TF2 Random Critical Hits: A Fair and Balanced Discussion
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I still don't understand why it's fair that if two perfect scouts meet up in a 1v1, the other one can just insta-frag the other without any additional input.
Because being TECHNICALLY fair on a gamewide scale means that individual encounters of unfairness don't matter apparently.
"It's easier to estimate crit chance on melee" because players have to assume that every hit will be a crit unless the weapon doesn't get them to begin with. When something has a 3/5 chance of landing a crit vs. about a 1/8 chance it's a lot easier to predict.
If the TF Team insists on keeping random crits, I should hope that they create a new default cvar that makes it so getting a random crit (even if it doesn't hit anybody) clears the % chance to the limit of when you haven't dealt damage in 20 seconds - which is to say 60% chance for melees and 4.5% for the rest. It's idiotic that someone can manage to get an actually-random crit, then pull their melee out and get 60% chance to crit again, then because of how much damage they dealt the 60% chance doesn't stop.
Because in asic's insane troll logic, they both have a chance to do so.
If you believe that is flawed, then you should be able to explain the issue it has.
One other key tenant of fair play is the ability to reproduce results. If you take both players' inputs and play them back like it were a cassette, you should expect the exact same outcome every single time. Even random bullet spread and random damage spread would give mostly identical results because of how minute of a difference they make in manners that don't break any meaningful damage thresholds. Random crits do not play nice with this criteria.
You are thinking along the wrong lines. It isn't about effort applied, it's about the chance of winning.
Since your example is a mirror matchup, this thing I said earlier applies here.
Yes, that is pretty much correct. If you were to only take a specific part of the game, it could be unfair without the whole game being unfair.
An example of this would be if you flip a "perfect" coin to see who gets to use the white side in chess. Even if chess is an unfair game, this would be fair. Flipping the coin removes any unfairness.
they are good, because salt fuels my continued existence
It sounds like you would enjoy reading this thread.
Honest question: do you have autism or some kind of obsessive disorder?
You don't appear interested in talking about the topic of the thread. You have been in this thread for 2 months, and have spent almost all of your posts flinging shit at me, and almost none talking about the point of this thread. You even made a separate thread to insult me in.
theres no point on trying to talk to you anyway so whats the point
im just conveying all the emotions that people had who had a "discussion" with you
also i could turn it around, do you have autism or some kind of obsessive disorder because all you ever do is saying "why why why why why why" and "random crits are balanced"
If there is no point in trying to talk, then you should stop doing it.
Also, no, you are not going to be able to turn it around.
You said I do that stuff all the time. Which (if taken literally) is 100% of the time. Let's actually look at my posts this thread:
https://forum.facepunch.com/search/?thread=732471&user=238427&type=Reply
I only used the word "why" in about 32% of my posts:
https://forum.facepunch.com/search/?thread=732471&user=238427&type=Reply&q=why
I used the word "balance" in about 4% of my posts:
https://forum.facepunch.com/search/?thread=732471&user=238427&type=Reply&q=balance
So there is a rather significant difference from what you said I do, in comparison to what I actually do.
At this point, he probably just ignores any argument on purpose, the discussion of the discussion itself was just more shitflinging and pretty much 19-20 pages of bullshit ensued between this post and the OP.
I am genuinely starting to believe hes just trolling at this point, because (IIRC)at plenty of points he has outright ignored arguments and resorted to latch on to less relevant arguments and proceeds to drag them out and forget the ones he knows he would lose.
There were more than 20 posters in this thread. I can not feasibly respond to every person or every post.
i guess youre right
why bother with a crit-bot lol
crit are bad.
Psychological projection is a theory in psychology in which humans defend themselves against their own unconscious impulses or qualities (both positive and negative) by denying their existence in themselves while attributing them to others...
If him having random crits as his background and appearing anytime types the words random crits in general chat isn't an indication then I don't know what is.
Almost, everything in that post you quoted applies to you.
Now, you clearly are not interested in talking about the topic of the thread and you are not being forced to come here. So why are you here?
i think you can make a better comeback other than "I am rubber, you are glue" response
How my quote applies to this situation going completely over your head, complete with a *woosh* sound effect, even further drives the point home.
Also, do you say that same strawman fabrication about your detractors being unexplainable bullies to you, to all of them?
Yes, clearly noble asic is surrounded on all sides by enemies who exist solely to attack him, and clearly have never made pages and pages of past arguments which totally haven't been conveniently ignored for the sake of anyone's argument.
That would leave the thread basically over, in which the only thing left to do is call people on their bull.
That would be utterly absurd.
If the way your wikipedia quote applies to the situation is so obvious, then why can't you explain how it applies?
I didn't call anyone a bully. I did not say that everyone is barely talking about crits. I did not say that everyone spends most of their time insulting me. I only said things like that in regards to a few people. Like how I said that most of your posts insult me or accuse me of something.
Also, that statement about your posts is not a fabrication. I can prove that it is true. Would you like me to?
Just stop Replying to him, let this dumpster fire of a thread die.
People would, but then he'd just shove his way back into General Chat; leading to an even bigger dumpster fire.
on an unrelated note, I'd PM you this but I can't, your avatar is great and the new archspire album is the shit
That's not really an accurate statement.
Sure, the crit discussion can lead to flame wars. But I am not the one flaming, and their actions are not my fault. I am not bringing up sensitive topics like politics, religion, or other social issues. I'm not forcing them to insult me, or to even respond to me. They choose to do that.
I am not going to be the one brings the crit topic back into general thread. Other people would do that.
In fact people brought up crits in the general chat, even while this thread was active. Here is an example of that:
https://files.facepunch.com/forum/upload/238427/aeb3ded4-5e57-4fdf-87f8-1c2804b84846/Capture.PNG
how blind you are to see nobody cares about you if you dont even care about them
Guys, I hate to feed this thread once again myself, but.
It's pretty clear at this point that ASIC isn't going to bring new arguments to the table, isn't going to change, isn't going to stop.
So why keep answering him in the first place again and again, especially if you all want this thread to die off for good anyway?
Hey, I've got an interest idea for a game all of us can take part in.
NO POSTS ASIDE FROM ASIC'S PAST THIS LINE
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