[QUOTE=SirKai;31254274]Why should I appreciate something I dislike? Updates that spoil a classes already buried in unlocks? Updates that aren't optimized at all and murder in game performance? Updates featuring such radical new additions that it would have been VERY productive to test them in the Beta first? Plus, this new rocket launcher just salts the wound because it makes playing Engie a living hell. Charged sap-shot+any other offensive class and you're shit is ruined and there's not much that can be done about it.
Yes I'm mad, raging, etc. However, I'm perfectly entitled to not appreciate something that I think the game is better off without.[/QUOTE]
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=35TbGjt-weA[/media]
[QUOTE=SirKai;31254369]Sappers can at least be knocked off, and a Spy has to be in range as well. Even though it might be a frustrating situation, I can at least kill the Spy and tend to my stuff. With this, the protection of my buildings is taken totally out of my hands and I'm left basically defenseless. Not to mention the charged shot is a minicrit and doesn't suffer fallout, so I could easily be killed by an unknown Soldier from whoknowswhere AND he manages to sap my shit at the same time.
Why are Spy, Engie, and Pyro even in this game again?[/QUOTE]
Unless the engie is turtling his ass off, it's easier to destroy a sentry with the direct hit, and maybe even the vanilla RL. Stay out of the sentry's range and spam rockets at it, and then it's wrecked. The cow mangler can't do this, but it instead focuses on using teamwork to take down a sentry. Besides, it's not like the soldier can run right up to the sentry and disable it, he has to stay out of it's range and shoot from afar, just like when using the direct hit/vanilla RL. New style of countering the engie =/= OP.
[QUOTE=Bot02;31254809][media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=35TbGjt-weA[/media][/QUOTE]
So you want to leave this planet because someone who's arguing against you has a point? Go ahead, take your broken as hell logic with you. Kai is right, why should he appreciate something he dislikes? Telling someone they should appreciate something they dislike is like saying "Stop complaining, you should appreciate that I'm not charging you to let me punch you in the teeth." Personally, I do like this weapon update, and I do appreciate it, but if someone gets something they don't like, they should not have to appreciate it, and have a right to complain.
I was playing dustbowl defending team, hard as shit because they were charge attacking our sentries and just spamming charge attacks everywhere.
[QUOTE=wug;31255013]I was playing dustbowl defending team, hard as shit because they were charge attacking our sentries and just spamming charge attacks everywhere.[/QUOTE]
Sounds like a job for SUPER-Spy!
[QUOTE=Zannabluke;31246118]Oh god, Soldier with Defiant Spartan and Righteous Bison remind me of Marvin the Martian, from Looney Tunes.
[img]http://cache2.allpostersimages.com/p/LRG/8/862/ZOGJ000Z/posters/looney-tunes-marvin-martin.jpg[/img][/QUOTE] Oh my god. I want to name my laser pistol " Marvin the martians pistol" Now.
[QUOTE=Banjo7J;31254970]So you want to leave this planet because someone who's arguing against you has a point? Go ahead, take your broken as hell logic with you. Kai is right, why should he appreciate something he dislikes? Telling someone they should appreciate something they dislike is like saying "Stop complaining, you should appreciate that I'm not charging you to let me punch you in the teeth." Personally, I do like this weapon update, and I do appreciate it, but if someone gets something they don't like, they should not have to appreciate it, and have a right to complain.[/QUOTE]
Good lord. Valve is an awesome company for giving new weapons all the time. How could you not appreciate that? Plus, the new engi weapons will probably be able to fight against the new soldier weapons better. I'm just saying I love how Valve cares about their community.
[QUOTE=Bragdras;31254528]Bullshit spewed over bullshit.
If there is an enemy team, there is a QUITE LARGE CHANCE there is a friendly team too, the soldier won't be able to destroy your sentry alone with the new weapons, he'll disable them and allow his buddies to destroy them, but from here, it's up to your team to protect you.
And it does suffer from range fallout, beside, it's not because you lost your god damn sentry you're gonna die, you can just backpedal then rebuild it (if it even dies in the first place) 30 seconds later.
And in the latest news, even if you're alone (you deserve to get killed in this case, anyways, unless you're gunslinger), you still have weapons yourself, you don't have to stay behind it and take the abuse like a moron. This setup is very useful in a team environment against wrench sentries, it's pitiful against gunslingers, but you won't realise that until a couple of weeks when you'll be used to it, so go ahead and keep crying until new weapons arrive.
Stop whining, everyone will be accustomed to this weapon in a week, like every fucking other weapons there was and you whined about before being used to them.[/QUOTE]
And yet you're still missing my point. I'm not saying the weapon is grotesquely OP. I do think it's too powerful because it does seem like a substantial upgrade over the stock RL (which is perfectly balanced if you ask me), and its functionality is downright silly since it adopts two previously class-exclusive functions (that's not an inherent matter of balance, it just makes me ask 'wtf?'). I'm not saying I'll never have teammates to help me out of this situation, or that this weapon is an instant win against an Engie with a sentry. Aside from the generally awful in-game optimization of these items, my biggest issue is that the Mangler is basically the Sandman specifically for Engie. Remember how much everyone hated that fucking thing? It crippled players, took control out of their hands and limited their options. That's exactly what the Mangler does. It basically makes me throw up my hands and say "welp, fuck," assuming the rocket blast doesn't kill me outright as well, because if I manage to survive, my options and capabilities have become severely crippled. Sentries are already very easy to counter, so I have no idea why anyone thought this function was productive or necessary.
