Star Wars Megathread Episode IV: A New Thread: UNTAGGED SPOILERS? 1 WEEK BAN - Film, Television and Music

Anakin! It's the highgroun- Jedi way!

[QUOTE=jonu67;51654827]That's why the Starkiller would need to go, just the idea of the Starkiller in general sort of rubs me the wrong way, nothing should be more destructive than the Death Star. Replace it with a secret fleet, or major terrorist acts against the Republic or [I]something[/I] that isn't just an instant I win button because I feel like they went in the wrong direction with Starkiller Base just being an even more powerful instantly get rid of the New Republic with one press of a button uber Deathstar, at the very least weaken Starkiller base so it doesn't completely fuck the New Republic sideways, but gives the First Order that chance to finally go toe to toe with them, or at least weaken them enough that a resistance would be the sort of thing that would appear.[/QUOTE] Starkiller base doesn't make strategic sense. You can destroy the surface of a planet, and thus everyone on it, with a fleet, and fleets are cheaper. You can easily destroy starkiller base. It can't move around like the deathstar because it's a planet. It doesn't have the armour of the deathstar because it's a planet. You shoot with it, a fleet will come for you, you loose. This is unless of course you have a large fleet to protect it, which the NO didn't have. The NR might demilitarise, but not that much, and likely most demilitarization was strategic "let's demilitarise that planet, they still harbour imperial sympathies" . It's inconcievable that there aren't going to be loyalists to the empire. The most republic-loyal systems would still have fleets. The emperor could build the death star because he had the luxury of a supermassive fleet already, and a death star intimidates even those that can build/usurp a fleet. bio weapons Better fleets Clever coups Ship-sized bombs. Better tactics and strategy. Better technology (I believe this is part of the NO plan to make up for numbers.) Droids Good alliances An order of force sensitive, lightsaber wielding knights that can make a big difference in battles. Now yes, the NO do some of this to an extent. But it'd be cooler if one of these was the focus rather than death star no.3 I wonder if Thrawn will come in at some point.

[QUOTE=The Jack;51654948]Starkiller base doesn't make strategic sense. You can destroy the surface of a planet, and thus everyone on it, with a fleet, and fleets are cheaper. You can easily destroy starkiller base. It can't move around like the deathstar because it's a planet. It doesn't have the armour of the deathstar because it's a planet. You shoot with it, a fleet will come for you, you loose. [/QUOTE] I don't think that really matters, it's still basically the Deathstar but EVEN MORE POWERFUL, I mean how many worlds did it destroy in one salvo? six?, even if it has a few flaws, how the fuck are you going to stop it from destroying everything? You don't, it fires and you are pretty much fucked, because it's shots apparently travel at hyperspace velocities or something, also I've looked it up and apparently Starkiller Base was mobile, it has extremely huge rockets that make it capable of moving through space, so as to reach and deplete stars of their power, so as to fire the super weapon and just like the Death Star 2 it was also protected by a planetary shield, but on itself, so you can't just go to another planet to turn it off, so theoretically a fleet wouldn't really be much of a problem for it. You could possibly stop it afterwards by exploiting the weakness in it's shield with what is apparently an extremely tricky maneuver as they did in the movie, once everything is fucking destroyed though because you couldn't possibly stop it from firing, but all it needs is that ONE shot, It's an instant "I win" button so as to write in our heroes as the plucky rebels fighting against a nebulous threat in the next movie that shouldn't have been in the movie in the first place, the whole of Starkiller base felt like a cop-out, they could have done it in so many other ways, but they chose the safe "death star threat again" idea. [editline]edit[/editline] Seriously this thing would be The Emperors wet dream, he'd be happy to have this over the Death Star any day, I mean it can fucking destroy entire star systems in one shot, is extremely well protected from large fleets due to it's planetary level shielding, can move and it [I]eats[/I] stars to fuel itself. It's fucking ridiculous that a bunch of crazy post-empire fanatics could build a super weapon that did more damage to the universe in a short timespan than the fucking Empire and was technically better than the Death Star in most functions, it's honestly one of my few problems with TFA, I could believe them building a fleet, or some sort of minor superweapon that wasn't the Death Star++ Omega that Starkiller base was, but I feel like Starkiller base was far too much.

[QUOTE=The Jack;51654948] [B]I wonder if Thrawn will come in at some point.[/B][/QUOTE] This relies entirely on whether or not Thrawn dies in Rebels

[QUOTE=S31-Syntax;51655006]This relies entirely on whether or not Thrawn dies in Rebels[/QUOTE] If he does I'll be laughing my ass off, all that hype and build up only for him to get beaten by the Rebellion before it's even won it's first victory.

[QUOTE=catbarf;51650309]Now I return to waiting for a decent Star Wars FPS that isn't Republic 'The only thing better than bullet sponge super battle droids are infinitely respawning Geonosians' Commando. I'd really kill for one set in the time period of the OT, but by the sound of things the new Battlefront isn't worth it.[/QUOTE] Ever played the Jedi Knight games? I haven't played enough of Dark Forces and Jedi Knight to say how good they are, but Jedi Outcast is absolutely fantastic and Jedi Academy is a solid follow up with some great missions.

