Has your opinion of a class / character changed since 2007? - Games

Sometimes it says "he", sometimes it says "she". Therefore, the Pyro's gender alternates between man/woman. But I still think the Pyro enjoys gratuitous murder.

Okay, ill give my thoughts on the classes Scout: Hipster Soldier: Not much has changed, I maniac who uses a rocket to kill large amounts of people. A Hypocrit racist (check domination lines). He also follows many warriors steps and mimicking them, to be like them. Pyro: Woman from a Spanish dissent or unknown. I think its best to stay unknown too until Valve says what she/he really is, Like G-man. Demoman: A drunk who is actually a good person who knows how to crack funny jokes Heavy: A gentlemen when he is out of the battlefield who enjoys his food. I mean, he does have a Ph.D in Russian Literature right? Engineer: A calm, cool, chill guy who is also a Genius killer. Sniper: Antisocial. Medic: No thoughts really. Valve need to give more media about him(Meet The Medic) Spy: Someone that feels he better then anyone else, A asshole basically.

[QUOTE=Cajun;29706990]I think rong only likes the wad of dick part there[/QUOTE] Speaking of Rong, I haven't seen that guy in ages. What happened to him? And I always used to see the Medic as such a week class fighting-wise.

Sniper as a character has been fleshed out nicely, especially thanks to "meet the sniper" his pre-update lines are not particularly insightful into his personality.

The only class that I never felt changed much because of hats, new weapons, or comics was the medic.....[b]until the Shogun Pack.[/b] [img]http://wiki.teamfortress.com/w/images/thumb/0/06/Medicgeisha.png/250px-Medicgeisha.png[/img] I mean, seriously?!

The Demoman, maybe when I read the WAR! comic showed me that he wasn't really (or at least, all time) a drunk that loves blowing stuff up (again, most of the time.) No, he has a mother, he cherishes friendship and well, pretty much even though he had a hard past, he's one of the characters that I do not consider crazy. He's just drunk. Soldier is batshit insane so WAR! doesn't count.

The Heavy has gone from my favorite class to my least favorite class. Although it's mostly about the game play and not the character itself the game play has affected my view of him as a character. He's so irritating to fight now that even when I see him in comics/videos now I am dis-interested.

I thought the spy was a classy guy, and shrugged at the mullet. Now he has a pimp hat, and a weapon that makes no sense(kuni thing).

I used to think scout was a badass now he's a poof

I always thought the Soldier wore Japanese hats and stuff like that as a sort of trophy. The only character that I can actually think of changing for me would be the Heavy. Before I just saw him as a strange gun-loving guy. Recently, however, I'm starting to believe that he's in a state of extreme depression, as his size and strength drives away anybody who he wants to talk to. This forces him to resort to using inanimate objects for companionship.

[QUOTE=butters757;29711108]I always thought the Soldier wore Japanese hats and stuff like that as a sort of trophy. The only character that I can actually think of changing for me would be the Heavy. Before I just saw him as a strange gun-loving guy. Recently, however, I'm starting to believe that he's in a state of extreme depression, as his size and strength drives away anybody who he wants to talk to. This forces him to resort to using inanimate objects for companionship.[/QUOTE] And the Medic? I think they would at least be pretty good buddies after relying on each other for such a long time.

[QUOTE=MrCasual;29706009]Oh yeah, its also implied in that new comic that Heavie's entire family died when he was a child, in a prison he was kept in. Maybe he started talking to inanimate objects then, to deal with the crushing loneliness.[/QUOTE] I'll never see heavy the same way after reading this

[QUOTE=johnlmonkey;29712451]I'll never see heavy the same way after reading this[/QUOTE] He still likes to shoot that gun.

[QUOTE=CakeMaster7;29709759]The only class that I never felt changed much because of hats, new weapons, or comics was the medic.....[b]until the Shogun Pack.[/b] [img_thumb]http://wiki.teamfortress.com/w/images/thumb/0/06/Medicgeisha.png/250px-Medicgeisha.png[/img_thumb] I mean, seriously?![/QUOTE] That is non-canon for sure. Medic is maybe insanely crazy, but he don't wear women hair or clothes. My views on medic will possibly change when Meet the Medic comes. Maybe.. *Sniff* Maybe.

I thought that after the Engie update, and learning he lobbed off one of his hands for the gunslinger, that he was a little bit more insane than he previously seemed. And I like it.

Sniper 2007: Professional with standarts 2011: Dumbass with piss

Pyro: Man-child lunatic that likes burning things --> [i]Camp gay[/i] man-child lunatic that likes burning things I never really got the people who considered Pyro a female because it has a purse (and started doing really girly animations once the idea took off); Pyro has too deep a voice and is built too much like Fatty Arbuckle for me to entertain the idea. All of Pyro's feminine traits intermingled with the masculine traits can also be used to verify him as a "Flamer", with the added plus of [i]oh my god they just used that pun[/i].

