Star Wars Megathread Episode IV: A New Thread: UNTAGGED SPOILERS? 1 WEEK BAN - Film, Television and Music

[QUOTE=SpartanXC9;51653437]yeah but that's more of a "let's hope this works thing" [sp]Same thing happens in Rogue One too[/sp] and I'm sure you can just jump straight forwards until you turn the hyperdrive off[/QUOTE] nope [media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CcX8mDRIhYE[/media]

[QUOTE=Pops;51653380]oh no, i meant when they jump out of the hangar of the cargo ship to escape the rathtars and gangs. he just jumps into hyperspace, but that doesn't happen, as you need precise coordinates to make a jump. the scene you're talking about does it properly just like you explained, with them punching in coordinates and setting the ship up.[/QUOTE] Its been a while since I've seen it, but doesn't han try to jump to hyperspace while in an asteroid belt in ep5?

[QUOTE=HAKKAR!!!;51653585]Its been a while since I've seen it, but doesn't han try to jump to hyperspace while in an asteroid belt in ep5?[/QUOTE]nah, the asteroid field's his improv plan B after the hyperdrive fails

[QUOTE=The Jack;51653186]Why the fuck was Fin trained in melee combat? Unarmed combat might be useful if you get disarmed, but [I]gun beats stick[/I]. Also, He's a [I]waste disposal expert[/I]. [/quote] He was in the same training regiment as the trooper with the stun baton in the movie, he trained with him, the were squad mates. [quote]Calling a PMC 'the resistance' is a sad joke. I imagine it went something like this:[/quote] They're not a PMC [quote]Poe just left his jacket there. That he was wearing. Poe did not look for Fin if Poe were to wake up first. And then when it's revealed he's alive, there's surprise. Because nobody checks for corpses/injured people in need of medical attention. [/QUOTE] He was probably launched from the TIE Fighter when it crashes, the jacket might have gotten caught on the debris.

I always felt that the Resistance being named so made perfect sense in-universe. They're not pretending to be anything but the Rebel Alliance 2.0, so they're capitalising on the brand. Anybody who hears about them gets the idea immediately.

Wow the galatic empire is a really unimaginative name the original trilogy sucks now

[QUOTE=Dazzgrace;51654256]Wow the galatic empire is a really unimaginative name the original trilogy sucks now[/QUOTE] i agree I mean stormtrooper? like german stormtroopers? wow what an unimaginative name but in all seriousness I kinda wish they named the stormtroopers from TFA were named something else...

[QUOTE=angelangel;51654318]but in all seriousness I kinda wish the stormtroopers from TFA were named something else...[/QUOTE]perhaps Supreme Leader Snoke should consider using a clone army?

[QUOTE=Reds;51654079]I always felt that the Resistance being named so made perfect sense in-universe. They're not pretending to be anything but the Rebel Alliance 2.0, so they're capitalising on the brand. Anybody who hears about them gets the idea immediately.[/QUOTE] The whole problem with the Resistance is about the New Republic, not the group itself. Do you seriously want me to believe that a galactic government which is antagonized by the mere [I]remnants[/I] of its predecessor isn't going to destroy said remnants with extreme prejudice the second it has certain proof it's about to attack them with a planetary superweapon? No, of course not. Let the heroes, who of course won't ever have our same logistic and manpower level, do it, since "you know, we really want to be in amicable terms with the First Order. Peace." The Force Awakens is a movie where the fan wank goes so out of hand that it hurts the narrative constantly: in A New Hope we had a small group of heroic freedom fighter against a stronger foes? Well, in TFA we shall have another such a group of heroes, fuck everything else

[QUOTE=HAKKAR!!!;51653087]it's so weird to me that so much of the environment are models and look really good in photos but in the movie they look awful and fake. Like they put a filter over the whole thing that made it look jarring compared to the people i dunno [editline]11th January 2017[/editline] i have a suspicion that the first order didn't actually build starkiller base and just kinda found it and reactivated it, like it was a relic from an earlier age (maybe snokes??)[/QUOTE] Imagine building two giant Death Stars to take down singular planets when really there was an abandoned Starkiller Base floating out there the whole time. Sheev would feel so dumb.

Oh yeah i dont get why the resistance wouldnt operate under the new republic. It seems counter intuitive to taking out the first order.

