Let's talk about a few changes. 3 days until it happens - Games

Since the non-trading part of Unusual Trading seems to be comprised entirely of "Was/is this a good trade? Please tell soon", you could tell them to post trading in the trading thread and the aforementioned questions thread in Pricecheck. You can already see people who miss the Unusual Trading thread do it, like so: [QUOTE=placeboing;31442682]Looking for Unusual offers. Favorite offer so far is Searing Plasma Toque. I have no idea what the value of different Unusuals are, so that's top offer based on what I personally like.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Lecaf;31467212]Hey I'm new to unusual trading, and I'm looking to buy a hat. Currently this guy is willing to sell me his Capo's Capper with Vivid Plasma effect on it for 3 buds. Is that a good deal or should I try and get lower or search elsewhere?[/QUOTE] (Both posted less than three days ago)

Okay Craptasket, here's 10 reasons I came up with for why FHAIT should be kept and not moved into the trading thread: 1. Giving away items is not trading because you do not receive anything in the trade. 2. Giving away items is done for free, not for profit of any kind. 3. Giving away items does not require bargaining and therefore it does not belong in a thread where bargaining is supposed to happen. 4. Trading requires a buyer and a seller, while raffles or giving things away only require the latter. 5. Giving away items is pointless if it occurs in a thread where there is likely to be one of the same item already being traded for profit. 6. It will disrupt the nature of the trading thread, meaning that every time a raffle occurs, trading will stop, and every time a high value trade occurs, there's a large chance of someone thinking it is a raffle/giveaway. 7. FHAIT is a place for generous people to chat and show off the stuff they've given away, contrast with the gift giving thread, which was done away with temporarily because it was a circlejerk and no gifting was ever done. 8. The trading thread, on the other hand, is for business only, because people expect something in return for the items they are giving away. If someone posts a trade in which they require nothing in return, they will likely be added by so many people that they won't know who deserves the item the most. 9. The issue of people posting offtopic in FHAIT keeps coming up, and there's a simple solution, [I]ban them.[/I] I don't care if you are going to whine about people not learning, [I]keep banning them until they learn.[/I] Pascall said something like this a few pages ago anyway. 10. FHAIT draws people into the TF2 section. When they see that there are actually generous people in this section, they're likely to post more often in it. If it's just merged with the trading thread, along with some of the other changes you've already decided to make, this section of the forums will lose some of its notoriety and become just another section of the Games forum. Edit: I thought of another. The majority of the people who post in this section [I]want you to keep it.[/I] People don't want you to get rid of FHAIT because it's a genuinely good thread filled with genuinely good people. Forcing it upon those people to take their business elsewhere will just make the people who invested so much time into being generous angry at you and anyone who agrees with your decisions.

[QUOTE=Doomish;31494136]Okay Craptasket, here's 10 reasons I came up with for why FHAIT should be kept and not moved into the trading thread: 1. Giving away items is not trading because you do not receive anything in the trade. 2. Giving away items is done for free, not for profit of any kind. 3. Giving away items does not require bargaining and therefore it does not belong in a thread where bargaining is supposed to happen. 4. Trading requires a buyer and a seller, while raffles or giving things away only require the latter. 5. Giving away items is pointless if it occurs in a thread where there is likely to be one already being traded for profit. 6. It will disrupt the nature of the trading thread, meaning that every time a raffle occurs, trading will stop, and every time a high value trade occurs, there's a large chance of someone thinking it is a raffle/giveaway. 7. FHAIT is a place for generous people to chat and show off the stuff they've given away, contrast with the gift giving thread, which was done away with temporarily because it was a circlejerk and no gifting was ever done. 8. The trading thread, on the other hand, is for business only, because people expect something in return for the items they are giving away. If someone posts a trade in which they require nothing in return, they will likely be added by so many people that they won't know who deserves the item the most. 9. The issue of people posting offtopic in FHAIT keeps coming up, and there's a simple solution, [I]ban them.[/I] I don't care if you are going to whine about people not learning, [I]keep banning them until they learn.[/I] Pascall said something like this a few pages ago anyway. 10. FHAIT draws people into the TF2 section. When they see that there are actually generous people in this section, they're likely to post more often in it. If it's just merged with the trading thread, along with some of the other changes you've already decided to make, this section of the forums will lose some of its notoriety and become just another section of the Games forum. Edit: I thought of another. The majority of the people who post in this section [I]want you to keep it.[/I] People don't want you to get rid of FHAIT because it's a genuinely good thread filled with genuinely good people. Forcing it upon those people to take their business elsewhere will just make the people who invested so much time into being generous angry at you and anyone who agrees with your decisions.[/QUOTE] Well said. Most likely if FHaIT is gone, less raffles and gift-givings will actually take place, and eventually dissipate altogether.

[QUOTE=Doomish;31494136]Okay Craptasket, here's 10 reasons I came up with for why FHAIT should be kept and not moved into the trading thread: 1. Giving away items is not trading because you do not receive anything in the trade. 2. Giving away items is done for free, not for profit of any kind. 3. Giving away items does not require bargaining and therefore it does not belong in a thread where bargaining is supposed to happen. 4. Trading requires a buyer and a seller, while raffles or giving things away only require the latter. 5. