Star Wars Megathread Episode IV: A New Thread: UNTAGGED SPOILERS? 1 WEEK BAN - Film, Television and Music

[QUOTE=Cor Angars;52639512][sp]Oh god TLJ is going to be nothing but a ESB remake isn't it? I was optimistic there for a while but now my hopes are gone again.[/sp][/QUOTE] [Sp]As someone who read the leaks: stop spreading this ESB bullshit. References does not a remake make, unless you think PT is a remake of OT.[/sp]

[QUOTE=Cor Angars;52639512][sp]Oh god TLJ is going to be nothing but a ESB remake isn't it?[/sp][/QUOTE] No. [sp]I'm thinking the X-Wing is there just to show how far Luke has gone to abandon his past[/sp]

[QUOTE=Damjen;52640238][Sp]As someone who read the leaks: stop spreading this ESB bullshit. References does not a remake make, unless you think PT is a remake of OT.[/sp][/QUOTE] After Episode 7 you have to admit there is a strong precedent to believe it may turn out that way.

[video=youtube;JtigV-biVGg]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JtigV-biVGg[/video]

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;52640536]After Episode 7 you have to admit there is a strong precedent to believe it may turn out that way.[/QUOTE] I don't care what people believe about this movie. I care about facts. And they paint a different picture.

Very minor spoilers from the leaks, just where in the movie the battle of Crait takes place [sp]The battle of Crait is near the end of the movie, either the last act or the act before it[/sp]

[QUOTE=Tuskin;52640659]Very minor spoilers from the leaks, just where in the movie the battle of Crait takes place [sp]The battle of Crait is near the end of the movie, either the last act or the act before it[/sp][/QUOTE] Actual major spoilers [Sp]Assault on The First Order HQ (aka The Supremacy) is actual final act, with Finn's part of the story being about infiltrating it, Crait is middle act.[/sp]

[QUOTE=Blueleaf;52640581][video=youtube;JtigV-biVGg]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JtigV-biVGg[/video][/QUOTE] I've lost the ability to be excited about anything related to Star Wars Rebels, unfortunately. I'll watch the fourth season only to see where they are taking Thrawn and for any eventual surprises from the part of the writers

[QUOTE=EliaMoroes;52641358]I've lost the ability to be excited about anything related to Star Wars Rebels, unfortunately. [/QUOTE] Why? Season 3 was amazing.

I was disappointed we didn't get a reveal of Ian McDiarmid as Darth Sidious.

[QUOTE=Tuskin;52641451]Why? Season 3 was amazing.[/QUOTE] Because at this point Rebels is a show trying to be two different things at the same time: 1) In Disney's continued effort into making Star Wars a children fenomenon of sort, so they can expand their audience significantly and (let's not kid ourselves) make more profit from the franchise, Rebels is clearly a kids' show: it aires on a typical kids' channel (Disney XD), the humor featured is very low key and the sort only children can fully enjoy, there are plenty of kids appeal characters (Hondo and Azmorigan are the most blatant expample), there are plenty of fillers episodes getting absolutely nowhere and the main villains are never, ever presented as a credible threat unless the writers feel the need to shock the young audience. 2) At the same time, Rebels is an attempt from Disney to cater towards the older Star Wars fans who are knowledgeable about the old Expanded Universe and maybe watched The Clone Wars too. The new series can be seen as a very soft sequel to the latter and the writers make a point about introducing as many characters from the original trilogy, the EU and the Clone Wars as possible. The problem here is that you can't have the two things together. It simply doesn't work. One one hand, I'm not what you'd call a Star Wars nerd, but I really apprecciate the use of the characters from the old EU and the Clone Wars (a series I loved), but I'm consistently put off by the far greater kids' show getto elements of the series, to the point that the majority of the episodes bore me to death at best and irritate me at worst. On the other hand, good luck explaining a kid from today whothat character is or what they mean when they talk about the Clone Wars or the old Republic. Also, let's not forget how incredibly [I]misleading[/I] the trailers from the last season were. Do you remember the great character arc concerning Ezra and the Sith holocron trying to seduce him into the dark side? Do you remember the great role Maul was going to have as Ezra's corruptor and secondary antagonist? Yeah, me neither.