It's official, Woody Harrelson has joined the cast of the Han Solo film.

[QUOTE=The Jack;51654948]Starkiller base doesn't make strategic sense. You can destroy the surface of a planet, and thus everyone on it, with a fleet, and fleets are cheaper. You can easily destroy starkiller base. It can't move around like the deathstar because it's a planet. It doesn't have the armour of the deathstar because it's a planet. You shoot with it, a fleet will come for you, you loose. This is unless of course you have a large fleet to protect it, which the NO didn't have. The NR might demilitarise, but not that much, and likely most demilitarization was strategic "let's demilitarise that planet, they still harbour imperial sympathies" . It's inconcievable that there aren't going to be loyalists to the empire. The most republic-loyal systems would still have fleets. The emperor could build the death star because he had the luxury of a supermassive fleet already, and a death star intimidates even those that can build/usurp a fleet. bio weapons Better fleets Clever coups Ship-sized bombs. Better tactics and strategy. Better technology (I believe this is part of the NO plan to make up for numbers.) Droids Good alliances An order of force sensitive, lightsaber wielding knights that can make a big difference in battles. Now yes, the NO do some of this to an extent. But it'd be cooler if one of these was the focus rather than death star no.3 I wonder if Thrawn will come in at some point.[/QUOTE] "Starkiller base doesn't make strategic sense" Well with the one time it fired it managed to almost completely destroy the head of the New Republic (it also destroyed the New Republic's entire fleet if I remember correctly) and the only way to infiltrate it was through the use of a suicidal hyperspace jump. Also it can move.

[QUOTE=SlickBlade;51654850]So an interesting thought my friends and I worked out. At the end of Ep III 'Revenge of the Sith', Obi-Wan tells Anakin he has the high ground, Anakin challenges him to which Obi-Wan responds "Don't try it!". And as we know Anakin goes for it and gets cut down. We figured out that in Ep I 'The Phantom Menance', Obi-Wan pulled the same shit on Darth Maul, flipping over and behind him. Considering Obi-Wan has done it before and also trained Anakin for years, he knew what Anakin was going to try and thus why he got his ass handed to him.[/QUOTE] I should also mention, in the Revenge of the Sith PS2 game, after clearing the game you can replay it as Anakin, which has an alternate ending where Anakin successfully defeats Obi-Wan. What happens next, well... [media]http://youtu.be/c2ob1eFi0hw[/media] Skip to 5:53 An interesting concept. No empire, no rebellion, only Darth Vader.

I've always wanted to play that videogame, I don't know why

[QUOTE=EliaMoroes;51655321]I've always wanted to play that videogame, I don't know why[/QUOTE] It's honestly pretty decent.

[QUOTE=The Jack;51654948]It doesn't have the armour of the deathstar because it's a planet.[/QUOTE]your other points have a varying degree of validity but if i'm not missing some hidden meaning here, this one is just downright bumfuck stupid the armour of the death star, compared to a planet? and the planet is the weaker one? do you know just how fucking tough a planet is? it's a gigantic floating mass of rock and minerals, and you need to open several thousand barrels of whoop-ass to even make a noticeable dent in it - even our most powerful nuclear weapons have left but little pockmarks into the total mass of our world. so let's assume a planet is "weaker" than the armor of a battlestation. let's assume some mile-long killship deploys its weaponry against this terrestrial mass, weaponry that damages the planet by an amount that could be considered proportional to how much you need to dent the Death Star to actually damage it. it may take a while or it might be instantaneous, but when the bombardment is done the planet has a crater the size of Germany in it, its geology has been destabilized and its climate is messed up. everything around the massive ground zero is dead. everything not within its immediate vicinity is about to be dead from the fallout. now can you imagine what happens when you point guns of this sort - even ONE of these guns - at a battlemoon that's a small fraction of the size of an Earth-sized planet? hell, even the Starkiller was five times bigger. spoiler: the Death Star loses hard. how the HELL is a planet weaker than the Death Star, an artificial construct that you could conceivably blow apart with sufficient application of nuclear weapons as long as it doesn't have a deflector shield (which the original apparently didn't)?

[QUOTE=Tuskin;51654050]He was in the same training regiment as the trooper with the stun baton in the movie, he trained with him, the were squad mates. They're not a PMC He was probably launched from the TIE Fighter when it crashes, the jacket might have gotten caught on the debris.[/QUOTE] Poe takes his jacket off when he gets into the tie fighter.

[QUOTE=SlickBlade;51655286] An interesting concept. No empire, no rebellion, only Darth Vader.[/QUOTE] Answer: his faction collapses into nothing after 1 year because Vader can't rule for shit and isn't nearly as smart as Palpy. Assuming you mean he creates his own state to rule, which he likely does in that alt ending.

[QUOTE=Pops;51655574]Poe takes his jacket off when he gets into the tie fighter.[/QUOTE] Oh, right.

