TF2 Random Critical Hits: A Fair and Balanced Discussion
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It's my understanding that even in past threads with the same topic of discussion people actually took time to answer to your arguments rationally and respectfully.
Your response to said behaviour was to start spitting out these moronic "rebuttal" questions you are now famous for which you use as a convenient way to, in your own opinion, win a debate you should by all means lose, in the measure that the person you ask them to is left baffled ("Why the hell he's asking me a question instead of answering the one I just asked him?") and you have a convenient way, or so you think, to claim victory in the whole argument ("He's not answering the question I just asked and is insulting me because he has no arguments in favor of his opinion").
At one point people started recognizing this behaviour or so and decided, rightfully so, that trying to discuss any topic whatsoever with you is pretty much useless, hence why they gave up on having a rational and civilized discussion with you ever again and started, again rightfully so, mocking you. Especially since, so I'm told, they had such discussion with you before and everything of note they had to say to rebutt your arguments has already been said ad nauseam.
Again, you are using their justified behaviour towards you to claim victory about the whole topic of discussion in this thread ("They are making fun of me because they can't or won't defend their opinion in a reational debate, so I won").
So please, don't go around trying to shove Arthur Schopenhauer's philosophy about rational debates like you were some big, smart Web debater.
You are just a self-intitled, dumb Inter discussions small fry who can't argue his "points" for shit. You aren't the first and most certainly won't be the last I'll ever have the "pleasure" of witnessing
What you are saying is not any new info, I have been told it repeatedly. It is my understanding that what you have described is not true.
Now what is your desire? Do you want to discuss this? Do you just want to make accusations?
please close the thread we will never get out of this perpetual shitshow
Translation: "People are indirectly calling me out on my utter bullshit; somebody call the WAAAAAAMBULANCE".
The thing about ad hominem, ASIC, is that while it's a logical fallacy in argumentation, these people aren't arguing.
They're making observations and judgements about your lacl of training in rhetoric, and anti-intellectual approach to this whole matter.
The point of discourse and a marketplace of ideas, is for information to be brought forth, and for it's merits or flaws to be judged.
This has already taken place ad infinitum for this particular subject. It makes one wonder why you continue to struggle on as if that wasn't the case.
You don't know everything. And as observed objectively by others, especially the people you quoted, not very much. So stop arguing into eternity without broadening your worldview or internalizing new information, as if you do.
No, then this discussion will move back to General. This thread is good just as it is. Let them brawl in here.
Allow me to teach you something. Here is an observation and judgement:
You told me to broaden my worldview and internalize new information. I was already doing that. That is one of the things that asking questions does.
You speak of a marketplace of ideas, and that information should have its merits and flaws judged.
So now, consider this:
Various people, like you, accused me of things. I asked them for proof of what they said, so I could hear them out. So to see if what they said had any merit. They did not give any proof.
What information am I supposed to gain from that?
That maybe, somehow, in some realm of possibility, your ideas might be in some way wrong.
I understand if that is a difficult concept to wrap your head around. But perhaps there's a reason all these people are disagreeing with you constantly?
A reason other than "they're all ad hominem idiots who are automatically wrong"?
Just a little theory, anyway.
Are you going out of your way to proove everything I said about you or something?
The reason they disagree with me is because they think I am wrong. This does not necessarily mean I am wrong.
If you want to bring up reason and the like, then I have some questions I want all of you guys to answer. They are not difficult questions to wrap your heads around.
I do not understand what you are trying to say.
Why do they think you're wrong?
They think I am wrong because they believe something different from what I believe, and they also believe that they are correct.
Yes, but why would they believe, and continue believing that?
I think the answer to that depends upon the person.
Psychopath posted:
It's like with each post he's fishing for a random crit in hopes of winning the argument that he has no hopes of success for.
I've had more productive conversations with literal children while working as a camp counselor since they were asking questions out of a genuine interest in learning why things are the way they are than ASIC has in the past half year of what's essentially shitposting and ignoring everyone that doesn't pat him on the back like a big boy who has learned to use the potty.
Remember that this shit kicked off because of posts this gem:
ASIC posted:
Why can't you have random crits in comp?
The lack of simple understanding is baffling.
ASIC, honey, googling logical fallacies and high school philosophy classes is not a good look on you.
Like I said in an earlier post, I am going to ask a question. It is one that is highly relevant to this. I don't know if you have thought about it (or if you haven't), but either way you have not really mentioned it in that post.
You said there are a lot of people making accusations here. At least some of them would like me to believe the accusations, like you for instance.
So the big question is: why should I believe the accusations made against me?
As before it is an open question, not just aimed at you.
They aren't "accusations", ASIC. If you had an iota of self-awareness you'd understand the things we say are all because of things you say.
This is the type of unhealthy thinking we should be trying to avoid on newer players...
https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/2419998257294965229/32BD80E90C58752B30651CC30680FCCB3E5EB318/
Where they rely more on getting random crits for kills... Then getting better at the game and not requiring them in the first place... =/
The word 'accusation' is defined as "a statement that someone has done something wrong". You guys are stating that I have done something wrong. You guys are making accusations.
you haven't proven yourself right either, nor debunked the accusations made agaisnt you or your your statements to be true, nor right, nor justified. not a single statement made by you, if any, has been backed up by anything but deflection.
you have yet to answer, and prove that random critical hits(and the subsequent deaths caused by them) are a good element to the game, with a proper statement backed by any kind of actual evidence. wich also leads to the accusations of you overextending this debate artificially for the sake of your own amusement.
The question still holds:
Why should I believe what you people say?
Stop asking questions.
I have several questions for you, due to some things you have said.
You said that I haven't debunked the accusations against me.
So here is the first, when a person is accused of doing something wrong are they:
Innocent until proven guilty?
Guilty until proven Innocent?
Write in option.
As before this is an open question.
Is everyone elsedeveloping some kind of headhace here?
Why do you refuse to answer a question that is so simple?
To asic:
Because, in your comical misunderstanding of the Socratic method, any answers we give are met with further questions, to which you still manage to give untenable and unadressable suppositions and we're tired of it.
The saddest thing is that you do not realize how much of a fool this entire thread had cemented you as being.
To everyone else:
Then again, it is exactly characteristic of people suffering from the dunning-kruger effect to believe they're the lone intellectual in a sea of ignorant buffoons. Beset on all sides by wrongness and fallacy, that they feel the need to inform the perpetrators of as the didact of wisdom they are.
Although i have actually never had someone tell me i haven't provided any evidence for my claims after I've summarized essentially a decade of debate for the third time in a thread.
That might suggest something a little beyond dunning-kruger...
Do you want me to believe your accusations?
sorry to burst your bubble but that ain't a new player. not only they never actually share their thoughts but they aren't gonna use voicecomms either. and that's a little too generic of a name.
This doesn't really show that it is a real problem. It's only one example, and it isn't a good one as we don't know the context to what happened there.
The player's name is pablo.gonzales.2005.
This could be a "meme name", the idea that latin americans put their full name and date of birth as the username is one that is present in the public consciousness.
He says "no random crit this game is shit". However it is unclear what he means by that. It could be complaining that the server is no-crit. It could be joking complaint that he didn't get a random crit, when he would have liked one. It could be a serious complaint as well.
The complaint rhymes, so it does lend some credence to the idea that he is joking.
It is possible that the guy is joking.
10 minutes of my morning has been wasted because someone doesn't want to admit they're wrong despite being told and criticized multiple times.
Fuck this thread, someone tell me if he bothers to listen because this is ridiculous and childish.
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