Star Wars Megathread Episode IV: A New Thread: UNTAGGED SPOILERS? 1 WEEK BAN - Film, Television and Music

I prefer that they dont make movies continuing the new timeline after the new trilogy and leave it to books and novels

[QUOTE=jonu67;51683844]Sounds like a load of bull to me. He's just using a specific force power in a show of force/exotic kind of way to intimidate his foe. Either that or subpar writing on the movies part of which may be fixed in the next episode because she's some famous Jedi's daughter and that's why she's picking shit up so fast (Luke, Obi-wan, Yoda :v: haha) or whatever, because we still don't know her [I]mysterious[/I] backstory.[/QUOTE] Even if that was the case i don't think it would explain it. It'll still be bad writing unless she's been previously trained. You don't just suddenly be able to use force powers without any prior training or even knowledge about them. Luke had to be trained by Obi-wan before he was able to do anything, despite one of the most powerful Jedi ever being his father, and then he had to be trained by Yoda to unlock his abilities properly. Rey just decides she can suddenly do these things and performs them pretty easily despite not even having been told about them.

[QUOTE=nightlord;51683933]Even if that was the case i don't think it would explain it. It'll still be bad writing unless she's been previously trained. You don't just suddenly be able to use force powers without any prior training or even knowledge about them. Luke had to be trained by Obi-wan before he was able to do anything, despite one of the most powerful Jedi ever being his father, and then he had to be trained by Yoda to unlock his abilities properly. Rey just decides she can suddenly do these things and performs them pretty easily despite not even having been told about them.[/QUOTE] True, but until we know her mysterious backstory it's sort of up in the air. She might have already had training and it was repressed or something. [editline]edit[/editline] In the meantime though, yeah it's a tad bullshit.

She was what, 4-5 years old when she was left on Jakku? Then again, how old were those kids in Episode 2 that were training with Yoda?

I think she's meant to be closer to 7-8 when she gets dumped on Jakku. Either way, her memories of pre-Jakku don't currently exist, and yeah, unless it's revealed she's previously trained, nothing will work, not even that dumb reincarnation theory.

[QUOTE=angelangel;51683474]I agree with you that having non-firing prop guns totally ruins the look and feel of it all when you watch it on the big screen. It just doesn't have the same feel as a blank-firing prop gun.[/QUOTE] Finaly, someone who'll reply to me about that who's not just thinking I'm shitting on TFA because I like shitting on things they like. maybe it's got something to do with the era. When I was a kid WW2 shooters were really popular (I also liked museums) and before that, my dad who's aged more for the OT had this hard-on for Germans as a whole (lately, I tried convincing him Kabanosi was polish, not german. He wasn't having it) I guess war stuff was still popular then. Now, we don't really have that. Indeed if games set the trend, Modern warfare and Future warfare are the sellers, so the guns in Star Wars have changed as such. For kids these days WW2 is not something our Fathers or even grandfathers were in, but great grandfather territory. That said, A uzi, Galil, MP7, mp5, m60, SA80... There's a lot of stuff that'd be relevant to modern audiences and look cool if you slapped some stuff on it and called it a blaster. (SA80 is my favourite here, it'd look so good as a blaster) (like I'd still prefer WW2 stuff, but anyhow) As for force powers, they kinda learn force powers from a library of techniques/their masters. There isn't a power in the films, other than mid-air bolt stopping, that you don't see twice (if we assume Vader's absorption was related to lighting absorption) The EU got a little crazy with extra force powers, The prequels were real conservative with them, and I'd argue that TFA is crazy liberal with new ones. I was really hoping Erza would get more dark shit from [sp] The sith holocron [/sp] but they seem to have tied up that arc and it really sucks for it. [sp] Those holocons are broke now? [/sp] Maybe they'll bring it back, I really hope they do. People give Rebels a lot of flak, but I recall not every episode of the clone wars was Umbara or Mandalore, so give it time. I was kinda hoping Force judgment would be one (and that there'd be more lightsaber colours in the jedi order than 2 in the films. Mace Windu doesn't count)

The kyber crystal in new canon is lame.

i liked it better when they didn't need to be anything other than colorful rocks imbuing them with intrinsic magic powers seems kind of trite to me

[QUOTE=Dazzgrace;51684188]The kyber crystal in new canon is lame.[/QUOTE] But it is essentially the same as the old EU, just not in colour. [editline]17th January 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=Grenadiac;51684284]i liked it better when they didn't need to be anything other than colorful rocks imbuing them with intrinsic magic powers seems kind of trite to me[/QUOTE] They were always tuned to the force, even in the EU. The new canon just added to that.

ehh i didn't really word that very well what i mean is i don't like the idea of the crystal itself having dynamic properties, changing to respond to the user etc i liked it better when the jedi were a religion with beliefs that may or may not have been necessarily true and a lot of what they did and how they presented themselves was just a matter of tradition

[QUOTE=The Jack;51684087] That said, A uzi, Galil, MP7, mp5, m60, SA80... There's a lot of stuff that'd be relevant to modern audiences and look cool if you slapped some stuff on it and called it a blaster. (SA80 is my favourite here, it'd look so good as a blaster)[/QUOTE] Some of the blasters in TFA were based on newer weapons then WW2. The Resistance rifle is modified from a G36, their side arm is a SIG-Sauer P226 [url]http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/Star_Wars:_The_Sequel_Trilogy[/url]

I'm moreso dissapointed by how lightsaber color is determined by state in the force. I just thought it was cooler that the sith usually had synthetic red crystals because they were so rare, and how some stories implemented kyber crystals in cool ways in eu

