Star Wars Megathread Episode IV: A New Thread: UNTAGGED SPOILERS? 1 WEEK BAN - Film, Television and Music

[QUOTE=Bread_Baron;52514095]Snoke [sp]looks extremely human, a lot more so than any alien race we've seen. Maybe we were fed a red herring about his origins?[/sp][/QUOTE] Snoke's origins are fairly obvious, to be honest. He was concocted by Pablo Hidalgo to compensate for the fact that the Skywalker Saga ended conclusively in 1983, and Disney needed some rubbish excuse for a plot to milk the franchise with a superfluous "sequel" trilogy, instead of simply making Anthology films.

[QUOTE=Lord Exor;52519873]He was concocted by Pablo Hidalgo [/QUOTE] Pablo doesn't have the power you think he does. The Story Group doesn't create new things, they're just the fact checkers, and continuity police. And even then they're don't have absolute veto power, if something makes sense for the story it will be made.

Well, then J.J. Abrams was lamentably granted too much creative latitude. [sp]Oh I see, how cute. Snoke's Harvey Dent aesthetic is meant to evoke a certain duality in the Force. *yawn*[/sp]

[QUOTE=Lord Exor;52519902] [sp]Oh I see, how cute. Snoke's Harvey Dent aesthetic is meant to evoke a certain duality in the Force. *yawn*[/sp][/QUOTE] Nothing like that has ever been said.

No? Snoke's interest in Ben Solo was based upon this concept. "It is where you are from. What you are made of. The dark side—and the light. The finest sculptor cannot fashion a masterpiece from poor materials. He must have something pure, something strong, something unbreakable, with which to work." There's a flagrant Janus motif going on with Snoke's design, with the disfigurement localized to the left side of his body. Of course, this is speculation, but I'm going to venture an educated guess that the right side of his body represents serenity and purity, while the left symbolizes darkness and corruption.

Yeah they're talking about Kylo, not Snoke. I find it unlikely Snoke is meant to represent that at all. [editline]29th July 2017[/editline] There are still two more movies coming, going to wait to see what they actually do with the character before judging.

And I find it unlikely that they'd be so shortsighted as to make Snoke a simple retread of Darth Sidious. If they're intelligent--and I may be giving them too much credit, I admit--they'll reach for a more nuanced approach to the relationship between light and dark, rather than the Manichean philosophy that governed the conflict of the previous story arc. They should do [I]something [/I]to differentiate this pointless trilogy from the others.

[QUOTE=Lord Exor;52519936]And I find it unlikely that they'd be so shortsighted as to make Snoke a simple retread of Darth Sidious.[/QUOTE] I agree.

Since Luke is now essentially the Jedi equivalent of Batman emotionally, maybe they'll have Snoke flip a coin to determine the fate of his opponents.

What? How is Luke anything like Batman?

He's edgy, grim, Aunt and Uncle were murdered, and his new Jedi academy was destroyed, along with all of his young initiates. And now, he's up against Two-Face.

I'm just not seeing any of these comparisons. They make no sense.

You don't see how Snoke is Two-Face?

Physically, well yeah. but you could say that about any character with half their face disfigured.

[QUOTE=Lord Exor;52520019]He's edgy, grim, Aunt and Uncle were murdered, and his new Jedi academy was destroyed, along with all of his young initiates. And now, he's up against Two-Face.[/QUOTE] Here we see someone trying to draw comparisons between character from two completely different franchises while being ignorant of the problems in said comparison. Problem one is that he is using characters from franchise A, who we have only seen 1/3 of the story so far and is too early to make a proper judgement of said character development yet. Problem two comes from him lacking the basic understanding of the characters from franchise B.

Hahaha, how about this then. Why are you anticipating these movies? [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Why post?" - Gurant))[/highlight] [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Why post?" - Gurant))[/highlight]

[QUOTE=Lord Exor;52520210]Hahaha, how about this then. Why are you anticipating these movies?[/QUOTE] You got me. I have been a fan ever since I was a kid and I'm interested in how things are gonna go. Is this your gotcha moment you were hoping for?

[QUOTE=Lord Exor;52520019]He's edgy, grim, Aunt and Uncle were murdered, and his new Jedi academy was destroyed, along with all of his young initiates. And now, he's up against Two-Face.[/QUOTE] Batman is pretty much always successful and in control most of the time. Luke's life has been pretty much failure after failure with the occasional giant success. Batman is edgy as fuck all the time no matter what. Luke is edgy because his life dream fell apart and he fucked up. He was a pretty happy go lucky guy before that.

[QUOTE=Lord Exor;52519873]Snoke's origins are fairly obvious, to be honest. He was concocted by Pablo Hidalgo to compensate for the fact that the Skywalker Saga ended conclusively in 1983, and Disney needed some rubbish excuse for a plot to milk the franchise with a superfluous "sequel" trilogy, instead of simply making Anthology films.[/QUOTE] I meant in universe origins. [editline]29th July 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=Lord Exor;52520210]Hahaha, how about this then. Why are you anticipating these movies?[/QUOTE] Why are you in this thread?

[QUOTE=Lord Exor;52520210]Hahaha, how about this then. Why are you anticipating these movies?[/QUOTE] Because it is Star Wars.

[QUOTE=Tuskin;52520071]I'm just not seeing any of these comparisons. They make no sense.[/QUOTE] holy shit this whole exchange is hilarious

Is anybody else kind of happy with how much very early Star Wars history was simplified by nuking the EU? For example, humanity used to have just kind of showed up, and was only theorized as descending from one of two warring species on prehistoric Coruscant... but now it's pretty solid that humans were the only native sapient species on Coruscant before expanding throughout the galaxy. It gets rid of a lot of the unnecessary fluff that the EU had.

So far there's been nothing to make me say nuking the EU wasn't a good idea. Most of the good stuff is being brought back and the bad stories are either gone completely or changed drastically.

I've simply stopped caring about the Legends divide and pretty much treat it all as one canon still (beyond the obvious diversions like the differing post-ROTJ timelines). I'm too invested and intrigued by Legends characters and events to let them go, so I just see it all as a single Star Wars universe with different story intrepetations.

[QUOTE=Drewsko;52522412]I just see it all as a single Star Wars universe with different story intrepetations.[/QUOTE] That is how Legends was initially intended to be, but as time has gone on I've found that I'm much more interested in seeing what kind of truly unified narrative can be achieved between the films, comics, books, and video games working closely together in a way that the franchise hasn't ever seen before.

So there is an upcoming book about Luke Skywalker that is a collection of in-universe myths/legends. I wonder if any of them will reference a EU story :v:

[QUOTE=Flicky;52522425]That is how Legends was initially intended to be, but as time has gone on I've found that I'm much more interested in seeing what kind of truly unified narrative can be achieved between the films, comics, books, and video games working closely together in a way that the franchise hasn't ever seen before.[/QUOTE] I've been impressed by that too, but what aches me the most about new EU is probably just how much it still has to grow. I loved the wealth of stories Legends gave us for each era, giving context before and after each film as well as thousands of years before them, and even a century after. So far the new canon is mostly just new stories in the OT era, with a smattering of stuff in the 30 years before TFA and the era of the Old Republic's fall. It probably just needs some more years to grow, but it just feels so small in comparison. It's not as epic and expansive Maybe that's the problem I get when my favorite era was that of the KOTOR games.

They'll probably move backwards once they fill out the 30 year gap more. Clone Wars and Rebels established a Mandalorian war that 1000 years before the Clone Wars, I'd like to see that covered. Plus there was a Sith War around there as well.

I'm sure we'll see much, much more expanded after the sequel trilogy finishes

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