The New Republic didn't take the FO seriously, and are mostly demilitarized

Hyperdrive computers typically had safety locks to prevent the drive from being fired within a gravity well. These could be disabled, sure, but jumping within a gravity well [I]typically[/I] carried extreme risk. [sp]despite this risk, I don't believe we're ever shown a jump like that [I]failing[/I] and resulting in the total destruction of the ship[/sp]

That's another thing I didn't really like about TFA, it felt disjointed in the respects that, it should have just been the New Republic going up against the First Order, the First Order obviously being not as powerful, so having to utilize blacklisted technology, or bioweaponry or anything other than another Deathstar but this time more powerful or whatever instead of handing the idiot ball to the New Republic for no apparent reason when it's very clear the First Order is a threat to galactic stability and they are even bank rolling people to fight them on the side, like that's one of the things the EU did right, we saw everything our heroes had done flourish, but here it feels stunted, like nothing our heroes ultimately did meant anything. We also never really got to see it from the New Republic's perspective other than a brief moment, so when the planets fucking explode I never really felt anything, from what I remember though JJ for some reason cut a lot of the stuff that made the movie make more sense and have more of an impact in that regard for some reason, of which he totally shouldn't have done. Like seriously, them being the "resistance" adds nothing to the plot at all, other than acting as a vague connotation to them being Rebels previously because they can't be anything else apparently, I mean hell, it would have been far better to have the New Republic put up a fight, we would actually have some sort of connection to it and then suddenly FUCKING HELL they have been building an illegal superweapon that manages to wipe out a sizable chunk of the New Republics navy and hyperspace in a fleet they have been building in secret to some of the New Republics now undefended worlds, of which they then aim their turbolasers at and [I]fire[/I] without remorse and without flinching. That would have been a far better scene.

I wish they could call episode 8 shadows of the empire without people getting confused for the old series

i wonder if the First Order has their own super star destroyer at almost 3km long the battleship model they had in Ep7 was already pretty damn overkill, so i'd love to see their take on the "even more supersized death ship" thing

[QUOTE=Bread_Baron;51654370]Imagine building two giant Death Stars to take down singular planets when really there was an abandoned Starkiller Base floating out there the whole time. Sheev would feel so dumb.[/QUOTE] sheevs from the tropic hot planet of naboo, he aint got time for that cold ice shit, dude needs his heated throne rooms and i can respect that

[QUOTE=jonu67;51654533]That's another thing I didn't really like about TFA, it felt disjointed in the respects that, it should have just been the New Republic going up against the First Order, the First Order obviously being not as powerful, so having to utilize blacklisted technology, or bioweaponry or anything other than another Deathstar but this time more powerful or whatever instead of handing the idiot ball to the New Republic for no apparent reason when it's very clear the First Order is a threat to galactic stability and they are even bank rolling people to fight them on the side, like that's one of the things the EU did right, we saw everything our heroes had done flourish, but here it feels stunted, like nothing our heroes ultimately did meant anything. We also never really got to see it from the New Republic's perspective other than a brief moment, so when the planets fucking explode I never really felt anything, from what I remember though JJ for some reason cut a lot of the stuff that made the movie make more sense and have more of an impact in that regard for some reason, of which he totally shouldn't have done. Like seriously, them being the "resistance" adds nothing to the plot at all, other than acting as a vague connotation to them being Rebels previously because they can't be anything else apparently, I mean hell, it would have been far better to have the New Republic put up a fight, we would actually have some sort of connection to it and then suddenly FUCKING HELL they have been building an illegal superweapon that manages to wipe out a sizable chunk of the New Republics navy and hyperspace in a fleet they have been building in secret to some of the New Republics now undefended worlds, of which they then aim their turbolasers at and [I]fire[/I] without remorse and without flinching. That would have been a far better scene.[/QUOTE] Post Endor, the new republic heavily demilitarized as a silly knee jerk to the empire. The FO formed in the unknown regions, known for being primarily... [I]unknown.[/I] The NR were kinda just treating the FO like they were just an angry child. Sure they were present, but it wasn't thought to be enough of a threat to warrant a response from the republic. Hence why leia was like "fuck this shit I've seen this before" and formed the resistance. The Resistance was their [I]formal name.[/I] While the "rebel alliance" was a description of what the previous rebels were, a rebelling alliance. [I]They[/I] were formally known as the Alliance to Restore the Republic. The republic were literally afraid to militarize and start a war, and it won't be until the next couple movies where they actually get up and do something because the vast majority of the new republic learned of SB when you know, they got [I]atomized.[/I]

