Empires and revolutions - Historical Forum RP V2: Blame Brazil for all our problems. - Games

Explain to me about how my lack of knowledge over something that doubtlessly you all purposely withheld from my knowledge equates to me having "fucked up". Ven, face it, you're the overarching dick. You formed an alliance out of pure unfounded animosity towards me. I initiated this war as a means to regain what was mine and to allow Switzerland the right to choose its own government. You decide to be a dick and form an alliance of nations that promise to fuck up anybody that so much as looks at them the wrong way.

[QUOTE=Mr. Face;35804349]Explain to me about how my lack of knowledge over something that doubtlessly you all purposely withheld from my knowledge equates to me having "fucked up". Ven, face it, you're the overarching dick. You formed an alliance out of pure unfounded animosity towards me. I initiated this war as a means to regain what was mine and to allow Switzerland the right to choose its own government. You decide to be a dick and form an alliance of nations that promise to fuck up anybody that so much as looks at them the wrong way.[/QUOTE] "hey ven you made a bunch of nations be friends and oppose my passive-aggressive actions in europe yor just being a duck"

It doesn't matter whether or not you knew about the alliance Face. I know you're at lease pretty intelligent. You HAD to have known Seed had allies. Did you not once think about all his trading partners that surround you? No. I didn't form the alliance out of 'pure unfounded animosity' towards you. The ORIGINAL doctrine of the alliance was to be a Technological and Economic Syndicate. We were going to try to get to space before anyone else. Then it was suggested we enter into a military alliance as well just in case, so we worked that out. The name "FUCKYOUFACE" was actually suggested by Stethor. Or Seed. One of those two. So we went with it. The only thing I did with the name was laugh and say "Yes we'll use that". I didn't 'decide to be a dick' and form an alliance of nations specifically to fuck you up. I formed the alliance for a shot at world peace YOU fucked that up. You fucked up our attempt at world peace. You fucked up our attempts of Unification. Fuck, Face. STETHOR and SEED EATER are in the alliance TOGETHER. That's gotta say something. If THOSE TWO can get along then you have no legitimate reason for starting this war. That is why, and how, you fucked up. And that is why you'll pay for it.

Note: Stethor suggested the name.

[QUOTE='[Seed Eater];35804366']"hey ven you made a bunch of nations be friends and oppose my passive-aggressive actions in europe yor just being a duck"[/QUOTE] I'm more leaning towards the argument that he has been mad at me for a moot point for the last ten turns or so. And your rather immature argument that my passive-aggressiveness brought this on is hilarious because of the true aggressiveness that you and Canada have shown recently. What with your war with Portugal and your "readjustment" of Switzerland and Canada's obliteration of the United States. [editline]3rd May 2012[/editline] Okay, so explain how I can do anything about things that I have no control over Ven. Explain to me how I can possibly control the fact that you made an alliance that was formed, coincidentally, at the same time as the time that Eli, Kriegs, and I had planned to attack Seed. I knew Seed had allies, of course, I had no idea that you were going to make a union specifically geared towards something of this nature though. I must again point out that you have no business being in any way involved with this war either Ven. Follow the Monroe Doctrine.

"True Aggressiveness of Canada" haha what the fuck Ever since I took control of Canada all I've done is mop up other people's messes. I was settling the war started by NPC America vs NPC Canada when your jackass self took over America and fucked me over (Which by the way only came into consideration with my unification of North America), then all I did was mop up after the Cuban Civil War and unrest in the Caribbean. Since then my only major war has been the one with America, and that's a reunification. I freed my Confederate brother states and now I'm reunifying North America as it was under the AUFC before it's collapse. Other than that I've been completely peaceful. Working towards scientific and economic cooperation. The Bering Strait Crossing, The VESTA Project, trying to get into space.

[QUOTE=Mr. Face;35804444]I'm more leaning towards the argument that he has been mad at me for a moot point for the last ten turns or so. And your rather immature argument that my passive-aggressiveness brought this on is hilarious because of the true aggressiveness that you and Canada have shown recently. What with your war with Portugal and your "readjustment" of Switzerland and Canada's obliteration of the United States.[/QUOTE] I don't support Canada's actions, but I'm not going to condemn other nations for their expansionism anymore. What happens in America is not my concern and hasn't been for ages. My war with Portugal had everything to do with the politics of the region and whatnot. I still hold my position that Portugal was unnecessary and unwelcomed in France. You know my position on Swissland and I refuse to further need to defend myself. However, I was not the one who began arming the border up, and as you see now, I'm not the one invading another nation and pointing fingers trying to rationalize my way out of having to fight an alliance. I don't think you should have known about the alliance, but it's not relevant when you consider that your entire argument against the alliance is based totally on your not wanting to fight a bunch of nations who came together, knowing the risk of war with you was there, and then mutually decided to stand in solidarity opposed to you.

