Star Wars Megathread Episode IV: A New Thread: UNTAGGED SPOILERS? 1 WEEK BAN - Film, Television and Music

I really don't like this gun. Like it looks so thick and cumbersome and it has glowy parts. I don't think that's really needed. Maybe if we were playing Xcom, eh? [video=youtube;d2JwB9Zg_IE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d2JwB9Zg_IE[/video] Everyone else seems to think this part is cool. I didn't like it, It gives us context than Kylo Ren is incredibly powerful, Like you never saw yoda/skywalker/the emperor managing that, and much of the rest of the film is about how weak he is. He holds it there effortlessly, and the plasma doesn't disperse or anything like that. That's gotta be more effort than lifting something heavy. The force has always been inconsistent in power, but this move always struck me as something above what jedi-sith masters were capable of. I wanna see more guns based on WW2 weapons. This isn't the thread for me pointing out how cool such stuff looks, but a lot of stuff in the OT was based on british/German guns. Heck, E-11's (and later DH-17's) were still shootable. I guess it's disney wanting to make the props more sellable as toys, since people'd flip their shit if you were selling children something more gun like, but it's not a good thing for the film itself.

[QUOTE=The Jack;51675217]I really don't like this gun. Like it looks so thick and cumbersome and it has glowy parts. I don't think that's really needed. Maybe if we were playing Xcom, eh? [video=youtube;d2JwB9Zg_IE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d2JwB9Zg_IE[/video] Everyone else seems to think this part is cool. I didn't like it, It gives us context than Kylo Ren is incredibly powerful, Like you never saw yoda/skywalker/the emperor managing that, and much of the rest of the film is about how weak he is. He holds it there effortlessly, and the plasma doesn't disperse or anything like that. That's gotta be more effort than lifting something heavy. The force has always been inconsistent in power, but this move always struck me as something above what jedi-sith masters were capable of. I wanna see more guns based on WW2 weapons. This isn't the thread for me pointing out how cool such stuff looks, but a lot of stuff in the OT was based on british/German guns. Heck, E-11's (and later DH-17's) were still shootable. I guess it's disney wanting to make the props more sellable as toys, since people'd flip their shit if you were selling children something more gun like, but it's not a good thing for the film itself.[/QUOTE] Kylo Ren was able to do that because he was in his zone. He starts to become weaker throughout the movie because his emotions get to him, he's conflicted about the Dark Side and everything starts to go wrong. He's also a Skywalker. I don't think you've actually watched the movie.

Woah I'm actually agreeing with Spartan for once [editline]15th January 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=SpartanXC9;51673856]I'd prefer if Revan was male since it's always been that way. Now the Exile being female is stupid[/QUOTE] But like Revan she has always been female. She wasn't canonically male then turned female

[QUOTE=SpartanXC9;51675294]Kylo Ren was able to do that because he was in his zone. He starts to become weaker throughout the movie because his emotions get to him, he's conflicted about the Dark Side and everything starts to go wrong. He's also a Skywalker. I don't think you've actually watched the movie.[/QUOTE] And he gets shot by a blaster equivalent of anti materiel rifle.

If it was that powerful there wouldn't have been a Stormtrooper left

Kylo ren struck me as a strong but arrogant Force user, when he gets to show off and isn't under any pressure he's great. But when he's stressed or surprised he starts to crumble. This sort of explains why he gets worse as the film goes on.

[QUOTE=Tuskin;51675317]If it was that powerful there wouldn't have been a Stormtrooper left[/QUOTE] The Stormtrooper armor is actually ridiculously resistant as Rebels showcases (and FO armour is more advanced). It still sends few of them flying. And they have to keep the movie PG 13.

Yeah most of the time he's probably only dealing with non-force users

[QUOTE=The Jack;51675217]I really don't like this gun. Like it looks so thick and cumbersome and it has glowy parts. I don't think that's really needed. Maybe if we were playing Xcom, eh? [video=youtube;d2JwB9Zg_IE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d2JwB9Zg_IE[/video] Everyone else seems to think this part is cool. I didn't like it, It gives us context than Kylo Ren is incredibly powerful, Like you never saw yoda/skywalker/the emperor managing that, and much of the rest of the film is about how weak he is. He holds it there effortlessly, and the plasma doesn't disperse or anything like that. That's gotta be more effort than lifting something heavy. The force has always been inconsistent in power, but this move always struck me as something above what jedi-sith masters were capable of. [/QUOTE] I figured the reason we didn't see anyone else do this is because hold [I]one[/I] bolt in mid-air, with intense concentration seemingly required, is a pretty useless ability for anything other than showing off. edit: especially since force-users have good reflexes and he could just, y'know, dodge it

[QUOTE=Tuskin;51675310]Woah I'm actually agreeing with Spartan for once [editline]15th January 2017[/editline] But like Revan she has always been female. She wasn't canonically male then turned female[/QUOTE] revan was always canonically male, whatchu mean. also, while i don't mind the female exile being canon, a lot of the marketing for kotor 2 was actually pushed towards a male exile, even in artwork and shit.

