• Super Smash Bros. V8 - Everyone is here! Except that one character you like.
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You guys talk about Tekken characters in smash, but what about a much more memorable character from a sister franchise? Voldo, creeps onto the battle! And is also a echo fighter of Waluigi.
I hope we do get a reveal this weekend. Oh who am I kidding Nintendo don't give a shit about EVO
Yeah, I wouldn't get your hopes up for any sort of reveal at a tournament. They always save 'em for Directs.
No, it'd be on Sunday at some time around Melee so nobody misses it and everyone gets excited, and that being Melee finals wouldn't necessarily mean they can't have something Ultimate related. I didn't even know there was an exhibition match because I was focused on other games being run.
Still hoping for a trailer where Wario summons Waluigi from an assist trophy and KOs whoever he's fighting, only for him to turn around and kill Wario as he becomes a new fighter. Won't happen but man I want it.
Or, trailer starts with the camera angled high, someone summoning assist trophy after assist trophy, giving a little montage of almost all of them, before panning back down to show who's summoning them all... WALUIGI BREAKS FREE!
https://twitter.com/theSirToasty/status/1025979915332739073
Should instead be: WALUIGI SHATTERS EXPECTATIONS!
WALUIGI WAAAHNTS TO FUCKING BE IN SMASH
This post understates just how angry this match made everybody. From what I've seen on Smashboards on r/smashbros, the community is divided between hating the players for choosing Bayonetta and screwing around in the finals, the audience for daring to stand up and leave during a boring matchup, the Smash 4 higher-ups (whatever the heck they're called) for failing to ban Bayonetta earlier, and Smash 4 itself for enabling something like this to happen. Also saw a post about how ironic it is that the Smash community works hard to allow Smash at EVO, only for the finalists to make a mockery of everything and for the audience to just abandon it. At times like this, I'm super glad that I view Smash from a casual (albeit still fiercely passionate) perspective. Character speculation and easter egg discussion are extremely fun, but it just seems to stressful to follow the series competitively.
I just want the damn Cracker Launcher back. As well as the Barrel Cannon, Cloaking Device, and the fanfanfanfanfanfanfanfanfanfanfanfanfanfanfanfanfanfanfanfanfanfanfanfanfanfanfanfanfanfanfanfanfanfanfan 573% 574% 575% 576% 577% 578% 579% 580% 581%
i can understand people walking out because of the bayo ditto, but booing ppl for picking her is embarrassing. however people are 100% justified in how mad they are about that awful disrespectful grand final. homie stocks? stalling for 2 fuckin minutes?? in a GRAND FINAL? awful. the ref shouldn't have to come out and tell you to play the fuckin game. those 2 honestly should have been disqualified
in other fighting games clear display of fucking around and not giving a fuck is usually a sign of collusion can lead to disqualification if its clear enough
I always expected someone would eventually do something like this. Just get to a grand final and then absolutely not take it seriously at all. I... won't comment on what I think, considered I'm a dedicated casual myself and barely pay attention to these things anyway. One thing I will say is that I'd almost be surprised that it didn't happen with a Melee event first since it's been around for longer, if not for the fact that good luck to anyone trying to actually get anywhere close to the finals in a Melee event when it's this large and therefore all the usual suspects are present to make the final bracket the same as any other major Melee finals. Is it really disrespectful to either player when both of them are screwing around? From what I read on SmashWiki stuff like the "homie stocks" (that's a new one, we've always just called it "making it fair" in my group) were out of sportsmanship since the players were friends and didn't want it to be decided on an anti-climax like an accidental self-destruct; they were essentially playing it like their friendly matches.
hoping Nintendo sees EVO and nerf bayo and cloud before Smash U because I cannot handle bayo's stupidly good air game or cloud's limits (and general strength), I know it's a casual game but nothing is fun nor casual about these 2
Well Cloud already got those Limit Break nerfs and after Plup vs MkLeo I imagine Bayo is gonna get nerfed into the ground
Remember, Sakurai shook his head when he saw the Bayonetta bullshit. He very well knows.
