UNDERTALE/DELTARUNE Megathread V.7 - Don't Forget (about the game)
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huh she reminds me of a certain female character who was the flavor of the previous month i can't quite put my finger on her... someone with much less depth but bigger assets.
Mean girl plus quiet guy is a popular trope I'd think.
Here's a theory (vague spoilers)
With the whole thing about the closet room filled with cards, checkers, and other elements from the Dark World story, it seems like it was all make-believe. But Suzie says multiple times that she really went on an adventure. So someone probably created the Dark World as an illusion for a purpose.
To add to that, you -the player- is using Kris as a vessel, you're controlling him and you don't have the choice to go for a genocide route. You're forced to succeed by making peace. Your choices don't matter.
In the real world Kris' clothes look like Chara's clothes and he's a bad kid. But in the Dark World he's wearing Frisk's shirt as a scarf and is conditioned to have a peaceful approach, again, because of the player's actions.
So I think someone orchestrated the whole thing and is using you (the player) and the Dark World (some magic illusion spell) to try and prevent Kris from turning into a murdering machine. But Kris wants no part of it, and it probably wasn't the first time he got possessed like that.
At the start of Deltarune you have to prevent your own party member from attacking enemies. I think in a later chapter we'll have to prevent ourselves from murdering characters real world...
As to who made those decisions... I think Toriel and Sans are in on this. Sans says they've already met. He might have skipped timeline to warn Toriel about the destructive potential of her son (also Kris is an anagram for Risk). Toriel is a teacher at the school and could easily have set up the room, the spell, and hid Alphy's chalk. Why else would Kris' halloween costume be at the school?
I, for one, want a piece of delicious pie.
nu-asriel is literally the cutest fucking thing in the world oh my fucking god
https://files.facepunch.com/forum/upload/58028/464b898e-df11-4681-957d-ed11dd4da5d3/Ralsei.jpg
JUST LOOK AT HIM
I figured it would make sense that I contribute a lil bit so here you go
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Post it all
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There is something about bad girls that's charming, that's for sure. (b-baka…)
https://files.catbox.moe/w6f3ku.mp4
apparently the double speed bug is actually tied to your monitors refresh rate so if you have a 144hz monitor you're basically fucked, thank god i didn't play full screen
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w5p7WDk9hnQ
I'm starting to think that Rasiel and Susie were written as some kind of parody of a true pacifist and genocide run player respectively
This is the first chapter of a full game. How much trouble did you have against Papyrus? That's the reference you should be going by.
There is however a superboss that you can fight by finding three keys who is a significant difficulty spike.
The whole timeline is messing with my head, how does it even begin to make sense with how UT's events go?
Time traveling Sans puts makes things make a little more sense, but still. Are the events set before or after UT?
1 'The war of humans and monsters' that forced monsters underground happened before most of the characters we know even existed, yet we are told Asriel is out and about, and going to college which I guess would make him older than in UT's events.
2 Toriel and Asgore seem to be already divorced, or at the cusp of it. But in UT it's stated they fell apart because of deaths of Chara and Asriel. Furthermore Sans and Toriel got together when they left the underground so the scenario that they're overground and mad at each other never happened in UT's timeline.
3 Alphys had not met Toriel prior to UT's ending, which is a wee bit unlikely if they had lived in the same small town and Alphys been a teacher for Toriel's kids, but not impossible I guess. Alphys doesn't seem to be together with Undyne either.
4 Undyne was trained by Asgore to be a royal guard from a young age. Now she's a police officer though and there's no royal guard in sight? Dreemurr family being monarchs with guards and castles is pivotal in UT's events, but nowhere to be seen or mentioned in DR?
5 "The legend of Delta Rune" DR revolves around is awkwardly conflating with UT's "angel prophecy" themes and how the delta rune is supposed to be royal Dreemurr family emblem and also the prophetic angel who's Chara/Flowey/Asriel.
Every thread is so off that I think it's safe to assume DR is another timeline entirely.
My wild guess: as Gaster's theme plays at the end along with the sinister disembodied dialogue, and Gaster seems to be obsessed with darkness as well as paraller realities, the whole darkner world could be something he caused to exist.
it's comical but I don't understand this attitude. How the hell is consensual sex with someone's relative on par with murder? It hardly makes sense as revenge either since Kris is hardly guilty for the crimes by Player / Chara in another timeline
Do people really consider it an affront/insult for someone to make love with their family members? A cultural thing I don't understand?