Those Expanded Universe and Clone Wars references are all Dave Filoni and his team. Disney has nothing to do with it outside of distribution. Only thing Disney should take the blame for is putting it on their channel. Dave loved that show, blame him. [QUOTE=EliaMoroes;52643055]good luck explaining a kid from today whothat character is or what they mean when they talk about the Clone Wars or the old Republic. [/QUOTE] How would that be hard? There is plenty of material out there.

[QUOTE=Wii60;52638205][url]http://i.imgur.com/umviPA0.png[/url] [sp]THICC ATAT[/sp][/QUOTE] Going back to this, you can (possibly) spot [sp]those AT-AT's in the trailer[/sp] (image from reddit) [url]https://i.redd.it/rz2ogj04xojz.png[/url]

i wonder if they've supercharged them with something, like how they modified TIEs

They're supercharged with Phlebotinum of course.

The FO TIE Fighters are new ships, even if they look like the original designs. There are some (minor) physical differences and major technological differences, they are more advanced. But its hard to tell from that poster if those AT-ATs are any different.

I wouldn't mind seeing the FO using leftovers from the Empire. Makes sense given the kind of faction they are.

I really love this design [t]http://www.figures.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/DSCN9032.jpg[/t]

[QUOTE=Tuskin;52644685]I really love this design [t]http://www.figures.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/DSCN9032.jpg[/t][/QUOTE] still love how people went crazy over that recycled packaging art and thought TLJ would have a new death star :v:

I dislike how everything in the new trilogy looks exactly like the technology from the OT. Sure, it wouldn't have advanced that far - but I would be happy with something that wasn't an X-Wing or a reversed-color TIE. I dunno, it's kind of expected.

We've already seen a couple new designs in released TLJ material. [editline]4th September 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=revan740;52646837]I dislike how everything in the new trilogy looks exactly like the technology from the OT.[/QUOTE] The Resistance has a legit lore excuse (the same excuse the Rebellion had in the OT), the First Order not so much.

[QUOTE=revan740;52646837]I dislike how everything in the new trilogy looks exactly like the technology from the OT. Sure, it wouldn't have advanced that far - but I would be happy with something that wasn't an X-Wing or a reversed-color TIE. I dunno, it's kind of expected.[/QUOTE] People can shit on the prequels as much as they want, at least they had some really good ship designs that showed us the evolution of technology until the OT. Stuff like the jedi fighters and V-Wings inspired the A-Wing Actual armored B-Wing that got stripped down by the rebellion The Eta 2, V-Wings and Sith infiltrator inspired the TIEs The ARC 170 is a beefier X-Wing; Hell even the Twilight takes elements from the B-Wing. And all that in 19 years (even less since the rebels fighters are actually quite old). That shit was cool. I was so disappointed that ep 7 used slightly modified X-Wings vs recollored TIEs 30 years after the OT. Even more so when I saw the new A-wings. They could have done so much.

[QUOTE=revan740;52646837]I dislike how everything in the new trilogy looks exactly like the technology from the OT. Sure, it wouldn't have advanced that far - but I would be happy with something that wasn't an X-Wing or a reversed-color TIE. I dunno, it's kind of expected.[/QUOTE] The Resistance using slightly newer X-Wings doesn't bother me that much because it's a proven design and even in the Expanded Universe they were using upgraded versions of X-Wings long after the Battle of Endor. What drove me crazy about the ship design in TFA was that the Resistance had [I]only[/I] X-Wings. What happened to the A-Wings and B-Wings? Both of those ships, the B-Wing especially, were the new hotness so there's no reason they shouldn't have shown up in some capacity. Or hell, make up new ships. The art book is filled with concept designs for potential Resistance fighters and instead they went with the most lazy approach of using only X-Wings. Even the original Star Wars movie had both X-Wings and Y-Wings in it. But what really gets me is that the First Order is re-using the original TIE Fighter design. Unlike the X-Wing, that's [I]not[/I] a proven or especially successful design. Interceptors were already basically TIE Fighters but better, so there's no reason to think that 20 years later their standard fighter wouldn't take cues from it or other lower profile fighters. Or hell, maybe they would have learned their lesson that quantity doesn't work that well and instead have built something more like a TIE Advanced or TIE Defender to match Republic/Reistance fighters. Hell, if the First Order was just using literal left over TIE Fighters it wouldn't bother me so much. It'd make sense considering what I thought the First Order was (i.e., Imperial remnants fighting a guerrilla war against the Republic), but then they have the resources to build a literal star eating planet sized doomsday weapon so fuck anything interesting that the First Order could have been. So yeah. Instead of an improved or new design with the enormous R&D and production capabilities they have, they decide to build [B]new[/B] TIE Fighters that look like shitty old TIE Fighters. It's just so much wasted potential.

