Star Wars Megathread Episode IV: A New Thread: UNTAGGED SPOILERS? 1 WEEK BAN - Film, Television and Music

In episode 3, Obi-Wan mentions some "business on Cato Neimoidia", is it ever revealed what it is or is it just a fun mystery for us to wonder?

[QUOTE=Cows Rule;51677624]In episode 3, Obi-Wan mentions some "business on Cato Neimoidia", is it ever revealed what it is or is it just a fun mystery for us to wonder?[/QUOTE] Only in legends AFAIK [url]http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Battle_of_Cato_Neimoidia[/url]

I thought one of the recent novels re-canoned Raven?

[QUOTE=Cows Rule;51677624]In episode 3, Obi-Wan mentions some "business on Cato Neimoidia", is it ever revealed what it is or is it just a fun mystery for us to wonder?[/QUOTE] To be honest I kind of like it when they do things like that. Like Han mentioning Ord Mantell in [I]Empire[/I], you're kind of just meant to go along with it when you hear it and it's a complete mystery if you don't follow the EU. It's like subtle world building. It's also something not a lot of movies do now, kind of worried to see how the other new movies handle stuff like that, if at all.

Whatever the fans think and fantasize it is will always be better, awing and more immersive than whatever writers and directors set in stone for such mysteries.

[QUOTE=umega5;51678279]I thought one of the recent novels re-canoned Raven?[/QUOTE] no

One thing I find hylarious is that I think I'm the most adamant fan of The Old Republic era around these parts, yet I took the news of its de-canonization surprisingly well. Far too well.

[QUOTE=umega5;51678279]I thought one of the recent novels re-canoned Raven?[/QUOTE] Nothing is being made canon again, at all. If something that is now non-canon is mentioned anywhere, it would is not the same as the one we know from Legends, they have not just taken that and made it canon. It would be something [I]entirely new[/I] based on them.

Not entirely true, some minor background characters are the same, like Dr. Evazan His backstory is the same as it was in the EU.

[QUOTE=Tuskin;51679413]Not entirely true, some minor background characters are the same, like Dr. Evazan His backstory is the same as it was in the EU.[/QUOTE] It's not a case of "Oh __ was mentioned, that means what we knew before is canon again", is what i meant. They can obviously take things from the previous version and integrate that into the new one.

The imperial march is hidden in the R1 track 'Hope' [url]https://twitter.com/i/videos/tweet/820822717284773888[/url]

This whole "Why isn't ___ from rogue one in the original trilogy?!" thing i keep seeing everywhere is getting quite annoying. Why is it so hard for people to understand? You don't see things like "Why don't we see Snowtroopers in the movies other than on Hoth? I guess they must have all been sent there!" or "Why don't we see spacetroopers anywhere in the Galaxy other other than that one outside the Deathstar? Is there only one in existence?!" It's absurd that people really don't understand it. It's even in the names of some of them (e.g, Shoretrooper) that those things are meant for specific environments and situations that don't appear again in any of the other movies. There is absolutely no need for them. They don't appear in the other movies because there is no situation where those things would be present.

So, the episode of Rebels that aired Saturday, that story was original the B-Plot for next weeks episode. Both stories grew bigger so they were made into their own episodes. [editline]16th January 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=nightlord;51681119]This whole "Why isn't ___ from rogue one in the original trilogy?!" thing i keep seeing everywhere is getting quite annoying. Why is it so hard for people to understand? You don't see things like "Why don't we see Snowtroopers in the movies other than on Hoth? I guess they must have all been sent there!" or "Why don't we see spacetroopers anywhere in the Galaxy other other than that one outside the Deathstar? Is there only one in existence?!" It's absurd that people really don't understand it. It's even in the names of some of them (e.g, Shoretrooper) that those things are meant for specific environments and situations that don't appear again in any of the other movies. There is absolutely no need for them. They don't appear in the other movies because there is no situation where those things would be present.[/QUOTE] This, and I have more. the TIE Striker is an atmospheric fighter, while it can fight in space it cannot do it as well as a TIE Fighter, in turn it can fight better in Atmosphere then a TIE Fighter. It was also an experimental fighter developed on Scarif. The U-Wing is a transport, the only real place you could see them being used in in the OT is Hoth, but remember how the Snowspeeder was having trouble being adapted to the cold? Perhaps they had more trouble with the U-Wing. As for Endor, too many trees. Plus it was a stealth mission. [editline]16th January 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=Chonch;51674214][IMG]http://i.imgur.com/HTIQNbn.png[/IMG] [t]https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/c0/c3/41/c0c3417d25cd37035996c7825e989041.jpg[/t] ??? It's not Aurebesh or any other kind of canon numerology I've seen. Did anyone else notice this?[/QUOTE] It is a reference to Predator according to the official website.