[QUOTE=HAKKAR!!!;51653087]i have a suspicion that the first order didn't actually build starkiller base and just kinda found it and reactivated it, like it was a relic from an earlier age (maybe snokes??)[/QUOTE] A mysterious evil superweapon hidden in the edge of the galaxy, that draws upon the energy of a massive star? Maybe it's [sp]Rakatan.[/SP] The First Order did come up with a crazy huge military of advanced technology in a very short period of time. Did they use an [sp]Infinite Engine? If SWToR is canon, we know Revan had one or two that he kept around.[/SP] And who would know about this technology after thousands of years, and still be able to operate it? Maybe [SP]Snoke is a reincarnation of Vitiate just as Valkorion was.[/SP]

[QUOTE=Chonch;51656399]A mysterious evil superweapon hidden in the edge of the galaxy, that draws upon the energy of a massive star? Maybe it's [sp]Rakatan.[/SP] The First Order did come up with a crazy huge military of advanced technology in a very short period of time. Did they use an [sp]Infinite Engine? If SWToR is canon, we know Revan had one or two that he kept around.[/SP] And who would know about this technology after thousands of years, and still be able to operate it? Maybe [SP]Snoke is a reincarnation of Vitiate just as Valkorion was.[/SP][/QUOTE] SWTOR isn't canon.

[QUOTE=Chonch;51656399]A mysterious evil superweapon hidden in the edge of the galaxy, that draws upon the energy of a massive star? Maybe it's [sp]Rakatan.[/SP] The First Order did come up with a crazy huge military of advanced technology in a very short period of time. Did they use an [sp]Infinite Engine? If SWToR is canon, we know Revan had one or two that he kept around.[/SP] And who would know about this technology after thousands of years, and still be able to operate it? Maybe [SP]Snoke is a reincarnation of Vitiate just as Valkorion was.[/SP][/QUOTE] swtor isnt canon (which is good because its shit) but I wouldnt mind seeing the Starforge return. Only problem is I could see audiences not liking another doomsday weapon

That's weird, I wonder where I heard that it was. Extra odd is that before TFA released there were crossguard sabers added into SWtoR once Rebels mentioned they were an ancient design.

[QUOTE=Chonch;51656573]Extra odd is that before TFA released there were crossguard sabers added into SWtoR once Rebels mentioned they were an ancient design.[/QUOTE] Because money. They also made a speeder similar to Rey's.

[QUOTE=Chonch;51656573]That's weird, I wonder where I heard that it was. Extra odd is that before TFA released there were crossguard sabers added into SWtoR once Rebels mentioned they were an ancient design.[/QUOTE] Bioware desperately wants it to be canon

[QUOTE=SpartanXC9;51656561]swtor isnt canon (which is good because its shit) but I wouldnt mind seeing the Starforge return. Only problem is I could see audiences not liking another doomsday weapon[/QUOTE] it's a different type of doomsday weapon though. instead of "giant OP lazor" it's an unlimited mass production facility of pretty much whatever you want. i'd be fine seeing that, shit they should just have a massive fleet battle a la logh. no super weapons, maybe one or two saber duels and all-out dog-fighting war. basically, d-day in space. otherwise, the only other options are to keep going OP super-weapons that trump the previous one or just incredibly powerful force users.

I like the crossguard. But I think from a practical standpoint, it'd be a little better if only one side emitted a laser and the side closer to you was just light-saber resistant material. So you don't fuck yourself up by accident. A basket hilt with lightsaber around the basket would be pretty ballin' too.

A beam basket hilt sounds like it'd look like the silliest thing ever.

Nah like, a regular basket hilt, with a beam basket hilt over the top of it. Or you know those cutlasses that look like knuckle dusters? Trench knives? Maybe something where there's metal and then laser on the outside. But I'm getting into "we made this so people would buy kids toys' territory. Lucas would love it

Those are all stupid ideas for lightsabers, clearly I need to enlighten you all, with the pure [I]majesty[/I] of the Knee saber, this is the sort of lightsaber Kylo should have had. [t]http://i.imgur.com/je6BCJS.jpg[/t] Or, as an alternative, the safest lightsaber design known to man, the slightly below the hand saber. [t]http://i.imgur.com/y2OfNUy.jpg[/t] [editline]editline[/editline] Or the Hula Hoop saber, the most FUN design for a lightsaber. [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/yaCYJQy.jpg[/IMG] In fact just give him each of these in an amalgamation of lightsabers, the knee sabers and the slightly below the hand sabers, that are also both Hula Hoop Sabers, he'd look like the most bad ass Dark Jedi ever.

I want the gun saber

[QUOTE=The Jack;51657134]I like the crossguard. But I think from a practical standpoint, it'd be a little better if only one side emitted a laser and the side closer to you was just light-saber resistant material. So you don't fuck yourself up by accident. A basket hilt with lightsaber around the basket would be pretty ballin' too.[/QUOTE] to be fair the only place you can get lightsaber resistant material in canon now is from those pesky mando thugs and i think mandalore still hates people with lightsabers at the time of TFA

[QUOTE=Dazzgrace;51657249]I want the gun saber[/QUOTE] A clumsy and random weapon for a more civilised age.

[QUOTE=Dazzgrace;51657249]I want the gun saber[/QUOTE] you mean Ezra's first saber?