The resistance using old equipment makes sense. they're not an officially funded organization. Their X-Wings are 30 years old. Who knows how old their A-Wings are. They do get a new bomber design in TLJ. But that is probably old as well. [QUOTE=Why485;52647857]Or hell, maybe they would have learned their lesson that quantity doesn't work that well [/QUOTE] They did learn, the FO TIE Fighters have shields and other advancements. FO doesn't treat their pilots as cannon fodder like the Empire did. The only problem with the FO TIEs is the re-use of the old design.

Don't the first order ties have shielding? That's like, a lot of the advantage those other ties had over the original.

[QUOTE=Why485;52647857]The Resistance using slightly newer X-Wings doesn't bother me that much because it's a proven design and even in the Expanded Universe they were using upgraded versions of X-Wings long after the Battle of Endor. What drove me crazy about the ship design in TFA was that the Resistance had [I]only[/I] X-Wings. What happened to the A-Wings and B-Wings? Both of those ships, the B-Wing especially, were the new hotness so there's no reason they shouldn't have shown up in some capacity. Or hell, make up new ships. The art book is filled with concept designs for potential Resistance fighters and instead they went with the most lazy approach of using only X-Wings. Even the original Star Wars movie had both X-Wings and Y-Wings in it. But what really gets me is that the First Order is re-using the original TIE Fighter design. Unlike the X-Wing, that's [I]not[/I] a proven or especially successful design. Interceptors were already basically TIE Fighters but better, so there's no reason to think that 20 years later their standard fighter wouldn't take cues from it or other lower profile fighters. Or hell, maybe they would have learned their lesson that quantity doesn't work that well and instead have built something more like a TIE Advanced or TIE Defender to match Republic/Reistance fighters. Hell, if the First Order was just using literal left over TIE Fighters it wouldn't bother me so much. It'd make sense considering what I thought the First Order was (i.e., Imperial remnants fighting a guerrilla war against the Republic), but then they have the resources to build a literal star eating planet sized doomsday weapon so fuck anything interesting that the First Order could have been. So yeah. Instead of an improved or new design with the enormous R&D and production capabilities they have, they decide to build [B]new[/B] TIE Fighters that look like shitty old TIE Fighters. It's just so much wasted potential.[/QUOTE] First Order is using (directly or by inspiration) the old designs for propaganda reasons. There are many people and even entire planets that are nostalgic about the Empire. It might seem weird to you but just look at the cult Stalin has to this day in Russia.

A large amount of the First Order and their backers are essentially in-universe Imperial fanboys and apologists. It makes sense that their faction's design ethos would take heavy influence from beloved past Imperial designs. Worth mentioning that the FO appears to be focused more on quality over quantity in general - they can't spam out ships on the same level as the Empire, but they make up for it by including all the features the older Imperials designs cheaped out on and having greater overall firepower and survivability.

EW has a interview with Dave Filoni about the new season of Rebels [url]http://ew.com/tv/2017/09/02/star-wars-rebels-final-season-trailer/[/url]

Not sure if this has been posted already: [URL="https://milnersblog.files.wordpress.com/2017/09/poe-dameron-and-the-dreadnought.jpg"]A shot of Poe's X-Wing from TLJ (slightly spoilery, nothing that hasn't been shown already).[/URL] Pizza dreadnought looks a lot better from this angle.

[QUOTE=Blueleaf;52649644]Not sure if this has been posted already: [URL="https://milnersblog.files.wordpress.com/2017/09/poe-dameron-and-the-dreadnought.jpg"]A shot of Poe's X-Wing from TLJ (slightly spoilery, nothing that hasn't been shown already).[/URL] Pizza dreadnought looks a lot better from this angle.[/QUOTE] Damn, what is that huge'ass thing he's facing? Edit: Googled, looks pretty cool