Star Wars Megathread Episode IV: A New Thread: UNTAGGED SPOILERS? 1 WEEK BAN - Film, Television and Music

The design itself is arrow-shaped, just like every Star Destroyer that preceded it. The only distinguishing features are its mass, its prominent bow, and hue. It makes sense that Palpatine would want to differentiate himself from others. I agree about the superweapon arms race, but I feel like the [I]Eclipse[/I] wasn't nearly as egregious because of its power being lesser than that of the Death Star, and derived from the same technology.

I like the idea of palpatine having his own literal flying fortress of a ship, but isn't that kind of what the death star is?

I don't think Palpatine cares about exorbitant military spending or redundancy.

[QUOTE=Dazzgrace;52537678]I like the idea of palpatine having his own literal flying fortress of a ship, but isn't that kind of what the death star is?[/QUOTE] I think in the first Death Star he wasn't living in it, plus it's more of a bigass weapon

[QUOTE=VenomousBeetle;52537827]I think in the first Death Star he wasn't living in it, plus it's more of a bigass weapon[/QUOTE] It was fully equipped with throne room just like the second one and he was meant to move there after it was fully tested. Then Rebels blew it the fuck up.

Those basted terrorists

[QUOTE=Damjen;52538213]It was fully equipped with throne room just like the second one and he was meant to move there after it was fully tested. Then Rebels blew it the fuck up.[/QUOTE] Man, imagine that. The Emperor is making a state visit to your planet in his mobile capital world, which also can just blow up your planet if you displease him.

I miss when he had Force storms.

I'm glad palpatine isn't wildly powerful as he was in legends. I get he's supposed to be one of the best sithlords in history, but the amount of shit he could do it was almost a miracle that luke was able to fight him

[QUOTE=Lord Exor;52537825]I don't think Palpatine cares about exorbitant military spending or redundancy.[/QUOTE] That's part of the reason he dissolves the senate after the Death Star is complete; all they were doing was hindering his efforts to expand the military and have complete control over galactic resources. Once the Death Star was finished, Palpatine didn't need democracy to claim resources, he had the threat that if you didn't give the Empire what it needed you could be removed from the equation. And then it got blown up and the Empire was thrown into turmoil because it didn't have a senate OR a murder ball.

Ah, I was wondering this was ever going to come up [url]http://movieweb.com/star-wars-marvel-comic-rogue-one-crossover-jedha/[/url] Luke is going to be visiting, what is left of, Jedah in the main line comic series. It was a 'holy' city about the force after all, makes sense.

one thing i did like about the eu was luke exploring old force stuff, they were fun stories and usually fleshed the history out

Exploring this stuff helps explain how Luke knew how to move objects with the force in ESB.

[QUOTE=Dazzgrace;52539331]I'm glad palpatine isn't wildly powerful as he was in legends. I get he's supposed to be one of the best sithlords in history, but the amount of shit he could do it was almost a miracle that luke was able to fight him[/QUOTE] Luke [I]wasn't[/I] able to fight him. While I understand what you're saying, Palpatine's death in ROTJ still remains baffling even with nothing but canon to use as reference. This is the guy that can Force choke people from lightyears away (TCW), keep them suspended in the air and sufficiently choked while casually strolling around (TCW), defy gravity by temporarily suspending himself in the air (TCW), fall hundreds of feet without suffering a scratch (TCW and this is also an ability displayed by most trained Force wielders), flip and twirl around in a way that would make an Olympic athlete envious (ROTS and TCW), and wield lightsabers in a way unparalleled by anyone but the best of the best (ROTS and TCW). You're telling me that he couldn't simply choke Vader or physically overpower him in the same way he overpowered Savage Opress in "The Lawless?" I get that some sources attempt to reconcile this by explaining that Sidious was consumed by rage in that moment and didn't think rationally, but either way, his Force feats in both Legends and canon exceed what he displays in ROTJ.

He was also like ~20 years older And the Dark Side isn't exactly kind to your body.

That didn't stop Dooku or Yoda; Dooku was also 83 around the time of [I]Revenge of the Sith[/I], which is close to Palpatine's age at the time of [I]Return of the Jedi[/I]. After a certain point, I don't think age really becomes a factor to sufficiently skilled Force wielders.

I think as George Lucas filmed it at the time, Palpatine was not nearly as powerful as he was made to be in TCW. I believe this is less a matter of some crazy fluke on luke's part and more a matter of wanting to portray the Emperor as more interesting, versatile and powerful in a newer cartoon series. Don't look into it too much lol

[QUOTE=Lord Exor;52542553]Luke [I]wasn't[/I] able to fight him. While I understand what you're saying, Palpatine's death in ROTJ still remains baffling even with nothing but canon to use as reference. This is the guy that can Force choke people from lightyears away (TCW), keep them suspended in the air and sufficiently choked while casually strolling around (TCW), defy gravity by temporarily suspending himself in the air (TCW), fall hundreds of feet without suffering a scratch (TCW and this is also an ability displayed by most trained Force wielders), flip and twirl around in a way that would make an Olympic athlete envious (ROTS and TCW), and wield lightsabers in a way unparalleled by anyone but the best of the best (ROTS and TCW). You're telling me that he couldn't simply choke Vader or physically overpower him in the same way he overpowered Savage Opress in "The Lawless?" I get that some sources attempt to reconcile this by explaining that Sidious was consumed by rage in that moment and didn't think rationally, but either way, his Force feats in both Legends and canon exceed what he displays in ROTJ.[/QUOTE] palpatine could have easily overthrown vader, to the point where his suit was made vulnerable to force lighting. but palpatine was caught off guard by vader because at this point he's always been his servant who does his bidding, and he didn't expect him to turn to his son's side