"why didn't lasers look as cool in A New Hope when they did in Rogue 1" on the other hand "Why aren't there TIE interceptors in A New Hope. They would've defended the death star way better" Inform me: What's the reason for TIE strikers? They look cheaper, and IIRC the empire has a hardon for cheap fighters. Is that it? Like regular TIE fighters function pretty good in atmosphere. TIE strikers don't look intimidating is the real problem with them. Like Rogue 1 did such a fantastic job of making the empire look terrifying. Strikers seem like the weakest TIE design. U-Wings fill a Niche the rebel fleet needed to fill. It's not a weakness that R1 had them, It's more that only a single scene in the original trilogy, ESB's Hoth scene, could have used them, and they'd be running away. The only thing of arguable consistency is the imperial droids seen in R1, who numbered 3 (i think) in the film and never in the OT. But, then again, the outer rim doesn't exactly have much resources spent on it. Also. I was under the impression there'd be more shore troopers. Ground forces were like 90% regular stormtroopers and 9% Shore troop. In ESB everyone at Hoth was a snow trooper. As for that droid. If it's a reference to Predator (probably along with the bleeding, since droids don't usually bleed, right?) , It would've been cooler if the robot was more like predator. Not in that it skins people or whatever, but some sneaking, a cloaking device, and a similar plasma weapon would've gone a long way.

[QUOTE=The Jack;51681356] Inform me: What's the reason for TIE strikers? They look cheaper, and IIRC the empire has a hardon for cheap fighters. Is that it? Like regular TIE fighters function pretty good in atmosphere. TIE strikers don't look intimidating is the real problem with them. Like Rogue 1 did such a fantastic job of making the empire look terrifying. Strikers seem like the weakest TIE design. [/QUOTE] [url]http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/TIE/sk_x1_experimental_air_superiority_fighter[/url] [editline]16th January 2017[/editline] According to the Poe Dameron comics [sp]C-3P0[/sp] is the reason why those two gangs are looking for Han Solo in Episode 7. [sp]He mentioned out loud in ear shot of one of them that he owed both, which got them working together[/sp]

An extended version of the Rebel's trailer. [video=youtube;XD9i6Du1u8E]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XD9i6Du1u8E[/video] For non-Americans [url]http://eachvideo.com/watch?v=XD9i6Du1u8E[/url]

I was kinda hoping that the darksaber was just an alternate lightsaber design. See, the darksaber is weird to me. Cause it's got a blade, but it's made of lightsaber-burning-stuff, right? Why do you need a blade if it's superheated plasma in a containment field (or whatever) It's cool. Really cool, and the above isn't a statement that it shouldn't exist. I was however, Up to that moment, just thinking the darksaber was some less-good/different style of lightsaber that they could replicate if they wanted to. It's artifact status brought about because it was tech that wasn't used much anymore, so someone made it Iconic when they used it for something cool. A part of me hates it when cool things are one-of-a-kind.

The blade shape is probably symbolic.

It's a little EU to me. While I love Star Wars and its rich history, I think the Dark Saber is a bit out there. Sure, a mandalorian jedi. I can accept that. But... A completely different saber design? After they introduced the broad-saber design (Kylo Ren's) as an ancient design, too? It feels a little shoe-horned. I guess it matters from TCW era and that series, but I thought it was kind of stupid then, too.

[QUOTE=Tuskin;51680727]The imperial march is hidden in the R1 track 'Hope' [url]https://twitter.com/i/videos/tweet/820822717284773888[/url][/QUOTE] hmm, i caught onto that when i saw the movie in theaters. also, it legitimately plays later in the track anyway.

I really like how those two themes match up together. I need more of that orchestral, horrifying Empire like I need air in my lungs.

[QUOTE=Pops;51682375]hmm, i caught onto that when i saw the movie in theaters. also, it legitimately plays later in the track anyway.[/QUOTE] I wouldn't mind hearing a choir version of the Imperial March along with the instrumentals.

[QUOTE=RG4ORDR;51682558]I wouldn't mind hearing a choir version of the Imperial March along with the instrumentals.[/QUOTE] something along the lines of this? [media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CfTnqX5AoqY[/media]

[QUOTE=revan740;51682361]It's a little EU to me. While I love Star Wars and its rich history, I think the Dark Saber is a bit out there. Sure, a mandalorian jedi. I can accept that. But... A completely different saber design? After they introduced the broad-saber design (Kylo Ren's) as an ancient design, too? It feels a little shoe-horned. I guess it matters from TCW era and that series, but I thought it was kind of stupid then, too.[/QUOTE] I think 'The first mandolorian jedi' being only about 1000 years old is a little weird with the timeframe of star wars. But 'ancient' in star wars is a vague as fuck term. I don't think anyone can recall the year people invented blasters and hyperdrives. The black blade seems to be more of a problem than the shape to me. The shape? Yeah, sure, just change the crystal(s)/energy container's shape. Using a Kyber crystal and energy to make black where there'd normally be white? Yeah it's fantasy, but I like my fantasy consistent.