Spy changed a lot for me. He used to be the straight man of the team and acted like he was really the only one that had any idea what was actually going on and why everybody was fighting; he was the "villain" of TF2 in a sort. Now he's just about as wacky and zany as the other classes. He's started wearing a Pharaoh's headwear, for fuck's sake.

in the meet the medic preview in the comic, it looked like he was badass

[QUOTE=The Ultimate;29717444]in the meet the medic preview in the comic, it looked like he was badass[/QUOTE] I cant fucking wait for Meet the medic. Its gonna be so awesome.

[QUOTE=Moupi;29717382]He's started wearing a Pharaoh's headwear, for fuck's sake.[/QUOTE] What now? If you're talking about the Janissary ketche, that has nothing to do with Pharaoh's or Egypt, it's a Turkish-Ottoman infantryman's hat.

For me Medic is a guy who would just [B]love[/B] to hurt other people, but poor bastard is stuck with healings, yet he is okay with this... More or less. Valve still changes those characters, they are still being developed as the time passes. Let's take Sniper for example, first we saw him as a silent killer that just wanted to get his job done and get paid. Then we got new voice lines and such, he started to enjoy it. Later he got his new weapon, and that's Tribalman's Shiv that caused freaking bleeding, apparently he enjoyed it even more than before and liked to see his enemy dying in a long, painful death... And he overdosed Jarate pills so now everything he uses has piss in it. :v:

The engineers personality exposure in the engineer update was really what made me love this class I mean, in the old "Meet the team" videos it was just trying to show the classes being badass, and they did look badass, and the engineer seemed like some careless awesome killer bob the builder, but after that we've learned that the engineer shaves his head(dome shine), and that he sawed off his own hand in order to replace it with a robotic one, and it showed him smiling a happy little careless smile afterwards, shit, if that didn't make you think of him as a deranged psycho then what would.

[QUOTE=Helldog;29709837]The Demoman, maybe when I read the WAR! comic showed me that he wasn't really (or at least, all time) a drunk that loves blowing stuff up (again, most of the time.) No, he has a mother, he cherishes friendship and well, pretty much even though he had a hard past, he's one of the characters that I do not consider crazy. He's just drunk. Soldier is batshit insane so WAR! doesn't count.[/QUOTE] WAR! definitely counts, it showed that Soldier lives [I]in a fucking windowless basement living on ribs and army magazines[/I], despite prolly having enough money to have a mansion, like everyone else on the team. And evidently he attempts to kill everyone who comes to his door, except the Rib Place deliveryman. The Medic, in my eyes, is definitely an ex-nazi. His age and the era matches. He's a sadist, and he's got some batshit crazy healing and killing inventions. I view him as a bit of a Dr. Mengele. I mean, him perfecting the medigun by running experiments on people in a concentration camp would make perfect sense... Though he's not much of a racist, so he prolly did it for fun. The Heavy seems to be widely regarded in the TF2 community as a funny retard, but I think he's intellectual, just speaks English badly and rarely feels the urge to bring out his intellectual side. Since Poker Night we know he's been to a "school of killing" when he was a child.

[QUOTE=Allstone;29718104]Valve have explicitly stated he's not.[/QUOTE]Alongside stating that he was raised in Germany during "an era when the Hippocratic oath had been downgraded to an optional Hippocratic suggestion", has a "a trembling enthusiasm for plunging [syringes] into exposed flesh", and that that the TF2 team is not allowed to [i]say[/i] anyone's affiliated with the Nazis because Germany isn't too hot about games which do that. [editline]8:49[/editline] Personally, my favorite interpretation is that he's one of the scientists who were subject to [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Paperclip]Operation Paperclip[/url]. Incredibly useful inventions? Check. Placed in a role that he probably should not be trusted with because of said inventions? Check. Background that would give him a rather high chance of Nazi party involvement, but personal history and reasons for involvement in current job are intentionally kept vague? Check.

