The Detonator is not glitched/bugged/or whatever and I have proof. - Games

[QUOTE=Vaught;30773616]I think Valve is falling back on the Pyro's ability to win any situation with the Axtinguisher, par sentry. The Pyro can immediately destroy anyone one-on-one with that thing, even more so with the Degreaser with its hilarious stats the tell you 'Afterburn is bad'. With such raw power that can be deployed the moment catches fire, along with faster weapon swap, they have improved damage but for the wrong weapons and reasons. He's not a spy, yet can eliminate players with no hope of reacting fast enough as if he were a spy. He has the damage, but for the wrong weapon. He needs something dedicated to his domain; Afterburn. Hell, when Bleeding came in, it was kind of like a slap in the face as it allowed more players something akin to afterburn, but it couldn't be put out so quickly.[/QUOTE] Now I do agree with you that the axtinguisher is a beast but as a matter of fact that most classes can kill pyro's suddenly and quickly (even faster than the pyro) and that it only applies in situations where the person is a retard who doesn't know how to run away from the pyro with the axtinguisher.

guys, fuck valve, we have to REBEL! lets all get together and spend hours and hours shooting at all the main valve maps. that'll teach those faggots to mess with our weapons!

That Chinese bootleg edition of TF2 will have my support if rockstar Pyro can flarejump :D

[QUOTE=Keyblockor;30773676]Now I do agree with you that the axtinguisher is a beast but as a matter of fact that most classes can kill pyro's suddenly and quickly (even faster than the pyro) and that it only applies in situations where the person is a retard who doesn't know how to run away from the pyro with the axtinguisher.[/QUOTE] Running away is usually never an option when it comes to Pyro. With the ability to disable a player with a rather long-range airblast, disorient their aim. If the Pyro is charging someone who can definitely fuck up their day, they deserve to be mowed down. But if the Pyro catches the person off-guard, the battle is over before it begun when they whip out the Axtinguisher. Not to mention Source has the shittiest hit detection possible.

The people say that the Detonator is less powerful than the Flare Gun are dumb. The Detonator is the flare gun with an added feature.

[QUOTE=Meatpuppet;30773742]The people say that the Detonator is less powerful than the Flare Gun are dumb. The Detonator is the flare gun with an added feature.[/QUOTE] Yeah, a firework noise.

[QUOTE=Vaught;30773717]Running away is usually never an option when it comes to Pyro. With the ability to disable a player with a rather long-range airblast, disorient their aim. If the Pyro is charging someone who can definitely fuck up their day, they deserve to be mowed down. But if the Pyro catches the person off-guard, the battle is over before it begun when they whip out the Axtinguisher. Not to mention Source has the shittiest hit detection possible.[/QUOTE] Although I agree with you on the fact that if a pyro decides to think it's a good idea to run dumbly into a miniguns fire then yes they should die, but many times I have found myself fucked even though I had the ambush upper hand, I don't neglect the airblast but either but if I used it then I wouldn't be able to cause damage, I'm fucked either way. I can post some videos as me as other classes and completely eliminating a pyro one on one even though he had the upper hand.

Also is anyone else's right click really delayed? You can't explode it until it's really far away, even then it has a little delay. [editline]29th June 2011[/editline] I rarely get it to explode

[QUOTE=Meatpuppet;30773742]The people say that the Detonator is less powerful than the Flare Gun are dumb. The Detonator is the flare gun with an added feature.[/QUOTE] Look at the attribute that says it's -20% damage and say it's equal.

[QUOTE=Keyblockor;30773790]Look at the attribute that says it's -20% damage and say it's equal.[/QUOTE] -20% damage? what

[QUOTE=Meatpuppet;30773742]The people say that the Detonator is less powerful than the Flare Gun are dumb. The Detonator is the flare gun with an added feature.[/QUOTE] Without the flare jumping, the Flare Gun is without doubt better. Detonator can only mini-crit on a constructive hit. That's only 33% extra damage. Flare Gun will CRIT on a constructive hit. That's a whooping 300% more damage. About 9 times as much. I know what I'd choose at the current stage. Specially since the alt-fire of Detonator is completely fucked. Not only is it hard to to aim, but it's not responding to my commands half of the time, and even if I hit a group of people with the explosion, only one is set on fire. EDIT: Why do you agree? I'm one of the dumb people saying Flare Gun is clearly better.

