I like Seneca. It's a good name.
Also, Scorp... I'm not totally sure you're qualified to speak on this matter, considering you haven't contributed to spawn at all, as far as I'm aware. Maybe stick to building your little homestead in the wilderness, hm?
[QUOTE=woolio1;49667660]I like Seneca. It's a good name.
Also, Scorp... I'm not totally sure you're qualified to speak on this matter, considering you haven't contributed to spawn at all, as far as I'm aware. Maybe stick to building your little homestead in the wilderness, hm?[/QUOTE]
That's inane, everyone goes to spawn at least once in a while, it's central to the server and it's relevant to everyone what it's called. Frankly I'm in favor of just calling it spawn, it's a lot better than naming it after random towns in Minnesota that have nothing to do with anything. It's just going to confuse people to give it a different name.
I don't think names are totally relevant to anything, Mort. People can call it spawn, others can call it some bizarre fanciful name. I don't think it's something everyone has to agree on, because it ultimately doesn't have any meaningful impact on anything.
I say call it what you want. Who cares what name you give to a virtual pile of cubes?
[QUOTE=woolio1;49667753]I don't think names are totally relevant to anything, Mort. People can call it spawn, others can call it some bizarre fanciful name. I don't think it's something everyone has to agree on, because it ultimately doesn't have any meaningful impact on anything.[/QUOTE]
If it doesn't matter then don't condescend to people that have a different opinion than you about it.
[QUOTE=woolio1;49667660]I like Seneca. It's a good name.
Also, Scorp... I'm not totally sure you're qualified to speak on this matter, considering you haven't contributed to spawn at all, as far as I'm aware. Maybe stick to building your little homestead in the wilderness, hm?[/QUOTE]
Well when players set 'building standards' it's kinda hard to build what you want if it doesn't match :v:
Besides, spawn is a huge traffic point in the server, both in the world and through the nether. I bypass it a lot and stop in it a lot. Just because I haven't built anything in it lately doesn't mean I'm detached.
Spawn doesn't have building standards. We just have a few areas that are more tightly controlled. There's plenty of room in north and south spawn without any sort of design code. You've just never asked.
Remember, assumptions make an ass out of u and mptions. Or something like that.
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ign: Conspirator
or Conspirator13 (?) thats the name it shows i guess. Sorry I just got it.
Lets compromise
The City is named Spawn, but the [I]region[/I] in Spawn that currently exists is named Seneca. As the city grows as we've planned we will add more regions as we see fit.
I'd like to request whitelisting for another friend, IGN Misplacable
[QUOTE=mcgrath618;49668236]Lets compromise
The City is named Spawn, but the [I]region[/I] in Spawn that currently exists is named Seneca. As the city grows as we've planned we will add more regions as we see fit.[/QUOTE]
Alternate suggestion: We call the city Spawn, and we name pieces of it. It adds more granular detail, which we're going to need if we're expanding as much as we are.
[QUOTE=woolio1;49668436]Alternate suggestion: We call the city Spawn, and we name pieces of it. It adds more granular detail, which we're going to need if we're expanding as much as we are.[/QUOTE]
that's what I meant lol just worded it like shite
No, don't compromise because of bizarre logic.
Rename spawn, because even if we do the people complaining will continue to call it "spawn", and people that don't call it "spawn" will still understand what "spawn" is. It's not like we're a gestapo that can ban people for non compliance. It's like arguing over whether spelling "Demons" as "Deamons" makes you look like a jackass and a hipster; no one will probably change their ways, and both are technically correct.
I support any motion you decide to pass, Mcgrath.
OBJECTION!
Daemons and Demons are actually different concepts. A better analogy would be "color" and "hue."
[QUOTE=The Pretender;49668625]keep it spawn
god dammit[/QUOTE]
OBJECTION!
The defendant has already agreed to call it spawn. Would you please revise your testimony?
alright, since King is attempting to lawyer this debacle up, I think I will, too.
The argument that "Everyone visits spawn" is as valid as it is misleading. Everyone visits spawn, yes, but how many people actually play a role in it? Let alone actually care?