[img]http://i.qkme.me/3r6lcx.jpg[/img] Unless they start adding in specific elements of the EU again like Thrawn, stop debating on the canonicity of Revan when he's not canon. The Lucas Story Group KNOWS Revan and the Old Republic are immensely popular and there's not doubt in my mind that there's gonna be a reconstruction of it at some point and time. [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Image macro" - Craptasket))[/highlight]

Isn't the darkside suposed to be like, speed-balls of power? You use it a little too much and you're on a downward spiral. I recall the light not having such properties. I appreciate what they tried with Kylo. I do not think they did it well. It's no prequel anakin, but it just wasn't very good. People've said stuff like 'He was injured when he fought Finn and Rey, he was just toying with them when he fought finn and Rey, there was a part where he paused for .2 seconds between captain phasma's question and his order to kill them all which shows even then he's struggling I didn't believe his character much. That part with Han was painfully predictable. Good for them for trying a conflicted character. But i saw him less as a good jedi gone bad and more of a weak Sith who can't confront reality, but he's a grown man and it isn't like his childhood was surrounded by terrible people. Maybe if we saw him get 'seduced' then it'd be a little more compelling. Vader was compelling without the emperor. You don't really see any reason for kylo to stand on his own, rather than just be snoke's lackey-tier follower. He doesn't behave in between Sith and Jedi. He's incapable of being a monster after his own self, and he's incapable of stability. He doesn't act like either, and yet he's given a leadership roll. Apparently, according to spartan, he degenerated over the course of the movie, hence his diminishing power. Many characters seem to think he'd had good in him since the beginning . Really, I think he was always unstable, the helmet just helps him hide a little.

[QUOTE=Pops;51675428]revan was always canonically male, whatchu mean.[/QUOTE] I worded that wrong.

[QUOTE=The Jack;51675638]Isn't the darkside suposed to be like, speed-balls of power? You use it a little too much and you're on a downward spiral. I recall the light not having such properties.[/QUOTE] From what I understand, the dark side is much easier to pick up and has much more power immediately available to the user, but usually has less potential for power than the longer, more intense training behind light side abilities (see decades of learning in Palpatine vs. hundreds of years in Yoda). [QUOTE=The Jack;51675638]Vader was compelling without the emperor. You don't really see any reason for kylo to stand on his own, rather than just be snoke's lackey-tier follower. He doesn't behave in between Sith and Jedi. He's incapable of being a monster after his own self, and he's incapable of stability. He doesn't act like either, and yet he's given a leadership roll.[/QUOTE] I think you're ignoring critical parts of Kylo's character. He [i]wants[/i] to follow the dark side and revive the "glory" of his grandfather, but has an inherent draw to the light through his training under Luke. He lusts for that immediate power the dark side offers. This throws him into constant turmoil over his years of conditioning from Luke and Kylo's own wishes to follow a darker path. To me, he stands very much on his own, and is an intriguing character. As for the helmet, I believe he wears the helmet mostly to intimidate, and hide the fact that he really has an unintimidating face underneath. Lots of people shit on Adam Driver's face being too nerdy for the character, but that's the point. Once he puts that barrier between his face and others, he can act as Kylo Ren and not have his true self recognized by others.

I am questioning why The Jack is even watching Star Wars films at this point :v:

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;51675699]I am questioning why The Jack is even watching Star Wars films at this point :v:[/QUOTE] it certainly brings an interesting flavor into the chat

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;51675699]I am questioning why The Jack is even watching Star Wars films at this point :v:[/QUOTE] To be fair he does have [I]some[/I] legitimate criticisms, even if they are mixed in with less than legitimate criticisms and it's always nice to have an alternative viewpoint, even if you disagree with said viewpoint.

[QUOTE=The Jack;51675638]Isn't the darkside suposed to be like, speed-balls of power? You use it a little too much and you're on a downward spiral. I recall the light not having such properties. I appreciate what they tried with Kylo. I do not think they did it well. It's no prequel anakin, but it just wasn't very good. People've said stuff like 'He was injured when he fought Finn and Rey, he was just toying with them when he fought finn and Rey, there was a part where he paused for .2 seconds between captain phasma's question and his order to kill them all which shows even then he's struggling I didn't believe his character much. That part with Han was painfully predictable. Good for them for trying a conflicted character. But i saw him less as a good jedi gone bad and more of a weak Sith who can't confront reality, but he's a grown man and it isn't like his childhood was surrounded by terrible people. Maybe if we saw him get 'seduced' then it'd be a little more compelling. Vader was compelling without the emperor. You don't really see any reason for kylo to stand on his own, rather than just be snoke's lackey-tier follower. He doesn't behave in between Sith and Jedi. He's incapable of being a monster after his own self, and he's incapable of stability. He doesn't act like either, and yet he's given a leadership roll. Apparently, according to spartan, he degenerated over the course of the movie, hence his diminishing power. Many characters seem to think he'd had good in him since the beginning . Really, I think he was always unstable, the helmet just helps him hide a little.[/QUOTE] Script states he felt weaker after killing Han (doubt in the Dark Side) His character is the reverse of Anakin where Anakin was seduced to the Dark Side Kylo is being seduced to the light. Also Kylo and Snoke aren't Sith