Consider how things went in Undertale: Toriel left Asgore with disgust, and befriended Sans in the oddest of ways, entrusting him with something very heavy. People sympathize a lot with Asgore, because he really is good-hearted, but did something very bad.
Then you take into account how Deltarune seems to go, with the reason for Toriel and Asgore breaking up being much more ambiguous than back in UT. To have something like Sans saying he "befriended" your mom last night in the midst of all that is just so unexpected.
Really, it's just done in good fun after all the shipping done back in Undertale. I don't think anybody's genuinely offended, but rather just having a laugh.
DELTARUNE's universe is not UNDERTALE's universe. Toby Fox already confirmed that.
Really? Would've saved a bunch of my time to know that
Just completed first playthrough, and boy, this is probably the most wholesome game of the year for me.
To be honest I had exactly same feeling of unease during whole game, and expected a turn for darker tone at any moment, so the stinger in the ending did not catch me off-guard.
Though I was low-key expecting the twist to be Ralsei turning on you (as I'm thoroughly conditioned by numerous game plot twists to treat overly nice characters with extreme suspicion).
But it turned out to not be the case, and Ralsei instead genuinely was an adorably huggable well-meaning optimistic fuzzball. In the current sub-plot, at least.
I feel that the whole game could work without ties to undertale, though. I was disappointed by Ralsei doing surprise reveal - I liked him enough as a separate character.
On unrelated yet still spoilery note - what is this sans-tier joker boss people keep talking about? I assume it has to do with key parts of which I found second and third, but I still miss first part and the door that I could open with it. Can someone point me in the right direction without spoiling too much?
I love this dude
Susie also wants a piece of your face
Deltarune's universe is different from Undertale's so Ralsei is most definitely a new separate character rather than what some people think to be as Asriel Also that joker boss is an optional boss you can do.
I just want a quick and lazy answer to this quick and lazy question
Deltarune confirmed to be Undertale AU?
I'm merely saying that pre-reveal Ralsei > post-reveal Ralsei in my eyes.
As for optional boss, can I get non-spoily nudge in the correct direction to find it? My dodging game is not really up to par (though I completed DR pacifist route without any deaths, or even characters getting downed), but I'm in it for the plot stuff I missed.
The basement elevator has a secret floor, that should get you started in the right track.
I don't understand the ending of the DR segment before you go back to real world.
Why did Suzie and Kris just leave? We didn't seem to really even close the portal or anything. And am i right to say that the geyser Ralsei is in front of was actually the new portal that broke the balance? The intro says there is a portal at the center of the realm that gives this realm form. And that the heroes would appear on the edge of the world. Why were we even going to the other portal if we were already at the new one that was breaking the balance? I can't help but feel like ralsei wanted us to get to the original center old geyser for some other purpose then rush us out back to the light world.
The impression I got was that this geyser stuff really doesn't matter at all. Given that Ralsei seems to be Asriel in disguise, I get the impression that the entire dark world was just an illusion created by Asriel to help Kris make a friend. I had thought goatmom was behind it before due to the the symbol we see throughout the dark world, but it turns out that's actually just the Dreemur family sigil, so it would be relevant to Asriel too. But basically the geyser is a meaningless macguffin that you're not supposed to really care about. It's an excuse by our DM Asriel for us to go on an adventure.
it was merely a joke friend no need to overthink it
although wasn't it implied sans knows you're the same player from UT when you tell him its great to see him again?
What happened in the darkworld that led to the game's events are almost entirely a mystery, including the geysers. Though many characters hint to the unseen villain "knight" who was apparently so wicked and evil that it turned Lancer's dad into a merciless usurper and caused Jevil, the strongest character we know, go insane and stay locked away for his own "freedom". So there's this whole unknown cuplrit who could've done anything.
No reasons currently why that wouldn't be possible. But still I don't think the explanation is that simple. Would be one hell of an illusion for Asriel to conjure up just like that, and it'd imply darkners don't really exist. Too early to say since we're missing so many clues about darkworld's villain and the impetus for events setting in motion there. Ralsei's true motivations (and true identity) are certainly mysteries at this point.
Personally I feel Asriel/Ralsei, Kris/Frisk are different characters. UT and DR characters of the same name are technically different characters too, because history has shaped them differently. But anagram characters' differences are even broader than that. Could even be that anagram characters originate from darkworld and exist as counterparts to lightners. Still I'm more likely chalking up the name and other changes to multiverse variation.
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