[QUOTE=Tuskin;51684306]Some of the blasters in TFA were based on newer weapons then WW2. The Resistance rifle is modified from a G36, their side arm is a SIG-Sauer P226 [url]http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/Star_Wars:_The_Sequel_Trilogy[/url][/QUOTE] The G36 is a bad choice. It's already a go-to gun if you want futuristic looking weapons. But more importantly for The OT, you could kinda see some of the weapons underneath, here someone's hidden the entire gun under plastic. The SIG and Glock don't look great either. I don't think modern semi-auto pistols lend themselves well to blasters, which is why the OT used interesting early designs like mausers or stripped down sub machineguns. A revolver could work (Rey's blaster looks pretty good in comparison) A lot of these look just way too toy like. The capitalist in me commends the move, the purist wishes the blasters looked more gun-like. The first order rifle would be perfect if it was gun-metal.

I always disliked having crystals as part of lightsabers in general, old eu and new. Too much new age bullshit I don't like associated with things.

[QUOTE=Pax;51684412]I always disliked having crystals as part of lightsabers in general, old eu and new. Too much new age bullshit I don't like associated with things.[/QUOTE] Star Wars did come out in the 70s

one thing that i don't know if it has already been discussed or not, is how in Rogue One, Donnie Yen casually mentions that kyber crystals are at the heart of stars. which in turn means that, despite being dramatically more powerful than the Death Star(s), Starkiller Base relies on the same source of energy, just in far larger quantities

[QUOTE=dnqboy;51684624]one thing that i don't know if it has already been discussed or not, is how in Rogue One, Donnie Yen casually mentions that kyber crystals are at the heart of stars. which in turn means that, despite being dramatically more powerful than the Death Star(s), Starkiller Base relies on the same source of energy, just in far larger quantities[/QUOTE] Makes sense, since SKB is a giant death star, it would need larger proportions.

One of the new books mentions the empire strip mined Ilum for kyber crystals Makes me wonder why they were [sp]mining Jeddah[/sp], did already use them all?

Destroying [sp]Jeddah[/sp] was a noob move. There's good resources there.

[QUOTE=Tuskin;51684652]One of the new books mentions the empire strip mined Ilum for kyber crystals Makes me wonder why they were [sp]mining Jeddah[/sp], did already use them all?[/QUOTE] Probably wouldn't hurt to have a surplus, not to mention if they hoarded all the crystals it would prevent anyone else from attempting to build another Death Star type weapon.

Perhaps [sp]the other projects titled on Scarif utilized the kyber crystals.[/sp]

I think the most interesting questions about the saber crystals are. What do the colors actually mean and how are they attuned. Blue Green Yellow Green Yellow Are all colors we've seen, subtracting purple because SLJ's favorite color is purple and Lucas let him have it.

[QUOTE=dnqboy;51684624]one thing that i don't know if it has already been discussed or not, is how in Rogue One, Donnie Yen casually mentions that kyber crystals are at the heart of stars. which in turn means that, despite being dramatically more powerful than the Death Star(s), Starkiller Base relies on the same source of energy, just in far larger quantities[/QUOTE] I interpreted his line, "The strongest stars have hearts of kyber" was him referring more to lightsabers, I didn't think he literally meant stars had kyber in them, I could be wrong, though.

[QUOTE=RG4ORDR;51684770]I think the most interesting questions about the saber crystals are. What do the colors actually mean and how are they attuned. Blue Green Yellow Green Yellow Are all colors we've seen, subtracting purple because SLJ's favorite color is purple and Lucas let him have it.[/QUOTE] Well, it used to.mean shit like guardian, scholar, consular and so on. In the new canon, blue is probably the purest, which actually makes an even better explanation for luke having a green saber in rotj besides blue not working in the sky.

White is probably the purest. [editline]17th January 2017[/editline] someone is trying to convince me that Poe was flirting with Finn in TFA

[QUOTE=Tuskin;51684941]White is probably the purest. [editline]17th January 2017[/editline] someone is trying to convince me that Poe was flirting with Finn in TFA[/QUOTE] Some people are trying hard to ship Poe and Finn or Chirrut and Baze.

Absolutely ignoring anything in legends. My guesses: Purple: Character has an iron will/closed mind/is stuborn. From what I got from Mace windu Blue/green. No clue. Like there's literally an exception to every rule I can think of. Greens seem to be more dynamic than more traditional blues, but anakin was a monster. Greens maybe used the force more than physicality to solve issues, but Asoka was a devil with the blade. Green-yellow: There's nothing obvious. Yellow: Impartial, maybe. This idea that one group of the order has all the yellow crystals and all uses the same style of lightsaber suggests that they're just given a mass-made lightsaber and they've got a personal one somewhere else, someone else, not the individual user, makes them yellow. White/pale: patience will give you the answer. On the other hand, this might not have anything at all to do with the person, maybe it's as arbitrary as star signs and being born in the year of the rabbit. Maybe it's down to what you were feeling just at the time of using the crystal, not who you are as a whole. I'd like it if sith used more colours than red, even if they just used near-red colours (oranges/purples)

[QUOTE=Tuskin;51684941]White is probably the purest. [editline]17th January 2017[/editline] someone is trying to convince me that Poe was flirting with Finn in TFA[/QUOTE] Are white sabers canon? IIRC only person to use one was Corran Horn. Also, Poe/Finn won't happen, they already added two gay characters to episode 8.

Ahsoka uses white sabers in rebels

[QUOTE=Pops;51685055]Are white sabers canon? IIRC only person to use one was Corran Horn. [/QUOTE] Ahsoka.