It's just sad that this is the last Evo Smash 4 will be at, and this is how they treat grand finals. We get it, you're friends and you're a kid with "something to prove", but the Melee players are gonna come out this evening and play like it's the last tournament they will ever play in, and create one hell of a show. If we want Ultimate to stick around and be present at Evo, then you have to show up and make a show. You aren't playing for yourself, you're playing for like 50-100k viewers no matter what you think.
bayo is such a boring character to watch i appreciate they spiced things up a bit with a little bit of friendly shenanigans
it's disrespectful to everyone involved to start fucking around in the grand finals at a prestigious event like EVO. people paid a lot to sit in the crowd, let alone participate; they not only fucked over the crowd by making them have to watch that shitshow, they spat in the faces of all the players who worked hard to get there. you can't just start playing it like a friendly match when u have 50k+ people watching you. they stalled the match for 2 mins, forcing the commentators to have to try and make things interesting. it made a mockery of the whole tournament this kind of stuff would be unacceptable in the losers bracket, let alone the grand finals
Was the Gamecube controller the only way to play Smash 4 with the lowest input latency? I'm just wondering if I should preorder the Ultimate controller port and controller in case they run out and I'm stuck without the best way to play. (on a tv, I know attached joycons would be responsive)
"Stop booing me like I care." Wow. That's such a heel thing to say.
My full thoughts on the situation since I didn't have time to provide them earlier (if anybody cares): -The players behaved poorly and should've fought to the best of their abilities, friendship notwithstanding. Any other pair of players would've done that, for the sake of Smash's reputation and the entertainment of viewers. -It's the Smash 4 community's fault that there finale was a Bayonetta mirror match. If they would've just agreed to ban her to prevent the meta from getting stale, the situation never would've happened. I can't blame people for using the best option available. -I support audience members' decision to walk away when it became clear that the players were going to act like morons. -I wouldn't be surprised if EVO decided to minimize Smash's presence next time around (restricting it to either only Melee or only Ultimate, for example), nor would I really be able to argue against it. -The Smash community looks overall worse as a result of it. The finalists turned the grand finals into a sham, people who supported Smash 4 at EVO are seen as responsible for eating up time with something so nonsensical, and the community at large will only continue to eat itself like an ouroboros. -Anyone who wanted Bayonetta to get cut from Ultimate because she's OP in Smash 4 is incredibly reactionary and can only think in extremes. Smash is first and foremost a celebration of Nintendo and its allies/competitors, and Bayonetta deserves her spot. Sakurai should most certainly nerf her to make her more viable to play against, but it would make zero sense for him to cut a cool and popular (in general) character because one subset of players whined about it. Reminds me of back in 2013 where someone on Smashboards seriously wondered if Sakurai would cut Meta Knight because he was strong in Brawl.
Wow, looks like I missed one hell of a shitshow last night, huh? Not like Smash needed that kind of image. Nice job, jackasses.
Well, I mean, they made it to the grand finals. They traveled to the event, paid the entry fee, played to win and beat all the other players who were doing the same, all the way up to the top of the bracket... and then decided to goof off once they got to each other. Seems completely by the book to me - isn't the whole point of competitive play "the winners dictate where things head, and if you're not happy with that then you should've won instead"? They eliminated everyone who would've defeated them had they goofed off at the time, but once the remaining two decide to goof off together, isn't that their prerogative? They're there to win, and so long as they do so and did it by the rules, that's what matters. I mean, since when did pleasing an audience or considering other players' work ever factor into the playing part of comp? Did you as a professional eAthlete legitimately win the tournament you legitimately entered? Then you did the job you were paid to do, and now your payment is the prize money and that's the extent of your involvement in the competition itself. Were you eliminated? Then you're out of the tournament and that's the extent of your involvement. Either way, what's on the books in competition is W or L. I dunno, that's how comp players have always told me this whole thing works.
it's not "by the book" to intentionally stall the game for several minutes to spite the crowd. just because they got to the top spot doesn't mean they get to spit in everyones' faces and start playing on their phones or something. like kirbunny said, they made the grand finals of a gigantic tournament into a fucking sham. they're at a professional tournament, not their college dorm just because you made it to the finals doesn't mean you have a right to waste everyone's time and they shouldn't have gotten yellow cards in the first place. "they stopped fucking around when somebody told them to!" i should fucking hope so!
