TF2 General Chat & Speculation Station V16 - Everyone Hates Mundy
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I wonder if the TF Community will rip him a new one like they did with MatPat.
He made a trashy OW vs TF2 comparison and it had so much misinfo about TF2 and other stuff that various TF2bers made fun of his video due to how poorly researched it was.
IDK if this is what he's referring to but he released a (dumb) video where he claimed the Pyro's gender is female because his fingers were modeled a certain length, and at the very least I was like "nah, you're bad at this, this video sucks"
You are 100% right, and I really do wish that's how it would happen.
My point here is that he can't pretend doing something like this doesnt have consequences. I stand by him deserving whatever he gets, because he wouldn't be in that situation of he hadn't created it.
Would it be great if this was handled politely and him dismissed with no toxicity or threats or anything? Absolutely, that's the best way to go about it, and something I wish would happen.
But that isn't the world we live in, nor one he should reasonably expect. I am not going to dox him or send stink bombs to his house (see: reddit) but if he does encounter this, he has nobody blame but himself.
fun side story: Years ago, back when this video was relased i attended a con with a friend and (at the time) my GF, all three of us cosplaying as pyros. as we were standing in line to enter when some generic low life dweeb approached us and asked if we knew that "the pyro is gay, lol".
we were dazzled at the genuinely stupid smirk in his face for a moment until he crawled back to whatever hole he came from.
even to this day we remember that one dweeb that asked us if we knew about the pyro being gay and genuinely wonder what the actual fuck matpat was going on on that video and how people literally took him as "hard facts" for years to come.
title change pls
everyone hates shektchet
I get the impression sketchek greatly overestimated how famous he is (or was), has the ego of the size of a blimp, or he's simply really really young, because a normal person would've had the foresight to predict that people would get upset over faking a terminal illness (which he answered with a simple "sorry" and the promise of an apology video). Not only that but he hyped up his return using an ARG and a few videos while saying that he'll make an apology video next, when the apology video should've been the first thing he should've done.
I feel the apology video isn't going to be much, because there is simply no excuse to fake a terminal illness at all - his apology on TFTV should've been more formal and mature to begin with. Although he did apologize and admitted it was fake (which I'm sure it took a lot of mental strength to admit, half-assed or not), I get the impression that he wouldn't do an apology video were not for the community's negative reception to this situation.
Only time will tell if this comeback was even worth it or not.
I mean Reddit is mad now but they forgave MaxBox and Delfy despite their long histories of going out of their way to ruin the game. They still want Star_ back despite him insulting his fans and lashing out at other personalities for even mentioning him.
Expect him to be 100% fine after the apology video.
the fuck did MaxBox do
Ex-hacker. Hacked for literally years and was basically the spokesperson for lmaobox. He'd sell premium to people interested; he's part of why it got so popular.
I imagine it'd go like this
"Fuck you Sketchek for faking your death/terminal illness."
sketchek proceeds to make a (possible) mediocre apology video
"wtf i love sketchek now."
and then he went on to make the Spot the Hacker series, what ingenious irony
he seems to be a pretty alright fella though.
which is particularly funny because he's actually accused a good few legit players of hacking.
hacking experience does not equal an ability to gauge (or even have) legitimate skill, it turns out.
yeah, a lot of his "hacker" verdicts are extremely debatable
Using his expansive hacking knowledge to be able to do it. Granted, anybody with enough experience could but there's a novelty of "ex-hacker saying why it's obvious they're hacking" just like the concept of "ex-murderer tracking down murderers using knowledge only a murderer would have".
i just dont think sketchek really knew what would happen when he said he was ill. I think he just wanted to walk away from the notoriety. Maybe he did a really bad way of doing that, but i dont think he meant harm, he just wanted it to be a one and done thing and move on. We've all done really stupid stuff we regret, he's at least admitting to the fault.
As for how he kinda hyped up his comeback, and the action itself, it definately warrants criticism. Just make sure to leave it at that guys, and not let it turn into personalized attacks.
I think that if he were to announce that he wanted to stick to doing IRL stuff he could've just said "Hey guys I don't feel like making videos as much, so for now until whenever I'll be on an indefinite hiatus. Later." instead of having to make up a terminal illness.
There's pretty much nothing he could say to make up for what he did
he could have, but it woulda left a big backlash with alot of complaints, as we can see with star.
Of course does that say thats a worse decision than lying about being sick? No. But it seems he took the easier, less honorable route. Which is where the criticism should lie.
Again not defending him, just want us to keep in mind we havnt been in that position, and we all make stupid mistakes. Mistakes that deserved to critiqued, but still keep in mind some understanding so we aren't just villianizing him as a non human entity, least we feel we are immune to such same mistakes.
Question i think worth debating is SHOULD the axtinguisher attribute of his name be removed with this new controversy?