[QUOTE=Keyblockor;30773779]Although I agree with you on the fact that if a pyro decides to think it's a good idea to run dumbly into a miniguns fire then yes they should die, but many times I have found myself fucked even though I had the ambush upper hand, I don't neglect the airblast but either but if I used it then I wouldn't be able to cause damage, I'm fucked either way. I can post some videos as me as other classes and completely eliminating a pyro one on one even though he had the upper hand.[/QUOTE] While I'm not one to denounce one's abilities, this game is really centered around random and luck/chance. IE: I crit-whipped like four people in a row before a Medic stabbed me. I would've died in any other situation.

[QUOTE=Meatpuppet;30773796]-20% damage? what[/QUOTE] The Detonator has the attribute of -20% Damage, learn to actually look at the attributes. [editline]29th June 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Vaught;30773845]While I'm not one to denounce one's abilities, this game is really centered around random and luck/chance. IE: I crit-whipped like four people in a row before a Medic stabbed me. I would've died in any other situation.[/QUOTE] Well, Vaught. I do know you're not denouncing my abilities or any others but I'm willing to place bets with you that I can take you on 1 on 1 as any class except for the spy and come out victorious - [B]To show how unbalanced the pyro is.[/B]

ITT: Bunch of idiots bitching that Valve should have kept it in because it was "fun" despite the fact that it was ridiculously OP and had no place in the game. DEAL WITH IT.

[QUOTE=Keyblockor;30773849]The Detonator has the attribute of -20% Damage, learn to actually look at the attributes. [editline]29th June 2011[/editline] Well, Vaught. I do know you're not denouncing my abilities or any others but I'm willing to place bets with you that I can take you on 1 on 1 as any class except for the spy and come out victorious - [B]To show how unbalanced the pyro is.[/B][/QUOTE] Hell, any pyro with Axtinguisher and Degreaser already beat me if I don't see them coming or am slow to the draw. Coupled with 'I can't aim for shit', yes you could easily beat me.

[QUOTE=Meatpuppet;30773780]Also is anyone else's right click really delayed? You can't explode it until it's really far away, even then it has a little delay. [editline]29th June 2011[/editline] I rarely get it to explode[/QUOTE] That sounds really kinky.

[QUOTE=Leaf Runner;30773909]ITT: Bunch of idiots bitching that Valve should have kept it in because it was "fun" despite the fact that it was ridiculously OP and had no place in the game. DEAL WITH IT.[/QUOTE] ITT: You are an ignorant troll. Deal with that.

[QUOTE=Leaf Runner;30773909]ITT: Bunch of idiots bitching that Valve should have kept it in because it was "fun" despite the fact that it was ridiculously OP and had no place in the game. DEAL WITH IT.[/QUOTE] It wasn't just "fun" as you despicably say, It was the fact that we had mobility and it helped us [B]do what the pyro's were meant to do.[/B]

Someone fucking Email Robin or Gabe about this shit. I want to hear this straight from them. I want them to make a blog post explaining IN DETAIL how this would be OP, and how it is more OP than Soldiers and Demomen jumping around with explosives. They rape Pyro in the ass so much its not even funny, Pyro has been reduced to a fire blasting maniac to a class that is almost entirely reliant on unlocks, and the only bone they threw to Pyro mains in the last 6 months has been nerfed before it was even in the actual game. I'm so fucking mad right now I can't even think straight. You give up a hitscan weapon. Thats a decent enough downside. You give up full crits on burning characters. Thats a decent enough downside. You get a weapon that can't even detonate flares consistently. Whoopie. They nerfed its only useful ability to where its worse than FaN jumping and you still take 20% damage. This makes no fucking sense Valve. FUCKING FIX THIS SHIT OR TAKE AWAY THE DAMAGE PENALTY IF YOU'RE GONNA BE GOD DAMN FAGGOTS WITH IT.

[QUOTE=Keyblockor;30773942]It wasn't just "fun" as you despicably say, It was the fact that we had mobility and it helped us [B]do what the pyro's were meant to do.[/B][/QUOTE] You mean rocketjumping? No, I don't think Pyros are meant to rocketjump.