[QUOTE=Lord Exor;52542553]Luke [I]wasn't[/I] able to fight him. While I understand what you're saying, Palpatine's death in ROTJ still remains baffling even with nothing but canon to use as reference. This is the guy that can Force choke people from lightyears away (TCW), keep them suspended in the air and sufficiently choked while casually strolling around (TCW), defy gravity by temporarily suspending himself in the air (TCW), fall hundreds of feet without suffering a scratch (TCW and this is also an ability displayed by most trained Force wielders), flip and twirl around in a way that would make an Olympic athlete envious (ROTS and TCW), and wield lightsabers in a way unparalleled by anyone but the best of the best (ROTS and TCW). You're telling me that he couldn't simply choke Vader or physically overpower him in the same way he overpowered Savage Opress in "The Lawless?" I get that some sources attempt to reconcile this by explaining that Sidious was consumed by rage in that moment and didn't think rationally, but either way, his Force feats in both Legends and canon exceed what he displays in ROTJ.[/QUOTE] Like Dazz is getting at, I chalk his death up to pure shock and confusion. He probably didn't even really grasp what was happening until it was too late.

[QUOTE=Lord Exor;52542588]That didn't stop Dooku or Yoda; Dooku was also 83 around the time of [I]Revenge of the Sith[/I], which is close to Palpatine's age at the time of [I]Return of the Jedi[/I]. After a certain point, I don't think age really becomes a factor to sufficiently skilled Force wielders.[/QUOTE] I believe he was talking about the dark side specifically taking its toll on ones body, besides Dooku became a sith very late in his life while palpetine was a sith most of his life so Dooku wouldn't show similar symptoms for many years IMO.

Dooku also wasnt as immersed in the dark side as palpatine was

The canonical nature of Palpatine's deformation is ambiguous as far as I know, unless new information has come to light in a DK visual dictionary I haven't read. If the dark side is indeed the cause--which was the original intent before 2005--and it has been ravaging his physical frame, I still don't believe it would impact his ability to fight and wield the Force as he did 20 years prior. Sidious, even in his eighties, didn't appear too concerned with age or natural death, although he, of course, desired to rule forever by discovering the secret to immortality. Also keep in mind his usage of a cane was purely theatrical for the purposes of feigning weakness.

[QUOTE=Dazzgrace;52542900]Dooku also wasnt as immersed in the dark side as palpatine was[/QUOTE] Dooku was a respectable man throughout most of his life, being a Jedi Master who thought the Jedi had lost their way, then continuing his family's legacy as a Count on Serenno. As he aged he wanted more power, but not quite total power, and found that the dark side could be a means to the end of his own personal interests while helping Palpatine along the way. Palpatine, on the other hand, saw the dark side as both the means AND the end. By completely immersing himself in dark side practices and perfecting his craft as a Dark Lord of the Sith, he ultimately weaseled his way into a perfect position to reign over the entire galaxy for what would have been as long a he wanted if not for a fluke (heh) in the Force. It's no wonder Palpatine ended up looking like a California Raisin while Dooku was still a suave old guy.

[QUOTE=Lord Exor;52542588]That didn't stop Dooku or Yoda; Dooku was also 83 around the time of [I]Revenge of the Sith[/I], which is close to Palpatine's age at the time of [I]Return of the Jedi[/I]. After a certain point, I don't think age really becomes a factor to sufficiently skilled Force wielders.[/QUOTE] You know what Dooku and Palpatine have in common? They both got pwned by Anakin.

James Arnold Taylor (Obi-Wan in Clone Wars) has a series on youtube where he interviews actors from Clone Wars, it is pretty cool [url]https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLR8Z_ujaHS7nbIrayCxHB1yUE6yvc5svk[/url]

I'm watching through the 2003 Clone Wars right now and I completely forgot Taylor voiced Obi-Wan in that too

[url]http://imgur.com/a/zuZ4u[/url] TLJ A-Wing Toy images

[QUOTE=Tuskin;52545433][url]http://imgur.com/a/zuZ4u[/url] TLJ A-Wing Toy images[/QUOTE] I don't really like the idea of them just using the same ship designs again with some updates. The Prequel movies were great with their variety of ships, with them all being actually different from the OT. I know they're iconic designs but it feels a bit lazy. So far with the majority of the designs in the new new era, it doesn't feel different enough. With the transition from the Clone Wars era to the Empire there were obvious similarities in designs but they didn't just take something and change it just a little. Here though the Stormtroopers, Star Destroyers, Tie fighters, X-wings, A-wings, even the rifles Stormtroopers use all feel far too close to what there was before even though there's more of an in-universe time difference than there was between the prequels and OT.

[QUOTE=nightlord;52547593]I really don't like the idea of them just using the same ship designs again with some updates. The Prequel movies were great with their variety of ships, with them all being actually different from the OT.[/QUOTE] In this case I understand, because these ships were iconic to the overthrowing of the Empire and it makes sense to keep them around with the New Republic from both a morale and image standpoint. To many people, especially those who fought with the Rebellion, the image of an X-Wing flying overhead symbolizes hope and support, and the New Republic wants to keep that perception. Clearly designs have been changing; the Resistance bomber looks like a beefier offshoot of the B-Wing design, which makes sense given Y-Wings were already outdated by the time of the Rebellion era; X-Wings have an underside gun for use in ground combat and potentially for getting enemies off their tails. Plus, the X-Wings used by the Resistance aren't even the newest models; they fly T-70's while the newest is the T-85.

I'm fine with the new ships, but I do wish we had more unique looking ships with callbacks/similarities to older ships