[QUOTE=Joazzz;51654652]i wonder if the First Order has their own super star destroyer at almost 3km long the battleship model they had in Ep7 was already pretty damn overkill, so i'd love to see their take on the "even more supersized death ship" thing[/QUOTE] i kinda wish instead of another starkiller base they just had a massive fleet of ships and star destroyers to surprise invade hosnian or w/e the fuck with. kinda like the nazis flying over and bombing london or something or the cg intro thing from that shitty star wars mmo

I hope the next movie starts out with the first order attempting to seize control over a planet

[QUOTE=Dazzgrace;51654746]I hope the next movie starts out with the first order attempting to seize control over a planet[/QUOTE]let's see those walkers

If the next movie opens with the Empire attacking an ice planet I'm not going to be able to hear myself think over the shitstorm.

See like, the force awakens had cool moments. It wasn't an entirely bad film. Finn and Poe were cool characters, a stormtrooper turning traitor is one of the few new things, and while I didn't believe Kylo Ren I can appreciate what they're trying even if I've predicted the ends. Fights were cool. I liked the new lightsaber and was eagerly anticipating some more knightly and less dancy fights. I'm not entirely sure on BB8's function (astromech? really?) but it's cool. Some of the jokes landed, but I can't really remember them. I just thought the plot had major issues. Like R2-D2 had some important data IIRC. He was turned off. Thing is, he's a droid, and if you know he has data, you can just copy his data onto something that will share it (Granted, that droid has seen a lot. Has he ever had his memory wiped?) and after enough of them show up, the smaller things that could use justifying to keep them working seem aggravating as well. Right now, those things stood out so much that I remember them over the good stuff. That film wasn't just derivative, it was a carefully researched collection of what was most marketable about starwars, and I felt insulted at the exploitation. Here's the old cast, the fans will go nuts. Here's Han in trouble, the Fan's will go nuts. We've one-upped the death star (again) the fan's will go nuts. Here's Anakin's lightsaber, Look we're paying [I]homage[/I] to the first film. X-wings and the Millennium falcon (which was a piece of junk over 20 years ago), the fans are going ballistic. It's the 'resistance' again, unlike those prequels, The fans will take their whole families. We've avoided all political talk since people didn't like it in the prequels, even though more was necessary to better establish the position of the resistance, the republic, and those planets that got destroyed that we'd never had reason to care about. And the film looks so good for it's pandering plot. It's a Disney Mind-trick. Another problem and solution is that it was obviously made for a sequel, a better sequel. It set up so much, but we're not resolving anything because the scenario is the equivalent of killing Archduke Frans Ferdinand or bombing pearl harbour. That'd be fine if [I]everything[/I] wasn't treated like the beginning of something that'd be answered in episode IX. I have hope for episode 8. Ideally, we've established most things, we've introduced the new concepts. we can see them be resolved. The logical escalation of the first film's conflict is a sound story. And hopefully criticism/praise will be used to better the trillogy. I wanna see large scale fights between the New Order, bolstered by the other imperial remnants and the New Republic. I wanna see larger, more medieval clashes between the knights of Ren and the new Jedi order. I do wanna find out who parented who. I just felt that The Force Awakens is too reliant on the past and future for it's own good (and a greedy Disney mind-trick to boot)

Honestly, I kinda wished poe stayed dead. It sort of dampened the effect of Finn's drive to join the resistance. On the other hand, he's a cool character. Also, can I just say how fucking awesome the opening scenes for TFA were? This and RoTS are my favorite opening scenes.

[QUOTE=S31-Syntax;51654669]Post Endor, the new republic heavily demilitarized as a silly knee jerk to the empire. The FO formed in the unknown regions, known for being primarily... [I]unknown.[/I] The NR were kinda just treating the FO like they were just an angry child. Sure they were present, but it wasn't thought to be enough of a threat to warrant a response from the republic. Hence why leia was like "fuck this shit I've seen this before" and formed the resistance. The Resistance was their [I]formal name.[/I] While the "rebel alliance" was a description of what the previous rebels were, a rebelling alliance. [I]They[/I] were formally known as the Alliance to Restore the Republic. The republic were literally afraid to militarize and start a war, and it won't be until the next couple movies where they actually get up and do something because the vast majority of the new republic learned of SB when you know, they got [I]atomized.[/I][/QUOTE] I understand that, but none of that's in the movie though is it, in fact with JUST the movie and none of the material released later on to make sense of it, it all feels extremely nonsensical and you still don't have [I]any[/I] connection to this New Republic, either way I'd still have preferred they axe the whole Resistance thing and just stick to the New Republic underestimating the First Order and getting majorly fucked for it and THEN perhaps introduce the Resistance as a way of counteracting the First Order.