[QUOTE=Skunky;31250846]Someone needs to make a mummy soldier skin asap![/QUOTE]
Because of a single frame in a taunt animation? I doubt it
[QUOTE=wug;31255013]I was playing dustbowl defending team, hard as shit because they were charge attacking our sentries and just spamming charge attacks everywhere.[/QUOTE]
This is true, in the enclosed end point, you can't hardly see anything for all the masses of particles going
in that small area. For everyone, much less engies, defending Dustbowl there is terribad.
[QUOTE=SirKai;31255243]And yet you're still missing my point. I'm not saying the weapon is grotesquely OP. I do think it's too powerful because it does seem like a substantial upgrade over the stock RL (which is perfectly balanced if you ask me), and its functionality is downright silly since it adopts two previously class-exclusive functions (that's not an inherent matter of balance, it just makes me ask 'wtf?'). I'm not saying I'll never have teammates to help me out of this situation, or that this weapon is an instant win against an Engie with a sentry. Aside from the generally awful in-game optimization of these items, my biggest issue is that the Mangler is basically the Sandman specifically for Engie. Remember how much everyone hated that fucking thing? It crippled players, took control out of their hands and limited their options. That's exactly what the Mangler does. It basically makes me throw up my hands and say "welp, fuck," assuming the rocket blast doesn't kill me outright as well, because if I manage to survive, my options and capabilities have become severely crippled. Sentries are already very easy to counter, so I have no idea why anyone thought this function was productive or necessary.[/QUOTE]
And now the Sandman is no longer as annoying.
[QUOTE=SirKai;31255243]And yet you're still missing my point. I'm not saying the weapon is grotesquely OP. I do think it's too powerful because it does seem like a substantial upgrade over the stock RL (which is perfectly balanced if you ask me), and its functionality is downright silly since it adopts two previously class-exclusive functions (that's not an inherent matter of balance, it just makes me ask 'wtf?'). I'm not saying I'll never have teammates to help me out of this situation, or that this weapon is an instant win against an Engie with a sentry. Aside from the generally awful in-game optimization of these items, my biggest issue is that the Mangler is basically the Sandman specifically for Engie. Remember how much everyone hated that fucking thing? It crippled players, took control out of their hands and limited their options. That's exactly what the Mangler does. It basically makes me throw up my hands and say "welp, fuck," assuming the rocket blast doesn't kill me outright as well, because if I manage to survive, my options and capabilities have become severely crippled. Sentries are already very easy to counter, so I have no idea why anyone thought this function was productive or necessary.[/QUOTE]
I personally think that the Mangler was intended to be a counter against those annoying Wrangler engineers.
[QUOTE=Bot02;31255291]And now the Sandman is no longer as annoying.[/QUOTE]
Which is a good thing. You know why it's no longer annoying? Because people bitched about it.
Yes, Valve is awesome for updating their game. I love that these weapons are easy to craft as well. However, the addition of the Mangler has made my playtime as Engie FAR less fun and my in-game performance has tanked as well. I think it's perfectly acceptable that I not appreciate something that hinders my fun factor.
I just thought about it, but if there is indeed 2 more sets to come, cause of the 2 remaining "grockets", wouldn't it be the perfect time for valve to add that minigun that deflects projectiles? That sounds pretty futuristic, in this context, it almost fits, when you look at the soldier's weaponry in that grocket.
Though I'd be disappointed if the heavy did have something and the engy nothing.
i used the mangler against many engies and still got myself killed by the same sentry
remember that's just 4 seconds of emp time that still isn't a lot
[QUOTE=MrParalegal;31255331]I personally think that the Mangler was intended to be a counter against those annoying Wrangler engineers.[/QUOTE]
Then the function should apply specifically to the wrangler functionality, not the whole Engineer's defining armaments.
[QUOTE=Recurracy;31255396]i used the mangler against many engies and still got myself killed by the same sentry
remember that's just 4 seconds of emp time that still isn't a lot[/QUOTE]
I disagree. It only takes a second for a friendly Heavy to chew it up with his minigun.
[QUOTE=SirKai;31255350]Which is a good thing. You know why it's no longer annoying? Because people bitched about it.
Yes, Valve is awesome for updating their game. I love that these weapons are easy to craft as well. However, the addition of the Mangler has made my playtime as Engie FAR less fun and my in-game performance has tanked as well. I think it's perfectly acceptable that I not appreciate something that hinders my fun factor.[/QUOTE]
It hasn't affected my playtime as Engie because I have teammates by me. Also, I haven't got any performance drops whatsoever. You may need a better computer.
come think of it some empcounters for engie would be nice but extremely situational
[QUOTE=Recurracy;31255396]i used the mangler against many engies and still got myself killed by the same sentry
remember that's just 4 seconds of emp time that still isn't a lot[/QUOTE]
And people still want it nerfed...