It's called [url="http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Flanderization"]Flanderization[/url]. Engie was originally a smart but lazy guy enjoying his beer and playing guitar while his machines raised the K:D for him. What's that? He's from Texas?! Congratulations, Engie, you're now a Cowboy! - Or yeah, the Pyro, like you already said. Originally gleefully enjoying the burning of his enemies and rocking out with a fireaxe solo, now an effeminate gardener with gender-identity issues, all because Valve added the little purse for issues. That little purse. It was his demise. - Spy also sorta started as a suave professional assassin and is now the insane team troll. Sniper's Australian background initially didn't matter either, now he's a crazy piss-wielding aborigine-taught bushman. Heavy didn't change all that much for me aside from his Russian background playing a bit of a more important role, but many people make him look dumber than he is just because he's not that good in English and doesn't wear glasses, but has brawn. Demoman went completely 180° with his Scottish heritage, no further explanation needed. Soldier sorta changed because of his Sun Tsu quote, but not all that much for me. Scout didn't change that much either, he just got sillier melee weapons. All in all it's "interesting" to see how much each character's nationality mattered at the start of TF2 and how much it defines them now. I had a feeling their different nationalities were just for the sake of diversity and creating the image of "the best of the world" being gathered for the job. It's hard to narrow down each character tho given TF2's "loose canon", so I mainly go by what their new items convey and what their common depiction in community works and discussions is.

i'm laughing at the notion that tf2 has any kind of established 'canon' or storyline other than 'cartoon mans shoot each other w/ silly hats on'.

[QUOTE=Marik Bentusi;29719349]It's called [url="http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Flanderization"]Flanderization[/url]. Engie was originally a smart but lazy guy enjoying his beer and playing guitar while his machines raised the K:D for him. What's that? He's from Texas?! Congratulations, Engie, you're now a Cowboy! - Or yeah, the Pyro, like you already said. Originally gleefully enjoying the burning of his enemies and rocking out with a fireaxe solo, now an effeminate gardener with gender-identity issues, all because Valve added the little purse for issues. That little purse. It was his demise.[/QUOTE] I wouldn't say engineer got flanderized or derailed, he was kinda of always like that, and they really didn't change much about him. If anything, the engineer update comic fleshed him out as a patient and kind sort who you do NOT want to be around if you push his buttons. That said, I agree with you about the pyro. People took that purse and latched onto it, but not necessarily in a bad way. The crazed MPD Feminine Pyromaniac angle is both halrious and intimidating, when played right. I'd say the character who fared the best is the heavy. He started out as [url=http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/HuskyRusskie]Husky Russkie[/url] [url=http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/DumbMuscle]Dumb Muscle[/url], with a love for [url=http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MoreDakka]More Dakka[/url] who [url=http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ICallItVera]calls his gun Sasha[/url], he eventually evolved into a [url=http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/GeniusBruiser]Genius Bruiser[/url] who is [url=http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/EloquentInMyNativeTongue]Eloquent in His Native Tongue[/url] and had [url=http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TearJerker]a tragic childhood, which led to his tendency to become attached to inanimate objects.[/url]

I've always seen Pyro as being a male as well, and people who think Pyro is a girl probably just want some wet fantasy going. His bodyshape is masculine, despite being awkward. His voice is manly, despite being muffled. His actual voice actor is also male. There is official Valve concept art of Pyro unmasked, showing his male face. The model Svdl did is very true to what I'm 95% sure is under the suit. Also, when taking the physics into consideration, the suit would have to be skintight, or very close to being so. If there was some skinny female in there, Valve would certainly have made some jiggly cloth physics for the rubbersuit, back when they originally did TF2, they really wouldn't have missed out on such a detail. If it was a fat female in there, then I guess she got no boobs and a very manly voice, how unfortunate for her. Sure, then there is the female pouch and some feminine animation. The female pouch could be in memory of someone close to him, maybe his wife he left for his mercenary job? Maybe his dead mother? As for the animations, I'll get to that point later... Also, I don't see why most people mark him as some crazy madman because he uses a Flame Thrower. Why is that more wrong to use than other tools of war? It's a team of 9 mercenaries, and someone had to take the weapon with chaotic abilities and crowd control. Flame is efficent for some purposes, and using one does not make you more murder or more crazy than other crazed gunsmen. Pyro COULD be crazy, much like Soldier is, but he shouldn't be judge by being so just because of his weapon choice, when we have no idea how his personality and identity is truly. Then there is the silly hats, the female hat, and the feminine animations. Most people(like the op) just tend to judge him as being ill or completely insane. I think otherwise. I've always believe the Pyro as being either a humorous/unserious person, or a person who enjoy to humiliate, taunt and dominate the enemy in a manner which will make them cry into their sleep(or death). How would you feel, if someone wore a hat, which made them look like a retard/lady/child, beat the living crap out of you and dominated your ass? I believe we all deep inside would feel humiliated by that, and it would feed our anger and lust for revenge. For the same reasons, he sometimes taunt a feminine manner, to fuel your anger. That, is how I see the Pyro. A mystic personality, most likely male, he might be crazy or might be normal, who enjoy to humiliate in the worst possible manner, to make you cry inside.