[QUOTE=SpartanXC9;51676035]Script states he felt weaker after killing Han (doubt in the Dark Side) His character is the reverse of Anakin where Anakin was seduced to the Dark Side Kylo is being seduced to the light. Also Kylo and Snoke aren't Sith[/QUOTE] sith are just a faction of dark force users, there isn't anything else that comes with it besides a darth title.

I've just seen the last episode of Rebels! And guess what?! [B]FUCKING FILLER[/B]: 1) The team splits for ... reasons 2) Marvel-Disney movies' level of humor (as to say, pretty low) 3) Nothing of import happens, nor there is any character development 4) "Hey guys, let's use the last moments of the episode to allow Thrawn to make a cameo and say something cool. Fans will get wet and praise the episode while we stall for time!" I'm being genuine when I say that I really like Star Wars Rebels, but to be perfectly honest this retarded episodes management of theirs was in full force in the last two seasons too and is starting to worn out its welcome. There's also something that can be said about how a fucking laughing stock they are turning Zeb into (every time Ezra jokes at his expense I die a little inside)

[QUOTE=EliaMoroes;51676274]I've just seen the last episode of Rebels! And guess what?! [B]FUCKING FILLER[/B]: 3) [B]Nothing of import happens, nor there is any character development[/B] [/QUOTE] [sp] I guess Thrawn narrowing down his search for the rebel base to only 90 planets isn't important or relevant. [/sp]

I didn't think the episode was that humorous.

[QUOTE=DanielSA10;51676419][sp] I guess Thrawn narrowing down his search for the rebel base to only 90 planets isn't important or relevant. [/sp][/QUOTE] [sp]"He's slowly getting them, guys! Just you wait! *Wink wink*"[/sp]

[QUOTE=EliaMoroes;51676496][sp]"He's slowly getting them, guys! Just you wait! *Wink wink*"[/sp][/QUOTE] But unlike those other times, this one actually showed progress.

I wonder if zeb and AP-5 will get along better in future episodes, or if that'll be forgotten next episode. It's a dull episode, not a bad episode as Elia will say, and not pure filler, but it's just not that entertaining. A weak episode in a mostly-fantastic season. Note: I don't think it's consistent that they can put that much stuff into a single droid. Zeb's plan would be risky and really [sp]It shouldn't have taken down a star destroyer. They should be better protected from that kinda stuff. Like blowing up the base seemed feasible because they had so many munitions around, but a star destroyer should have some internal protection from explosives. [/sp]

episodes so far have been underwhelming after the mid-season break

[QUOTE=SpartanXC9;51676035]His character is the reverse of Anakin where Anakin was seduced to the Dark Side Kylo is being seduced to the light.[/QUOTE] Is that 'lucas poetry' I sense...?

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;51675699]I am questioning why The Jack is even watching Star Wars films at this point :v:[/QUOTE] or if [editline]16th January 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=EliaMoroes;51676274]I've just seen the last episode of Rebels! And guess what?! [B]FUCKING FILLER[/B]: 1) The team splits for ... reasons 2) Marvel-Disney movies' level of humor (as to say, pretty low) 3) Nothing of import happens, nor there is any character development 4) "Hey guys, let's use the last moments of the episode to allow Thrawn to make a cameo and say something cool. Fans will get wet and praise the episode while we stall for time!" I'm being genuine when I say that I really like Star Wars Rebels, but to be perfectly honest this retarded episodes management of theirs was in full force in the last two seasons too and is starting to worn out its welcome. There's also something that can be said about how a fucking laughing stock they are turning Zeb into (every time Ezra jokes at his expense I die a little inside)[/QUOTE] A Kids show B Filoni's commitment to a completely rounded universe, even the little stuff in the background C there's this thing called character development, it's pretty popular among the hip young kids these days D Thrawn has narrowed down the list to something that can be searched in literal months, that's kind of a big fucking deal E As with the Mass Effect thread, what you think the series should be and what it very clearly is are two absolutely different things, and they aren't ever going to meet now matter how much you awkwardly headcanon it, iceskating uphill is not a particularly productive pasttime

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;51677280]Is that 'lucas poetry' I sense...?[/QUOTE] jar jar abrams is only capable of making a pastiche, not genuine poetry

[QUOTE=Pops;51677506]jar jar abrams [/QUOTE] Stop