[QUOTE=AkujiTheSniper;31240409]Why couldn't WETA make Engy weapons? Wouldn't Steampunk fit Engy the most?[/QUOTE]
These aren't really "Steampunk" as much as they are 1950s scifi. And as said before, WETA sent valve concept art which they liked, not vice versa.
I took a chance and got the Mutton Chops #84, my first numbered hat :D
It also looks badass with my armored authority
[QUOTE=Saza;31240349]JI think it's been posted a million and one times: GreenMarine has answered why Soldier and not Engi: BECAUSE THERE AREN'T ENOUGH RESOURCES. IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH VALVE LIKING THE SOLDIER / HATING ENGIE, ETC. IT'S BECAUSE THERE ISN'T ENOUGH RESOURCES[/QUOTE]
I've seen several Engineer contributions that are of higher quality than some of the things that we've seen added officially. Brandon's statement was hypocritical in that light.
The Soldier is the least balance-sensitive class in the game. You could throw a Soldier into any situation and the player could have a moderate amount of success. The class is a generalist, not a specialist. Because of this, it is far easier to make more weapons for the class, however, these current attributes don't seem thought out at all; if anything, it's more like they're experimenting on a live subject instead of using a test subject (TF2Beta) to test the general reactions and how balanced the weapons really are.
Just because the Engineer's buildings are some of the most balance-sensitive things in the game doesn't mean that Valve should shy away from attempting anything. We've seen that they tried stuff out with the Repair Node and eventually got to play with the Gunslinger, but they seem to have stopped trying (at least from a public perspective) to make new and interesting things for the Engineer due to difficulty. If they actually are trying stuff, let [i]us[/i] try it out as well. They've got a perfectly good beta to get a playtesting sample from but they've hardly used that for much aside from voting and replays. The weapon balance features tested in beta get ported over to the game either unchanged despite claims of imbalance or are changed despite there not being any issues with it.
[QUOTE=Pennywise;31240443]We just saw a company give the TF2 guys a couple well done, sci fi-ish, high tech, particle manipulation weapons. And they handed them to the Soldier.[/QUOTE]
The Ray Gun could work on Engineer but I don't see how the Cow Mangler could
[QUOTE=Saza;31240349]Jesus fuck you people are blindly ignorant
I think it's been posted a million and one times: GreenMarine has answered why Soldier and not Engi: BECAUSE THERE AREN'T ENOUGH RESOURCES. IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH VALVE LIKING THE SOLDIER / HATING ENGIE, ETC. IT'S BECAUSE THERE ISN'T ENOUGH RESOURCES[/QUOTE]
I'm going to apply the same logic here as I apply to Demoman and melee weapons.
If they don't want upset Engineer's playstyle, why are they compensating by giving Soldier more stuff?
cowblaster as it is now is OP. It's better than the default in every facet. You have infinite ammo, one extra rocket, and you can get minicrits on demand.
wtf were you thinking valve?
[QUOTE=Rigged237;31240544]cowblaster as it is now is OP. It's better than the default in every facet. You have infinite ammo, one extra rocket, and you can get minicrits on demand.
wtf were you thinking valve?[/QUOTE]
It doens't get crts so is balacned
[QUOTE=A B.A. Survivor;31240576]It doens't get crts so is balacned[/QUOTE]
no, you don't understand how big a deal it is to have one extra rocket. It's pretty huge advantage
oh I forgot to mention the charge blast not only minicrits but also sets your target on fire.
jesus
you can't rocket jump with it, thought I'd share that
[editline]20th July 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=Rigged237;31240613]no, you don't understand how big a deal it is to have one extra rocket. It's pretty huge advantage
oh I forgot to mention the charge blast not only minicrits but also sets your target on fire.
jesus[/QUOTE]
that's if you use the charge shot and it's fuck easy to avoid
[QUOTE=Saza;31240635]you can't rocket jump with it, thought I'd share that
[editline]20th July 2011[/editline]
that's if you use the charge shot and it's fuck easy to avoid[/QUOTE]
Yeah you can, and it feels a lot smoother too
no, you're dumb and objectively wrong. I will trade crits for infinite ammo and +1 rocket any day.
If you do not agree you are wrong and a bad soldier. Do not rely on a roll of the dice to kill your opponent. It's war not a lottery.
[QUOTE=JCDentonUNATCO;31240388]The soldier quickly comes to a saluting stance as if a Drill Sergeant startled him and is chewing him out.[/QUOTE]
and he clicks his heels.