Now that this has been established, it is my opinion that only those who have shown considerable concern, and appreciation for the responsibilities and implications that go along with contributing toward a greater "spawn" should be more influential, in relation towards those who don't.
In this instance, I created a shortlist of people that should be counted as "Contributors" to the area known at this current time as "spawn".
[B]CONTRIBUTORS[/B]
Mcgrath
Fulsy
Woolio
Eomsten
Incoming
Conor
If you would like yourself added to the list, if this is to be used, simply raise your concerns to one of the "contributors" listed above.
use agree/disagree to vote, reasons for doing so would be appreiciated
[editline]3rd February 2016[/editline]
note: list is not official
HOLD IT!
Has King expressly mentioned his desire to "lawyer up?" The defense has taken this case expressly on his own volition, and has absolutely no idea where it's going.
I've been playing too much Ace Attorney lately. I should probably cut back.
you're right, Mort is actually being more technical than King ever has.
[editline]3rd February 2016[/editline]
also the least cooperative
People are taking this issue too seriously. Nobody should be acting as gatekeeper to the discussion, nobody should be considering Spawn their personal domain. I've never built anything in Spawn, but I've opened up the Vokzal stockpiles for building projects in Spawn in the past. Does that make me less of a contributor? Does that mean someone's gonna come along and tell me I don't belong in the discussion or that I should have less say? And what about the people who mined and gathered those resources I passed along. Aren't they contributors too?
Seriously this isn't the time for boosting egos. It's a chunk of territory that everyone has had involvement with, so let's just calm down and go with whatever name feels natural to the majority of players.
[QUOTE=Sega Saturn;49669189]People are taking this issue too seriously. Nobody should be acting as gatekeeper to the discussion, nobody should be considering Spawn their personal domain. I've never built anything in Spawn, but I've opened up the Vokzal stockpiles for building projects in Spawn in the past. Does that make me less of a contributor? Does that mean someone's gonna come along and tell me I don't belong in the discussion or that I should have less say? And what about the people who mined and gathered those resources I passed along. Aren't they contributors too?
Seriously this isn't the time for boosting egos. It's a chunk of territory that everyone has had involvement with, so let's just calm down and go with whatever name feels natural to the majority of players.[/QUOTE]
theres an agree/disagree for a reason
anyway, there's a fair amount of people who simply leave spawn and never bother with it. a list could be a way of clearing the chatter slightly so theres less of a stalemate, and on the flip side, encourage more people to participate in improving spawn.
No one ever told you that you "dont belong in the discussion" or that you "have less of a say". If you put resources up front and central, and showed fair interest in Spawn, then you have full right to voice an opinion.
To further clarify the list itself, people can be added at any time, and all votes would be equal.
The existence of a list is meant to exclude voices from the discussion. What you call clearing the chatter, I call advancing an elite agenda. I saw you liked the name Seneca earlier in the thread, but I'm not going to resort to creating in-crowds and out-crowds just to push my opinion a little harder. If there's not general support from the entire community, including people like Scorp who live way out in the boondocks, then I don't see why we should change the name.
[QUOTE=Sega Saturn;49669297]The existence of a list is meant to exclude voices from the discussion.[/QUOTE]
i hardly call the list "exclusive" when the requirement for entry is literally "show a little support"
Spawn is hardly a community project when so few people actively participate, so those who do participate should have the right to further improve or change spawn.
oh and by the way its a [B]name[/B]. its the difference between calling a Dachshund a Doxie. Both are correct, because no matter what people know what you are talking[I] ABOUT[/I].
[editline]4th February 2016[/editline]
seriously you're turning an[I] alternative name[/I] put forward as a [I][U]formal substitute[/U][/I], into a political agenda that is being imposed upon everybody. I said it once and I'll say it again, we're not the Gestapo.
[QUOTE=Incoming.;49669339]seriously you're turning an[I] alternative name[/I] put forward as a [I][U]formal substitute[/U][/I], into a political agenda that is being imposed upon everybody. I said it once and I'll say it again, we're not the Gestapo.[/QUOTE]
It has nothing to do with politics. I'm just saying that lists, especially ones like these, are bad for the community. You go and confer a not-official-but-sort-of-official title on yourself and your buddies, and say that your crew should be "more influential" in a conversation that everyone acknowledges was supposed to be informal. That's really obtuse.