The thing is that you go there to compete. Meet with friends, talk with fans, maybe endorse your sponsor if you have one, sure. But if you're playing, people are paying to watch you, and people are paying to put you in, and people are paying to keep you around. This is a case where the individual players are basically signing onto the fighting game tournament palooza, for a series that is only kept on the roster for legacy and entertainment value, and while you may gain fame and so forth in the gaming community for a win, you still have to respect your audience and respect the people working there. Goofing off, intentionally stalling for two minutes straight, and wasting people's time and so forth while kind of being dicks about it just because you're 1v1ing your friend is, without any real gray area about it in this case, disrespecting everyone else. The rules are rules, it's only why they got away with it in the first place instead of both of them being outright disqualified, but they affected the community, insulted everyone they'd beaten to get there (especially given that Bayonetta is so widely loathed even by parts of the casual community that people immediately started walking out because they knew she would dominate), and affected both the bottom line and reputation for EVO as well as gave the community yet another reason to throw Smash 4 off of future line-ups at EVO.
I'm going to take that line of thought to its logical conclusion and state that it's okay for Trump to act like a buffoon and throw Starbrusts at Angela Merkel, since he won the 2016 election, it's his prerogative, and Clinton should've just worked harder if she had a problem with it. Except that's not how this works. Sure, the players have a lot of free will when it comes to gameplay. But there's an expectation of mutual professionalism and respect that wasn't upheld. Literally anybody else would've been immensely grateful to play on such a large stage and experience something so massive and important to so many people. Meanwhile, these brats just sat there and did...nothing. For two minutes. They treated EVO like a joke and made the entire Smash community look bad. Smash is probably my favorite game series of all time, but if that's how the two grand finalists wanted to act, I would've rather had Clayfighter 63 1/3 on that stage instead of Smash 4. It's not just about playing a video game. It's about actually participating and making it possible for everyone to enjoy the match. Why else would they even stream tournaments? If it was only about the players' enjoyment, then tournament organizers could save a lot of production money. They would just need to host a tournament in a garage and then tweet the winner's name after the fact.
There is "goofing around" and there is "disrespecting tens of thousands of watchers". I've seen some big rivals being cheeky with one another in tourneys but they usually ended up going all out. Hell, I just watched GG REV2 and the Losers Final and the match before had Lost Souls and his opponents laugh it out and congratulating each other. A huge ass difference from the two fucks from yesterday. And the Grand Final, while 3-0, was still fucking hype. Especially when Omito would get hit. He still styled on winning, he even taunted mid-air at some point. But they still respected each other and gave the audience one hell of a show. That's what people want. The strongest players going to the best of their abilities fighting for the 1st place. Not two idiots stalling for 2 MINUTES and then flipping off the audience. That's highly disrespectful with a big disregard to sportsmanship. Because, yes, telling the audience to fuck off is a big lack of sportmanship as they are part of the reason Smash, both Melee and 4, are still at EVO. No demand, no supply. No audience, no major comp scene. They're just as much of a part of the tournament as the players. Yes. You get paid to go for gold. But if you go there thinking you can goof off as much as they did on a GRAND FINAL of all places then you deserve all the hate of fans and have the sponsors bail on your ass for bad publicity after that sick ass middle finger. Good job. EVO is a THE big competition of the year. It's not only a tournament, its a spectacle. A show of strength of mind and body. There's a reason there is a "Most Hyped Moments" lists. That's what people come to see. Those clutch moments, the comebacks, the underdogs, etc. Not two cumsacks wasting everyone's time and stalling what should be a fight against the strongest fighters that fought their way up. They gave a bad image of Smash in front of thousands of viewers, solidifying the already crappy image other people think of the series being at EVO. Fantastic job but wait! Not only did they do so, they also probably are the last Grand Finalists of Sm4sh at EVO. What a great send off, am I right? Top notch. In short, they deserved to be shunned upon.
How big were they even before this shitstorm?
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