New weapons have 500+ particle effects spewing out of them [IMG]http://bluefirestudios.freeforums.org/images/smilies/emot-barf.gif[/IMG]
Edit: Oh god the mangler projectile peaks at 2000 particles [IMG]http://bluefirestudios.freeforums.org/images/smilies/emot-barf.gif[/IMG][IMG]http://bluefirestudios.freeforums.org/images/smilies/emot-barf.gif[/IMG]
[QUOTE=install gentoo;31240738]New weapons have 500+ particle effects spewing out of them [IMG]http://bluefirestudios.freeforums.org/images/smilies/emot-barf.gif[/IMG][/QUOTE]
TASTE PLASMA MAGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG hl2.exe has stopped working
If you do the charge on the Mangler right as you lose you can fire after the round ends!
fuck, I forgot the charge shot also disables buildings for 4 seconds
tell me it's not OP
DO IT
More particle effects to make my game crash more
Wonderful
[QUOTE=Rigged237;31240855]fuck, I forgot the charge shot also disables buildings for 4 seconds
tell me it's not OP
DO IT[/QUOTE]
It's not OP
It's almost balanced
artstyle -> window
As if it hadn't already gone out the window. Now it's buried 10 feet under.
[QUOTE=slashsnemesis;31240915]artstyle -> window
As if it hadn't already gone out the window. Now it's buried 10 feet under.[/QUOTE]
Except these new weapons look good.
They're just overpowered and BEING CARRIED BY THE WRONG CLASS.
[QUOTE=Saza;31240892]It's not OP
It's almost balanced[/QUOTE]
Pros:
Infinite reserve ammo
5 shots loaded into the chamber
The option to unload a minicrit rocket that deals afterburn and disables buildings.
Downsides:
No random critical hits (joke downside)
Less damage against buildings (mitigated by having teammates destroy the now-disabled sentry)
Now give me a reason to use the stock Rocket Launcher over this.
I bought the pack.
Haters gonna hate, I'm having more fun with these weapons than I have had in TF2 in a while.
Also Mutton Chops + TS Bills = Holy shit it's like I'm Flash Bill-ordon or some shit.
I seriously hope the Engineer gets the pistol somewhere down the road, though. He really needs it.
[QUOTE=TopHatLayton;31240974]Except these new weapons look good.
They're just overpowered and BEING CARRIED BY THE WRONG CLASS.[/QUOTE]
Yes, they look good.
WAY too good. They are overdetailed, and the microdetails noise is just horrifying
hahahah holy fucking shit this new RL is so OP, no random crits is not even a downside considering most servers I play on disable them.
[QUOTE=Psychopath12;31240986]Pros:
Infinite reserve ammo
5 shots loaded into the chamber
The option to unload a minicrit rocket that deals afterburn and disables buildings.
Downsides:
No random critical hits (joke downside)
Less damage against buildings (mitigated by having teammates destroy the now-disabled sentry)
Now give me a reason to use the stock Rocket Launcher over this.[/QUOTE]
twas a joke
[QUOTE=Psychopath12;31240986]Pros:
Infinite reserve ammo
5 shots loaded into the chamber
The option to unload a minicrit rocket that deals afterburn and disables buildings.
Downsides:
No random critical hits (joke downside)
Less damage against buildings (mitigated by having teammates destroy the now-disabled sentry)
Now give me a reason to use the stock Rocket Launcher over this.[/QUOTE]
Rocket jumping for less damage?
Ladies and Gentlemen, behold.. Space Fortress 2. Enjoy your permanent stay.
[QUOTE=Rigged237;31240544]cowblaster as it is now is OP. It's better than the default in every facet. You have infinite ammo, one extra rocket, and you can get minicrits on demand.
wtf were you thinking valve?[/QUOTE]
"lol robin... robin"
"what mayn"
"let's add... steampunk items"
"oh god that sounds awesome"
"and give them overpowered stats"
"oh man but who for?"
"..."
"..."
"soldier"
"HAUAEAHAEUAHEAUH."
The new rl can't even get force-crits. No kritzkreig. No after-round crits, and no random crits. Also does jackshit against buildings. Sure, you have that 4 second thing, but it takes 8 hits to kill a lvl 1 sentry, and unless you have a shotgun/heavy VERY close, you won't be able to do much. And you'll probably be killed anyway.
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