[QUOTE=The Jack;51682761]I think 'The first mandolorian jedi' being only about 1000 years old is a little weird with the timeframe of star wars. But 'ancient' in star wars is a vague as fuck term. I don't think anyone can recall the year people invented blasters and hyperdrives. The black blade seems to be more of a problem than the shape to me. The shape? Yeah, sure, just change the crystal(s)/energy container's shape. Using a Kyber crystal and energy to make black where there'd normally be white? Yeah it's fantasy, but I like my fantasy consistent.[/QUOTE] legends canon actually had years for when hyperdrives and other tech was created. sadly, that's all gone out the window.

[QUOTE=Tuskin;51680727]The imperial march is hidden in the R1 track 'Hope' [url]https://twitter.com/i/videos/tweet/820822717284773888[/url][/QUOTE]holy SHIT it sounds awesome with the two overlaid speaking of the Imperial March, here's a [B]very[/B] good fan rendition at 1:02 [media]https://youtu.be/VtF4Ku4G_5o?t=63[/media]

[QUOTE=The Jack;51675217]I really don't like this gun. Like it looks so thick and cumbersome and it has glowy parts. I don't think that's really needed. Maybe if we were playing Xcom, eh? [video=youtube;d2JwB9Zg_IE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d2JwB9Zg_IE[/video] Everyone else seems to think this part is cool. I didn't like it, It gives us context than Kylo Ren is incredibly powerful, Like you never saw yoda/skywalker/the emperor managing that, and much of the rest of the film is about how weak he is. He holds it there effortlessly, and the plasma doesn't disperse or anything like that. That's gotta be more effort than lifting something heavy. The force has always been inconsistent in power, but this move always struck me as something above what jedi-sith masters were capable of. I wanna see more guns based on WW2 weapons. This isn't the thread for me pointing out how cool such stuff looks, but a lot of stuff in the OT was based on british/German guns. Heck, E-11's (and later DH-17's) were still shootable. I guess it's disney wanting to make the props more sellable as toys, since people'd flip their shit if you were selling children something more gun like, but it's not a good thing for the film itself.[/QUOTE] I agree with you that having non-firing prop guns totally ruins the look and feel of it all when you watch it on the big screen. It just doesn't have the same feel as a blank-firing prop gun.

[QUOTE=Pops;51682765]legends canon actually had years for when hyperdrives and other tech was created. sadly, that's all gone out the window.[/QUOTE] While there is no year of when it happened, we do know how they created it.

[QUOTE=The Jack;51675217] [video=youtube;d2JwB9Zg_IE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d2JwB9Zg_IE[/video] Everyone else seems to think this part is cool. I didn't like it, It gives us context than Kylo Ren is incredibly powerful, Like you never saw yoda/skywalker/the emperor managing that, and much of the rest of the film is about how weak he is. He holds it there effortlessly, and the plasma doesn't disperse or anything like that. That's gotta be more effort than lifting something heavy. The force has always been inconsistent in power, but this move always struck me as something above what jedi-sith masters were capable of. [/QUOTE] Im under the impression that, especially in the newer movies, each force duder has his own signature power(s) that he's able to excel at. darth maul being a flippy agile dude Palpatine with lightning Vader with choking dudes and deflecting shit with his hands kylo ren at being able to freeze and immobilise shit (like that blaster and he freezes Poe and Rey later as well as being able to read minds) I saw a theory that Rey is able to essentially scavenge other peoples force powers (using mind tricks right after Ren does, pulling a lightsaber right after Ren tries, tapping in to the force to focus or w/e right after Ren tries) which is why she's able to pick shit up so easily

Sounds like a load of bull to me. He's just using a specific force power in a show of force/exotic kind of way to intimidate his foe. [QUOTE=HAKKAR!!!;51683821]I saw a theory that Rey is able to essentially scavenge other peoples force powers (using mind tricks right after Ren does, pulling a lightsaber right after Ren tries, tapping in to the force to focus or w/e right after Ren tries) which is why she's able to pick shit up so easily[/QUOTE] Either that or subpar writing on the movies part of which may be fixed in the next episode because she's some famous Jedi's daughter and that's why she's picking shit up so fast (Luke, Obi-wan, Yoda :v: haha) or whatever, because we still don't know her [I]mysterious[/I] backstory.