[QUOTE=SirKai;31255350]Which is a good thing. You know why it's no longer annoying? Because people bitched about it.
Yes, Valve is awesome for updating their game. I love that these weapons are easy to craft as well. However, the addition of the Mangler has made my playtime as Engie FAR less fun and my in-game performance has tanked as well. I think it's perfectly acceptable that I not appreciate something that hinders my fun factor.[/QUOTE]
You've been playing against this for less than a fucking day, get over it already, you'll get used to it like everyone and people will learn to counter it. Jesus you're so annoying.
[QUOTE=Bragdras;31255394]I just thought about it, but if there is indeed 2 more sets to come, cause of the 2 remaining "grockets", wouldn't it be the perfect time for valve to add that minigun that deflects projectiles? That sounds pretty futuristic, in this context, it almost fits, when you look at the soldier's weaponry in that grocket.
Though I'd be disappointed if the heavy did have something and the engy nothing.[/QUOTE]
...fuck I just remembered about that minigun... Damn.
[QUOTE=Bot02;31255231]Good lord. Valve is an awesome company for giving new weapons all the time. How could you not appreciate that? Plus, the new engi weapons will probably be able to fight against the new soldier weapons better. I'm just saying I love how Valve cares about their community.[/QUOTE]
Again, you fail to see the point of not appreciating something if you don't like it. If you don't like something, why would you appreciate it?
[QUOTE=SirKai;31254593]You're kidding right? Engineer is not designed to be able to stand up against Soldier without his sentry. Oh great, I have a shotgun and pistol. The other guy has a shotgun and a rocket launcher and 60% more HP.[/QUOTE]
At least distract him long enough until your sentry comes back online.
[QUOTE=Skunkrocker;31250422]"We have no good weapons for the Engineer... yet we just made new animations for these Soldier weapons when we could have made new animations for the Engineer to use these weapons. It doesn't make a lot of sense but we're Valve, so fuck you."
I think the TF2 team has lost their fucking minds. First the hats, then artstyle breaking weapons, then the paints 90% of which are awful, free to play nastiest, they're nerfing underpowered weaponry and letting the OP shit go through until people complain, and finally this garbage of giving the Soldier four packs in a row, with a fifth on the way, and still nothing new for the Engineer. I was going to write up a huge "Why?!" on this, with all the details of what they've done for Soldier that they should have done for Engineer, but I'm sure every single point has already been mentioned in this thread. [i]Twice[/i].
No. I won't.
I'm calling for a boycott on Soldier as of this moment. If you main Soldier? Stop. Stop playing Soldier. They want a Soldier? Go Demo. Or Heavy. Fuck, go Engineer if you really wanna help. And when other players ask why explain. Take it a step further and troll Soldier players and tell them why. Fuck it, Valve likes the Soldier so much? How will they like it when there are only EIGHT classes and Soldier isn't one of them, [i]by player choice?[/i] I know I'm not going to even think about the Soldier class until Engineer gets something that isn't a goddamn hat or misc. And no bullshit promotional items either.
Anyway, what the hell is this promoting anyhow? Some new game?[/QUOTE]
Shut up, you're getting way too angry over a video game.
Pretty much no point playing engineer or pyro anymore lol.
I'll just go play soldier I guess, thanks again valve for screwing pyros and engies in new and exciting ways.
[QUOTE=Skunky;31255427]And people still want it nerfed...[/QUOTE]
ridiculous
i played a fair share of soldier and i feel this thing is just weaker than the stock rl though very fun to use
20 damage from afar I think the vanilla's min damage is about 40 or s o
[editline]21st July 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=Empty_Shadow;31255491]Pretty much no point playing engineer or pyro anymore lol.
I'll just go play soldier I guess, thanks again valve for screwing pyros and engies in new and exciting ways.[/QUOTE]
just watch when they both get new crap, we've seen how intruiging this is and i simply feel like making that blunderbuss or a pistol for engie
rocket launcher is cool, and adds a little more to the usual soldier play style (especially with the reserve shooter)
but i can't think of ANY reason to use the pistol
[QUOTE=Empty_Shadow;31255491]Pretty much no point playing engineer or pyro anymore lol.
I'll just go play soldier I guess, thanks again valve for screwing pyros and engies in new and exciting ways.[/QUOTE]
If anything they buffed Engineer. More people are using this laser gun, and that means less sentry killing. :v:
[QUOTE=Corporal Yippie;31255616]rocket launcher is cool, and adds a little more to the usual soldier play style (especially with the reserve shooter)
but i can't think of ANY reason to use the pistol[/QUOTE]
pistol seems ok to me
[QUOTE=Recurracy;31255690]pistol seems ok to me[/QUOTE]
love how it looks and I dig the animations, but its hard as hell to actually kill people with when confronted one on one
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