This was fun to watch, just some classic CTF
https://youtu.be/BWRI-Dvaz2E
I’m extremely doubtful an ODST would sell out his squad to insurrectionists, especially after they executed a squad mate.
I haven’t read the book either, but from everything I’ve read about the situation, none of it really adds up.
You guys need to read the book before making judgements. On paper it's shit ideas but it's actually written really well.
That may be, but the principle that it happened in a book is the sin here.
I don't think being an ODST has anything to do with it, it all boils down to personal motivations. All it takes to be an ODST is being fucking insane and having balls of steel, that's by and large unrelated to stuff like political beliefs. Theoretically, based on no specific character, if someone joined the UNSC because they value in a united humanity and another guy joined because he didn't have anywhere else to go, I would imagine those two people would have very different reactions to seeing/learning things that would make them question their allegiance to the UNSC or the legitimacy of the Insurrection.
Theoretically.
I dunno. From reading the earlier books, the ODSTs struck me as much more hardcore than the rank and file Marines in the UNSC, that they are kind of troopers that are genuinely dedicated to the cause.
Granted, it’s been forever since I’ve read The Fall of Reach, and the canonicity of that book is kind of up in the air, so the attitudes conveyed in that book might be outdated.
I just dislike the whole situation
The cause, saving humanity? Fighting for survival? Sure. That's a pretty cut and dry thing to fight for; I know the Insurrection didn't completely stop during the war but the Covenant threat was enough to seriously suppress most rebel activity. The rest lingered I think due to (well-founded) mistrust of the UNSC, such as people who initially thought it was a big misinformation campaign to distract from the rebellions.
Once the war ended though and humanity had come out on top, with the UNSC returning to the same old shit with the rebels? Different scenario. The lines become blurred once perspectives change to account for the vanishing threat of genocide and the issue returns to "are they justified in exacting totalitarian control over us" with an added helping of alien contact, resentment at (perceived) inadequate protection, revelations of war crimes and/or ethical catastrophes carried out by the UNSC, and no change in the government's attitude since before the war to spice up the situation.
I don't like some of the things they've done with the story since 343 took over, but I do think nuance like that is important and shouldn't be avoided for the sake of keeping one character in line with the other heroes. The series under Bungie always seemed so unambiguously pro-UNSC even though it makes explicitly clear how awful some of the things they do are, and every time I have this discussion with people it feels like a lot of people forget that or didn't pay attention.
I would LOVE to have a game based around the Insurrection or even those earlier human space wars mentioned in lore, I feel like there must be a Microsoft mandate in place where humans can never be the enemies in a Halo game.
Well, funnily enough ODST did have that one NMPB enemy, and the audio logs were pretty keen about showing how shitty some people could be.
I mean more in a broader sense of human on human conflict than more literal "humans cant be bad"
Again, I’ll probably have to dig up my copy of Fall of Reach, but the ODSTs encountered early on were joined up well before the Human-Covenant War and the general attitude they gave off was very pro-UNSC, and generals line Ambrose (I think?) really cultivated that mentality in the ranks. Of course, when that war kicked off, you’re right, priorities change so guys like Mickey were probably put off by killing rebels. But still, they’re an elite force, not unlike the SEALs or SAS, so while they can have doubts about the mission, I’m less confident that they’d actually sell out to the guys who are killing their brothers in arms, no matter how badly the rebels are being treated under the UNSC.
The more I read into the situation, yes I suppose they did develop everything pretty well, but it still leaves a sour taste in my mouth.
But I still haven’t read the book, so I’ll leave off since I won’t have all the details.
the UNSC are kinda like the republic in star wars, the soldiers are heroes and you wanna root for them but the government is kind of a pile of shit
Mickey is one of the younger ODSTs, born on the 20th of October, 2530. In the year 2531, the last serious conflict between the UNSC and Insurgency occurred, along with the events of Halo Wars, meaning that the UNSC had lost the majority of their fleet and been in open conflict with the Covenant for nearly a decade, and three years later the Cole Protocol was enacted, and the UNSC had lost enough resources that they were rushing the training of new recruits - including ODSTs.
Seeing as Mickey turned 22 on the day the events of ODST began, the guy's been through a fair bit of shit and was now being expected to kill the same humans he had just years prior been fighting for under orders from a corrupt and immoral military government. I think it would have been more surprising if Mickey didn't snap, honestly. It's a fucked up situation he was in and even Buck knew he wasn't truly defecting.
343i seem to have writers that genuinely believe in "Fuck the old guard".
They have to fuck with everything. From retconning the entire timeline to include incredibly dumb shit like Flood poodles and completely ruining the relationship between Forerunner and Humans.
They even do it to themselves. "We introduced this super important antagonist in the side stories" and then they kill him off with no fanfare in the FIRST MISSION OF HALO 5.
Forerunners and Humans were confirmed to be separate species by the IRIS ARG, and the Halo 3 Terminals state the same thing. "Flood Poodles" drama is overblown.