So I'm not on that list. A lot of people aren't, despite having contributed to spawn in small but meaningful ways over the last year. You say it's not exclusive to get on the list, we just have to show a little support. How much support? Enough to satisfy you? I don't think you did this intentionally but you made yourself a gatekeeper. I'm trying to discourage you from doing that.
We don't need a list.
[QUOTE=Sega Saturn;49669442]It has nothing to do with politics. I'm just saying that lists, especially ones like these, are bad for the community. You go and confer a not-official-but-sort-of-official title on yourself and your buddies, and say that your crew should be "more influential" in a conversation that everyone acknowledges was supposed to be informal. That's really obtuse.[/QUOTE]
That entire paragraph is obtuse, because I've already stated that people who want to call it spawn can go on calling it spawn, and people that don't can call it whatever is decided. You literally shifted goalposts from "You're taking this too seriously" to "You're pushing an elite agenda", neurotically refer to when I agreed with the name Seneca, simply because having an S reduced my workload, then backtrack again by saying "it has nothing to do with politics".
Elite agenda usually coincides with some form of political action.
[QUOTE]So I'm not on that list. A lot of people aren't, despite having contributed to spawn in small but meaningful ways over the last year.[/QUOTE]
Then you ignore the fact I already made it front and center that the list is not official, nor is it set in stone, in what I can only call a below the belt jab to try and discredit some form of control on who actually has a clear dedication to improving the main city of the map, when the list itself is already exceedingly lax in requirements.
I'm not being a gatekeeper, either. If anyone is a gatekeeper it would be Mcgrath and Woolio for bulldozing a large portion of Spawn, something that I think greatly improved it. You've continued to work closely with Woolio on multiple projects, actually. [not a criticism] King protested quite heavily, but no one got called a gatekeeper. A bit strange, I think.
I've been blatant in saying that the list isn't official, purely a concept right now, and can be voted upon with agree/disagree, but no, any form of governing that people don't agree with [over something as arbitrary as a single name] has resulted in this bizarre snowball effect.
Give it a rest, already, and actually read what I post.
Can someone whitelist me?
My Minecraft username is Milanpsmp
Mockup of a remodeled spawn central terminal. Ignore the lack of stairs.
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getting this worked up about the name of a city in minecraft come on now
My last reply of the night. My issue with your idea has remained consistent throughout the discussion: the list doesn't add to the community and creates problems. To elaborate on my point, as politely as I could and without resorting to name-calling, I tried pointing out several ways making a list was a bad idea.
The first being that it added needless complication. We went from talking about the name itself to talking about the people who were suggesting and voting on the name. I felt that was an inappropriate step, resulting in the "too serious" comment.
Second, you can't create a list without putting people into at least two categories. You decided that some people's opinions should matter more than others, and put yourself into the category that matters more. You even belittled the opinions of other people by describing it as "chatter." I thought that was an elitist viewpoint, and I criticized it for that.
Of course this discussion isn't about "politics." Politics is a matter of policy, i.e., the name of Spawn. This discussion is about your social conduct. I never tried to paint you out as the "gestapo," I was merely saying that you, and a few others, were being rude, needlessly bringing a personal, elitist dimension into a topic which didn't warrant it.
And now that I've established clearly that we're talking about a social problem and not a political problem, it should be clear what was meant by "gatekeeper." By belittling people you determined as insufficiently "dedicated" to the project, you are acting to limit who has meaningful participation in the discussion. I commented that I wouldn't resort to that sort of behavior just to strengthen my own suggestion; every opinion matters. You response to that notion is that I'm being neurotic.
You still haven't provided any valid explanation as to why you, specifically, should be able to go about categorizing people, and more importantly, how doing so helps the community at all, and I don't think you're going to, because you shouldn't, and it doesn't. So rather than getting so defensive, I highly encourage you to consider how your behavior looks to someone other than yourself. Then you'll probably realize why this whole thing "snowballed."
And to continue with the lawyer theme from last page; I rest my case. :ok:
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