[QUOTE=Ven Kaeo;35804478]"True Aggressiveness of Canada" haha what the fuck Ever since I took control of Canada all I've done is mop up other people's messes. I was settling the war started by NPC America vs NPC Canada when your jackass self took over America and fucked me over (Which by the way only came into consideration with my unification of North America), then all I did was mop up after the Cuban Civil War and unrest in the Caribbean. Since then my only major war has been the one with America, and that's a reunification. I freed my Confederate brother states and now I'm reunifying North America as it was under the AUFC before it's collapse. Other than that I've been completely peaceful. Working towards scientific and economic cooperation. The Bering Strait Crossing, The VESTA Project, trying to get into space.[/QUOTE] Your invasion of the United States was unjust. There's a reason that the NPC revolted, the AUFC failed horribly. Why would they want to be in a similar situation again? And your reunification of America is actually working towards my argument as my ultimate goal is to reunify Germany.

[QUOTE=Mr. Face;35804444] Okay, so explain how I can do anything about things that I have no control over Ven. Explain to me how I can possibly control the fact that you made an alliance that was formed, coincidentally, at the same time as the time that Eli, Kriegs, and I had planned to attack Seed. I knew Seed had allies, of course, I had no idea that you were going to make a union specifically geared towards something of this nature though. I must again point out that you have no business being in any way involved with this war either Ven. Follow the Monroe Doctrine.[/QUOTE] Jesus you keep missing shit. 1) The alliance was originally geared towards ECONOMIC AND SCIENTIFIC COOPERATION. Okay? that was the ORIGINAL GOAL. I did not put it together in order to fuck you over. The Military Defence Agreement came after that and we worked it into the Treaty of Mutual Cooperation. It has nothing to do with you. You just tripped up into it. 2) Fuck the Monroe Doctrine. Seed is my ally, I will come to his in any way I can. As will the rest of the Alliance members. You had no business in America but that didn't stop you from trying, did it? You have no business in Switzerland, either. But you still stuck your nose into it and started a war over it. Same goes for Amsterdam, invading a small unprepared in-coincidental nation. Shame on you.

I'm totally fine with the idea of an alliance but directly stating that I fucked up for attacking an alliance that I never knew existed is illogical. I'm done arguing my point, anything I try to state is ignored. Maybe in the future we can create peace but for now that seems impossible due to the vastly differing views that we hold.

[QUOTE=Mr. Face;35804510]Your invasion of the United States was unjust. There's a reason that the NPC revolted, the AUFC failed horribly. Why would they want to be in a similar situation again? And your reunification of America is actually working towards my argument as my ultimate goal is to reunify Germany.[/QUOTE] You're stupid as shit, and I'm sorry for being blunt about it but it needs to be said. 1) No it was not. This is a game there is no 'just' or 'unjust'. My invasion of the United States is JUSTIFIABLE and I have justified it. 2) The AUFC failed horribly because that nation's player stopped sending in turns and under that GM at the time, quitting meant revolution. NOT the nation stagnating until someone took over. I am NOT inactive so I will not go down the same road. 3) Your ultimate goal is to oppress German, not reunify it. As you can see in the turn I am doing everything I can to make American lives better while not encroaching on their rights. I even let them keep their guns. THEIR GUNS, FACE. THEIR FUCKING GUNS.

I was under the impression that I had an alliance with the Dutch due to the fact that I was the reason they even existed. I "stuck my nose" in the Swiss issue as a direct statement that the altering of a nation's government against its populace's wishes is wrong. This will be my last post for the night.

[QUOTE=Mr. Face;35804533] Maybe in the future we can create peace but for now that seems impossible due to the vastly differing views that we hold.[/QUOTE] Oh PUHLEASE If STETHOR and SEED EATER can get along and agree to a full technological/economical/military alliance despite their differing views there's NO REASON you and Seed couldn't have gotten along. It was even in the fucking turn. There was NOTHING between the two of you that goes towards an attempt to make up. I'm not blaming you solely. I blame Seed for this too. It is both of your faults. But you are the aggressor in this situation. [editline]3rd May 2012[/editline] By the way, WaW turn up [url]http://www.facepunch.com/threads/1179918?p=35804543&viewfull=1#post35804543[/url]