Kind of funny how we've just gone from "wtf why did 343 kill the rookie in a book" to "wtf why did 343 kill jul in a game". Jul 'Mdama was a boring as shit character leading a boring Covenant knock-off with no redeeming traits that set them apart from any other faction. The only downside to Jul's death and the Storm Covenant's defeat is that in the next game 343 will have to pull a new not-Covenant faction out of their ass for us to fight in Infinite, and it's probably going to be the Servants of the Abiding Truth, who are a knock-off of the knock-off Covenant.
How is flood poodles overblown.
They made it so ancient humans made the modern flood by PUTTING IT ON THEIR FUCKING POODLES. THIS IS A THING THAT HAPPENED.
It felt like they were building a lot of shit up through Halo 4, Spartan Ops, the comics and books, and the advertising - and then 5 just hastily tosses it all out to focus on Locke trying to take the torch from Master Chief and turning Cortana into a corrupted yandere supervillain. It wrecks of fanfiction and hasty rewrites like i've been saying for the past couple years. When even 4 still felt like a sequel compared to 5 throwing a bunch of shit in together with little rhyme or reason but trying to act like it's all epic and cool, you know there's a problem. Shit, elements of what they seemingly wanted to do previously still existed with the Flood test tanks within Blue Team's first level, something that nothing or no one in the game draws any attention to whatsoever.
People are even spreading rumors and scapegoat factors lately of blaming the guy that came in and implemented the squad system as the one that fucked up the story, though I have never really seen any proof of that.
1) That's not necessarily what "relationship between Forerunners and Humans" means. Prior to the Greg Bear books the indication was that humans were a promising young species favored by the Forerunners to eventually inherit the Mantle. Now it's... humans are also ancient and had a super-advanced civilization just like the Forerunners (this totally makes sense, I mean, look at the fossil recor- oh, wait) but the Forerunners hated them (but not enough to stop them from still giving us the genetic keys to the kingdom, and also implanting coded imperatives to invent specific major technologies, because I guess we're not capable of that).
2) They're not mutually exclusive complaints, you're just reducing them into something brief so you can make fun of them. They're both poorly executed, for different reasons. The thing with Rookie was a protagonist's death shunted off to a background event in a novel meant in part to generate interest for Halo 5. The thing with Jul is that they had been working him up to be something serious and then he's unceremoniously killed off in the first mission of a game to demonstrate how cool the new protagonist squad is. They sweep his character out of the way so that the writers can advance to the next plot thread they're spinning out of their ass.
The Pheru weren't poodles. They didn't even have fur until the mutations began, centuries after the discovery of Precursor ships.
The powder used on the Pheru was the result of the Precursors' form of stasis: deconstructing their bodies for later reassembling. The powder worked by binding itself to key points in its subjects genes, each successive generation becoming more and more under the control of these mutations. The Forerunner Trilogy implies that the Primordial was responsible for guiding the changes that took place, eventually morphing the assimilated powder into the Flood parasite, with the Pheru as the first hosts.
Any contact with the powder was going to lead to who/whatever came into contact with it or their descendants would be the first hosts for the Flood. That's what the powder does.
as someone who stopped playing after Reach can i just say how amazingly fucking dumb this all sounds
That's because it is. When 343i took over they went back and retconned literally everything immediately. Like, as soon as they fucking got it which blows my mind. It is like there were a bunch of Bungie employees just waiting, waiting till the old guard left to literally redo their entire established backstory, and redesign everything.
I could probably rant for a good while at how stupid half of the visual changes are.
I used to love Halo but these days I can't be bothered to even look in the general direction of it. At least 343 will never be able to retcon my childhood.
I'm optimistic about Infinite. they seem to be taking in fan feedback, at least on the art style.
people like to latch onto the new Spartan designs but i think the Marines probably got it the worst out of anyone in the new games
https://www.halopedia.org/images/6/65/H4-UNSCMarine-ScanRender.png
how do you make a 3D model look embarrassed
at least H2A's designs range from passable to great though
The Marines in the Infinite trailer looked like they were based off the Reach Army troops.
What messes up the marines for me (since Reach) is adding contemporary military bits onto them. It's in an effort I think to humanize the soldiers, but they're space marines. Whole-heartedly based off of the troopers from Aliens. Make it all plates and bits that don't make sense. It's a comic book space future, stop trying to make everything gritty, realistic, and functional.
it's atrocious on the H4/H5 marines but it's not terrible in concept, it's just that it adds modern military bits onto a fundamentally bad and goofy-looking design so it looks like one of those fucking "next-gen warfighter!!!!" mockups from the mid-2000s
https://youtu.be/ynacIJU2h_w
To be faie the dudes in Reach were UNSCDF Army troopers so it made sense for them to look more gritty and weathered unlike the Marines who operate under different doctrines and with support from the Navy.
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