[QUOTE=MrCasual;30774001]Someone fucking Email Robin or Gabe about this shit. I want to hear this straight from them. I want them to make a blog post explaining IN DETAIL how this would be OP, and how it is more OP than Soldiers and Demomen jumping around with explosives. They rape Pyro in the ass so much its not even funny, Pyro has been reduced to a fire blasting maniac to a class that is almost entirely reliant on unlocks, and the only bone they threw to Pyro mains in the last 6 months has been nerfed before it was even in the actual game. I'm so fucking mad right now I can't even think straight. You give up a hitscan weapon. Thats a decent enough downside. You give up full crits on burning characters. Thats a decent enough downside. You get a weapon that can't even detonate flares consistently. Whoopie. They nerfed its only useful ability to where its worse than FaN jumping and you still take 20% damage. This makes no fucking sense Valve. FUCKING FIX THIS SHIT OR TAKE AWAY THE DAMAGE PENALTY IF YOU'RE GONNA BE GOD DAMN FAGGOTS WITH IT.[/QUOTE] Well, with such a big issue, it should be someone who can speak really formal English, and have done some research on why the Flare Jumping without doubt can't be considered OP. It's not enough just to go tell them that it's fine because Demoman and Soldier can do it... Specially since they love those classes. If you as much as dare to imply they are OP, they will rage-delete your mail. All that excludes me from doing it. I'm better at sending them mails regarding more minor issues.

[QUOTE=A B.A. Survivor;30774036]You mean rocketjumping? No, I don't think Pyros are meant to rocketjump.[/QUOTE] [quote] it helps us [B]do what pyro's were mean to do[/B] [/quote] Read the whole thing, pyro's weren't meant for rocket jumping, they were meant for ambushing and the flare helped us alot.

[QUOTE=A B.A. Survivor;30774036]You mean rocketjumping? No, I don't think Pyros are meant to rocketjump.[/QUOTE] Neither was Engineer, but look at him now. It was pretty obvious he refer to ambushing. Something which half the classes currently do better than Pyro, even if the intends was for him to be a champion at doing so. He was also meant to be the champion at close quarter comb- Oh shit... A Demoman just cut my head off with a Skullcutter in close range while I was pointblanking my Flame Thrower to his face, sorry about that guys.

[QUOTE=Benvil;30774062]Well, with such a big issue, it should be someone who can speak really formal English, and have done some research on why the Flare Jumping without doubt can't be considered OP. It's not enough just to go tell them that it's fine because Demoman and Soldier can do it... Specially since they love those classes. If you as much as dare to imply they are OP, they will rage-delete your mail. All that excludes me from doing it. I'm better at sending them mails regarding more minor issues.[/QUOTE] I do see it being a problem in ctf_2fort where you can jump through the hole in the entrance though. [editline]29th June 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Benvil;30774080]Neither was Engineer, but look at him now. It was pretty obvious he refer to ambushing. Something which half the classes currently do better than Pyro, even if the intends was for him to be a champion at doing so.[/QUOTE] Hell, the Tomislav basically made the heavy take the pyro's position in ambushing class.

Honestly this makes me sad I'd prefer it if pyros did flarejump at me so I could just kill them with a rocket rather than having to deal with their airblasts.

As pyro being my most time played class (50 hours apart from 2nd highest), I say I rarely use my secondary weapons as for melee the far less. I just use them rather for emergencies. As the detonator I rather use it for quick getaways or flank my enemies so I won't have to funnel in where I was compromised (pending on the map). :colbert: Also if they really want it to be balance it I rather say they should make it inaccurate, either it's arcing as much as the demo's launcher or not even going perfectly straight. Also perhaps very small amount of time of it's ignition.

That's pretty dumb. Flare jumping was for the most part well received in the beta, if it was unintended and overpowered why the hell did they wait until they patched it into the main game to fix it? With the nerf to Pyros against Demoknights I get the feeling Valve is out of touch with how powerful the Pyro class actually is, it's as if they're still convinced afterburn is devastating.

[QUOTE=Keyblockor;30773849]The Detonator has the attribute of -20% Damage, learn to actually look at the attributes.[/QUOTE] [url]http://wiki.teamfortress.com/wiki/Detonator[/url] Detonator Alt-Click: Detonate flare. +25% Damage to Self Yeah, I'm not seeing it.

[QUOTE=Joey JoJo;30775121][url]http://wiki.teamfortress.com/wiki/Detonator[/url] Detonator Alt-Click: Detonate flare. +25% Damage to Self Yeah, I'm not seeing it.[/QUOTE] You can't use projectiles to jump now, without taking more damage reflecting rockets/nades will be dangerous now.

[QUOTE=Keyblockor;30773942]It wasn't just "fun" as you despicably say, It was the fact that we had mobility and it helped us [B]do what the pyro's were meant to do.[/B][/QUOTE] How do you know exactly what pyros are meant to do? I don't see you on TF2's development team. It was overpowered and unintended, as said by Greg Chirlin himself in the OP.