[QUOTE=Ven Kaeo;35804558]Oh PUHLEASE If STETHOR and SEED EATER can get along and agree to a full technological/economical/military alliance despite their differing views there's NO REASON you and Seed couldn't have gotten along. It was even in the fucking turn. There was NOTHING between the two of you that goes towards an attempt to make up. I'm not blaming you solely. I blame Seed for this too. It is both of your faults. But you are the aggressor in this situation. [editline]3rd May 2012[/editline] By the way, WaW turn up [url]http://www.facepunch.com/threads/1179918?p=35804543&viewfull=1#post35804543[/url][/QUOTE] I know I said I wouldn't reply but this has to be brought up. Every conversation I've ever had with you or Seed on Steam has led to an argument of some sort. Not even Stethor can state that his views differ that much. I've never had a time in which I could actually have a pleasant diplomatic solution to anything with either of you because you end up either demanding too much or refuse to budge at all whenever I ask for anything.

Because you ask for, or demand, ridiculous things. Like when you demanded and even went as far as threatened to get involved if I marched south of the Mason Dixon Who the fuck are you to try and police North America? You're in goddamn Europe and no one in North America is allied to you. I would understand if the USA was your ally but they aren't. You had no place.

I'll just leave this here [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aSz1eZXpMKY[/media]

Glad to see the Fed. worked out well. Oh and Seed I give you alliance two turns. After that it will fall apart like all the others.

Not going to happen.

[QUOTE=Ven Kaeo;35804894]Not going to happen.[/QUOTE] What? The alliance falling apart? They all do Ven, come on you've been here a long time you know I'm right.

My alliance with Urban has been going strong for upwards of what, 10 turns now? His with Portugal lasted almost as long. I have a lot of faith in this new alliance.

[QUOTE=Ven Kaeo;35804929]My alliance with Urban has been going strong for upwards of what, 10 turns now? His with Portugal lasted almost as long. I have a lot of faith in this new alliance.[/QUOTE] There are exceptions to the rule... but don't you know Urban irl? So that doesn't count.

Kim Bojang-ils: Interesting turn. DetectiveP (Best Germany): Yup Kim Bojang-ils: Good luck with that alliance.... but I warn you they never work. DetectiveP (Best Germany): Well, either way DetectiveP (Best Germany): The Fed it going down Kim Bojang-ils: I've been in on a few of these alliances and they never work... yeah I see that wanting peace was too much. DetectiveP (Best Germany): Well, it was them that made the first move, so y'know DetectiveP (Best Germany): blah blah i wanted peace blah Kim Bojang-ils: Yeah... well Europe... oh and nice move in France with the assassination... shame it won't matter. DetectiveP (Best Germany): Actually I didn't plan the assasination, just the rebellion DetectiveP (Best Germany): And trust me, it will DetectiveP (Best Germany): this civilw ar gives me legitimate reason to march ym ass into France and restore order again DetectiveP (Best Germany): and plus, the communists are more than happy to hand over their land to me, if not let me use it to store my civilians Kim Bojang-ils: Heh... you don't understand. Drive me underground and you will see my true potential. [B]DetectiveP (Best Germany): That's you? DetectiveP (Best Germany): the cult is you?[/B] DetectiveP (Best Germany): oh wow, did not see that coming DetectiveP (Best Germany): plot twist [B]Kim Bojang-ils: Yeah, don't worry it's nothing against you. My goals go far beyond this waste of life in europe.[/B] Kim Bojang-ils: Best of luck there. Hope Europe works out... but I wouldn't plan for a long and peacefull reign. DetectiveP (Best Germany): Ohoho DetectiveP (Best Germany): now that I know a player is behidn the cult DetectiveP (Best Germany): then I think that this situation will be alot easier DetectiveP (Best Germany): good luck DetectiveP (Best Germany): ;) Kim Bojang-ils: So you think. DetectiveP (Best Germany): WINKY FACE IMPLYING SOMETHING [B]Kim Bojang-ils: Nothing short of ending life on all of earth will clear me out.[/B] DetectiveP (Best Germany): i think that a brutal masscre of your people in France, here and now, will take care of you quite well [B]Kim Bojang-ils: Did you read the turn before last? Kim Bojang-ils: I have compounds world wide. Kim Bojang-ils: And the infestation goes deeper than you could imagine.[/B]

