

No I noticed that, I just don't think it's enough.

The council wanting anakin to shadow palpatine and having obi-wan deliver the message wasn't enough? Or the "you are on this council but not a master" bit? Since tpm they have been very skeptical of anakin, and likewise anakin's skepticism of them slowly grew.

[QUOTE=EliaMoroes;51633160]I'm still trying to picture what kind of character Mace Windu is supposed to be in the movies. What is he supposed to represent in the whole narrative scheme. To talk about something I've watched recently, in The Clone Wars Windu can be best described as a sanctimonious, self-righteous "I can do no wrong" prik who constantly shuts down the well-intentioned Jedi and villains alike around him for reasons often left up to the audience's imagination. I mean [video=youtube;21CbIqQFgd0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=21CbIqQFgd0[/video][/QUOTE] Did they even have the rights to Jackson's likeness for this? Windu looks like the aliens in Signs.

I don't think any of the characters really look like their movie actors

I don't think the Jedi were supposed to come across as pricks really, but they are very archaic in their views. Kind of a magic equivalent of a fundamentalist/extremist religion where the slightest step away from their intended path is the worst thing in the world. "No getting attached to people or having emotions about things because you'll end up on the Dark side!!!" If they raised apprentices in a more reasonable way maybe they would be at less of a risk of going to the Dark side in the first place. I have respect for Luke in RotJ because obviously he's spent time on his own doing his own learning and thinking about the Force and is arguably better balanced compared to a traditional Jedi (e.g. using force choke on Jabba's guards but not using it just to get his own way, allowing emotion to fuel his battle with Vader but not going too far with it). [sp] sorry I have strong opinions on this haha [/sp]

Relevant funny for upcoming episodes of Rebels [IMG]https://pics.onsizzle.com/jedi-and-sith-are-like-dpi-and-natural-enemies-mandalorians-6339720.png[/IMG]

I would love some sort of short EU comic or something about Mace Windu surviving and going on some sort of bad mother fucker crusade or some shit on the outer edge of the galaxy where he has gone somewhat insane due to the electrocution.

[QUOTE=usaokay;51627108]Can't wait for Rogue Two where it's a bunch of Bothans yelling at each other for two hours.[/QUOTE] Rogue Two will be about the one-man operation by the true hero of the Star Wars universe: Manny Bothans. Too bad he died.

Reminder that Rebels starts again today

[QUOTE=ColdWave;51635790]I would love some sort of short EU comic or something about Mace Windu surviving and going on some sort of bad mother fucker crusade or some shit on the outer edge of the galaxy where he has gone somewhat insane due to the electrocution.[/QUOTE] There are people who think Mace may appear in rebels, because we technically didn't see Mace die and his fate is still uncertain until we see his body. Personally I think he's dead.

[QUOTE=GrizzlyBear;51636270]There are people who think Mace may appear in rebels, because we technically didn't see Mace die and his fate is still uncertain until we see his body. Personally I think he's dead.[/QUOTE] He's dead. End of story.

I want him to be dead. I want just about every single Jedi that was prior to rebels to be dead because constantly showing "oh, [I]this one[/I] survived" just completely undermines the episodic movie story completely.

Kinda undermines the whole "luke is the last of the jedi" thing when there's a few dozen surviving Jedi running around having their own spin-offs.

[QUOTE=Reds;51636298]Kinda undermines the whole "luke is the last of the jedi" thing when there's a few dozen surviving Jedi running around having their own spin-offs.[/QUOTE] EU did that significantly. Though I actually did like some of the stories that came out of that, at least here we only have very VERY few Jedi, such as Kanan who survived and even then he wasn't actually a Jedi, just a padawan with unfinished training until later on, not like a [I]significant[/I] amount of Jedi.

[QUOTE=Reds;51636298]Kinda undermines the whole "luke is the last of the jedi" thing when there's a few dozen surviving Jedi running around having their own spin-offs.[/QUOTE] This is why I want both the Jedi's in rebels to die before Star Wars

[QUOTE=SpartanXC9;51636403]This is why I want both the Jedi's in rebels to die before Star Wars[/QUOTE] Technically only Kanan would have to die for that to be true. [editline]edit[/editline] Even Dave commented on this, his comments seem to imply that Kanan might be for the chopping block given he's one of the few "actual" remaining Jedi who was actually a part of the order. [QUOTE][B]StarWars.com: I have a bit of a continuity challenge for you. In Return of the Jedi, Yoda tells Luke, “When gone am I, the last of the Jedi will you be.” But now he knows that Kanan and Ezra are out there. We obviously don’t know at this point what will happen to them, but is that something you’re aware of?[/B] Dave Filoni: I don’t see it as a challenge at all. It’s what the Sith call an absolute. When Obi-Wan says to Luke, “Your father was the greatest starfighter pilot in the galaxy,” is that true? Or is that something you tell a kid because you want him to believe his father was great? It doesn’t have to be empirical or absolutely true. Saying Luke is “the last,” is that a singular thing, or is he the last of a group? I don’t know. It definitely is something that comes up, and we discuss that moment all the time for what it could mean. It is possible to interpret it as, Luke is the last person that’s following the path as laid out by the Jedi Order, which we knew. The way of the Jedi is not the only way to use the light side of the Force. Luke is taught by Obi-Wan and Yoda, who very much followed the dogma of the day. So, he is the last of that line for sure. That’s absolutely true. But you don’t have to be a Jedi to use the Force. You don’t have to be a Sith to use the dark side. [B]StarWars.com: Like the Inquisitor.[/B] Dave Filoni: Exactly. So, there’s definitely ways around it, but it’s definitely something that’s come up. It doesn’t mean we have to kill them, but it doesn’t mean that we won’t. We’ll have to see what makes sense.[/QUOTE]

Well, wiping out 10,000 jedi with 3 survivors only in the [I]entire[/I] galaxy, who are all relevant to the story, sounds stupid, especially with order 66+a few hunters, sounds pretty stupid. Like, "wiping out the jedi" only works if you mean "there are no active jedi, because they're all either dead or have ceased visible practice of jedi ways." It'd be like if the nazi's overlooked jews if they renounced their jew ways and converted into the standard faith of the populace. And if they didn't count jews that'd fled nazi territory. And then they went 'yeah, all the jews are gone'. I don't know about the star wars galaxy, it's ease of travel, how big the habitable plannets are and how many of them are in the galaxy, but searching for a jedi is going to be fucking hard, especially since most of the galaxy isn't charted. I doubt that the 10k jedi were all involved in the war too.

[QUOTE=The Jack;51636458]I doubt that the 10k jedi were all involved in the war too.[/QUOTE] They were, they unfortunately put a lot of their eggs into one basket during the Clone wars and they didn't expect their allies in the Republic and the usage of Order 66, of which they had no idea existed to completely turn everything against them, a lot of them didn't even know it was going on either and were lured in by a fake signal until Obi-wan managed to override it. Besides, more than 3 survived, have you watched Rebels at all? The Grand Inquisitor, former Jedi turned Dark side user, Ahsoka Tano, who renounced her Jedi status before order 66, so is more of a technicality than anything else here.

I think a low amount of jedi post PT is fine. They couldnt defeat vader anyway, luke is still the only one that can save the jedi order and his father.

Also death isn't the only way to write them out of the story and technically speaking Yoda wasn't really telling the truth either, from a certain point of view, when he said Luke was the last of the Jedi. Given Leia and her very real potential to become one if Luke failed or fell to the dark side. [QUOTE] Obi-Wan: That boy is our last hope. Yoda: No. There is another.[/QUOTE]