[QUOTE=jonu67;51654806]I understand that, but none of that's in the movie though is it, in fact with JUST the movie and none of the material released later on to make sense of it, it all feels extremely nonsensical. Either way I'd still have preferred they axe the whole Resistance thing and just stick to the New Republic underestimating the First Order and getting fucked for it and THEN perhaps introduce the Resistance as a way of counteracting the First Order.[/QUOTE] True, in that regard it was poor writing in the movie to require additional reading to make full sense of it. Regardless, it wouldn't make sense to introduce the resistance after the FO fuck the NR sideways considering at the point that the FO bends the NR over the couch, its obvious that a full formal [I]not resistance[/I] response is needed and the NR would just respond itself, not allow the commissioning of a para-military group to do the fighting for them so they can dodge the heat.

[QUOTE=S31-Syntax;51654822]True, in that regard it was poor writing in the movie to require additional reading to make full sense of it. Regardless,[B] it wouldn't make sense to introduce the resistance after the FO fuck the NR sideways considering at the point that the FO bends the NR over the couch[/B], its obvious that a full formal [I]not resistance[/I] response is needed and the NR would just respond itself, not allow the commissioning of a para-military group to do the fighting for them so they can dodge the heat.[/QUOTE] That's why the Starkiller would need to go, just the idea of the Starkiller in general sort of rubs me the wrong way, nothing should be more destructive than the Death Star. Replace it with a secret fleet, or major terrorist acts against the Republic or [I]something[/I] that isn't just an instant I win button because I feel like they went in the wrong direction with Starkiller Base just being an even more powerful instantly get rid of the New Republic with one press of a button uber Deathstar, at the very least weaken Starkiller base so it doesn't completely fuck the New Republic sideways, but gives the First Order that chance to finally go toe to toe with them, or at least weaken them enough that a resistance would be the sort of thing that would appear.

So an interesting thought my friends and I worked out. At the end of Ep III 'Revenge of the Sith', Obi-Wan tells Anakin he has the high ground, Anakin challenges him to which Obi-Wan responds "Don't try it!". And as we know Anakin goes for it and gets cut down. We figured out that in Ep I 'The Phantom Menance', Obi-Wan pulled the same shit on Darth Maul, flipping over and behind him. Considering Obi-Wan has done it before and also trained Anakin for years, he knew what Anakin was going to try and thus why he got his ass handed to him.

[QUOTE=SlickBlade;51654850]So an interesting thought my friends and I worked out. At the end of Ep III 'Revenge of the Sith', Obi-Wan tells Anakin he has the high ground, Anakin challenges him to which Obi-Wan responds "Don't try it!". And as we know Anakin goes for it and gets cut down. We figured out that in Ep I 'The Phantom Menance', Obi-Wan pulled the same shit on Darth Maul, flipping over and behind him. Considering Obi-Wan has done it before and also trained Anakin for years, he knew what Anakin was going to try and thus why he got his ass handed to him.[/QUOTE] Naw mate, it's cuz he had the high ground, weren't you listening.

[QUOTE=SlickBlade;51654850]So an interesting thought my friends and I worked out. At the end of Ep III 'Revenge of the Sith', Obi-Wan tells Anakin he has the high ground, Anakin challenges him to which Obi-Wan responds "Don't try it!". And as we know Anakin goes for it and gets cut down. We figured out that in Ep I 'The Phantom Menance', Obi-Wan pulled the same shit on Darth Maul, flipping over and behind him. Considering Obi-Wan has done it before and also trained Anakin for years, he knew what Anakin was going to try and thus why he got his ass handed to him.[/QUOTE] P o e t r y. Someone please post that video where Luke has the high ground on Vader, then Vader has a flashback to what happened with Obi-Wan, so he just throws his lightsaber instead.