Chinese Fishmonger: Okay seriously wtf is with this cult bullshit Chinese Fishmonger: Get the fuck out of Canada you freak Kim Bojang-ils: Hehaha... don't worry. I won't harm you or yours my goals are elsewhere. Kim Bojang-ils: I assume Seed filled you in. Chinese Fishmonger: Yeah p.much Kim Bojang-ils: Well then I suppose I was succesfull in putting the fear of god, or the gods, into him. Chinese Fishmonger: If I see so much as a peep of your cult spreading in Canada I will not hesitate to start executing them as enemies of the state Kim Bojang-ils: What if I give you the US? Kim Bojang-ils: Or more. Chinese Fishmonger: You can't 'give me' the US Kim Bojang-ils: I turn the government and then they bow to you. Chinese Fishmonger: There is no government anymore I conquered them Kim Bojang-ils: Of course I can. I can give you anything in reason. Chinese Fishmonger: I'm dealing with sporadic militantism and rebellion not a formal government Chinese Fishmonger: And I know how to deal with this Kim Bojang-ils: Yeah? Kim Bojang-ils: With mass slaughter?? Chinese Fishmonger: lol no Chinese Fishmonger: That's how I'd deal with you Kim Bojang-ils: How bout you get it peacefully... and with a nice army. Chinese Fishmonger: Not with the americans Chinese Fishmonger: Dude I'm getting it peacefully anyway Chinese Fishmonger: If you want to fuck with someone go fuck with Austria and EG Kim Bojang-ils: Maybe... but West Germany is just way more fun. Kim Bojang-ils: Though... Russia would be nice this time of year. Chinese Fishmonger: Leave the Alliance alone Kim Bojang-ils: Why? Chinese Fishmonger: or I WILL hunt down and execute your cult members Kim Bojang-ils: What do I get for not hitting the hornets nest? Kim Bojang-ils: Go ahead... hunt. Chinese Fishmonger: you don't get targeted Kim Bojang-ils: You'll be chasing shadows and myths. Chinese Fishmonger: You think you're good at hiding shit but it's not easy to hide crazy cannibal fucktards Kim Bojang-ils: No no no... not cannibals. Kim Bojang-ils: Just loyal. Chinese Fishmonger: You're insane. Good luck fighting the world when the entire world is fighting you.

Ah... I love the paranoia. It's just way more fun than being a country!

[QUOTE=Ven Kaeo;35804517]Jesus you keep missing shit. 1) The alliance was originally geared towards ECONOMIC AND SCIENTIFIC COOPERATION. Okay? that was the ORIGINAL GOAL. I did not put it together in order to fuck you over. The Military Defence Agreement came after that and we worked it into the Treaty of Mutual Cooperation. It has nothing to do with you. You just tripped up into it. 2) Fuck the Monroe Doctrine. Seed is my ally, I will come to his in any way I can. As will the rest of the Alliance members. You had no business in America but that didn't stop you from trying, did it? You have no business in Switzerland, either. But you still stuck your nose into it and started a war over it. Same goes for Amsterdam, invading a small unprepared in-coincidental nation. Shame on you.[/QUOTE] You forget Seed had no business in Switzerland either. He asked me if he could do anything about it, I responded no. He did something about it. Now it is our problem.

Good job on fucking Europe up, dickwads.

[QUOTE=KriegsMar1ne;35807407]You forget Seed had no business in Switzerland either. He asked me if he could do anything about it, I responded no. He did something about it. Now it is our problem.[/QUOTE] You said I could change the government. Way I see it, I have business in Swissland.

I'm not apart of any alliance, to let you know. I planned on being neutral, but because of East Germany's actions of shipping arms through RotNC waters, forces me to be at war with EG. I'm open for peace talks.

[QUOTE=KriegsMar1ne;35807407]You forget Seed had no business in Switzerland either. He asked me if he could do anything about it, I responded no. He did something about it. Now it is our problem.[/QUOTE] Except Switzerland was originally one of his allies in the rebellion wars and was never your ally so he has more say than you do in their demographics

[QUOTE=Ven Kaeo;35812896]Except Switzerland was originally one of his allies in the rebellion wars and was never your ally so he has more say than you do in their demographics[/QUOTE] Im talking about him asking the Fed for the go ahead. The Fed replied no, yet he did so anyways. THAT is my point. And my only point really for invading him, I want Switzerland Free to THEIR own control. [editline]3rd May 2012[/editline] The one thing I don't understand is that you claim to want world peace, With the obvious tensions were rising between us and Seed. If you really wanted world peace why wouldn't we (The most, in my opinion, We were thee most Likely aggressors at that time.) be invited to stop the Tensions therefore making the world peaceful? Just my pondering's.