I feel regardless of the controversy, this attribute name shows aknowledgement to a player in the community who pushed a weapon and game's engine's to the max to perform amazing feats, and as such, those feats i think should still be remembered. But thats just like my personal opinion, its the community's call as a collective.
i'd give him that he managed to make himself even more hated than mundy.
Question, since I'm out of the loop; did this dude literally fake a terminal illness? Or was it like "yeah nah I'm gone for health reasons" kinda thing?
Because if he literally said he was dying and took advantage of the outpouring of community support despite being perfectly healthy, he's a right cunt.
I’m not supporting any cheating or hacking, but I’ve got to say, that his post-cheating videos are pretty cringy.
If he just wanted to quit, this was clearly the wrong option. But I can't imagine he did it for that reason (since there are much easier ways), or for fame or something (what would he do with the fame that wouldn't reveal he was lying?)
This is the only thing that gives me any hope for him; he better have a damn good reason
But, separating art from artist, I'm actually pretty excited for more of his videos
He faked a terminal illness. Here's the PSA talking about his "illness" if you wanna give it a watch.
man i've managed to go 22, nearly 23 whole years without lying about a terminal illness and faking my own death
poor sketchek though, such an easy mistake to make
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hard to judge when we've never been a community icon. Not defending him, just warning for us to not demonize people for dumb actions. Still a person, dont let it become personal hate attacks.
Calling anyone a "community icon" is subjective.
I'd honestly never heard of Sketchek until the whole (faked) death thing and I've been playing TF2 since '09. Still have no real clue who the hell he is. I just don't watch TF2 YouTubers. I prefer channels like AvE, BigCliveDotCom (and his brother's channel Ralfy Reviews), Alec Steele, Michaelcthulhu, This Old Tony, Peter Brown, Torbjorn Ahman, Clickspring, Binging with Babish, Alex French Guy Cooking, etc. Making things. Long form videos that I can watch while puffin' on the devil's lettuce.
pretty easy to judge actually
there are countless other major figures in the TF community- not to mention actual celebrities and not D-Tier TF2 YouTubers- who have managed to avoid lying about a terminal illness and faking their own death. this was a multi-step process, and at any step in the process he could've stopped and decided to do literally anything else.
instead, he recorded and uploaded a fucking fifteen minute video fabricating an utterly false sob story- a sob story, I might add, that he begins with "I want to be as straightforward and honest as possible"- before deleting half the shit on his channel and going dark on multiple accounts for three years.
there is no excuse for that. that is objectively shitty, and having miniscule e-celeb status- nevermind the fact that nobody knew what he sounded like until he made that video, and still nobody knows his real name or face, which means he is under no scrutiny whatsoever outside of his openly-identified accounts- does not justify it by any stretch of the imagination.
I have less than zero sympathy for someone who intentionally manipulated the emotions of people en masse and treated death like a fucking joke. None.
The thing I am kinda considering at the moment is putting myself into his shoes.
So 3 years ago or so, you - a D-List Youtuber with a following that isn't exactly large - burn out of tf2 and making videos, so you wanna quit. Let's say you are edgy, your ego is massive, or you simply lack any empathy/ aren't aware what your words mean - so you make up a shitty sob story about how you have some kind of illness, and you fuck off as planned. That's pretty fucking stupid - but perhaps you aren't aware of just how incredibly stupid you are being.
Then the entire "Ill pyro main hero" legend breaks out, and you get remembered by the entire community for a good 3 years whenever some pyro related shit happens and even the fucking game devs slap your name on the weapon you used a bunch.
So now you wanna return; You have two options. And here is where I kinda start to struggle with the overall judgement of this.
You could say you have beat whatever illness you had. Imagine the glory - The Pyro main, the legend himself, survived cancer or whatever and is back! What a story to tell, how many happy people! You'd have the majority of the community on your side; The few people which actually know the truth about it would be such a minority that they'd be written off as "Conspiracy nuts" or "haters" or whatever. You'd go on with your G-List Youtube career until you'd find another game, and all is well.
Or you could tell people the truth. Perhaps because you feel bad, perhaps you don't wanna build something ontop of a lie; Perhaps because you realize how stupid you were. Once again it comes down to that apology video, but if he is genuinely sorry and aware of his fucking mistake, I'd personally argue it would be unfair to treat him like a sack of maggots for eternity. The Axtinguisher thing has to be removed either way, but the dude has willingly came out with the truth that would taint his P-List Youtube ass for, probably ever. I kinda... doubt that his plan was to actively manipulate people into making him a "legend" with a sob story or whatever. I don't think there was active malicious intent in this, but I don't know the dude.
I'd just hope that he was just naive.
I don't think we should treat him, based on the apology video, as a scumbag forever. I'd prefer an "You fucked up massively - you played with people - but you came out straight and are aware of your faults. Learn from your mistakes and use a second chance, or perish" attitude.
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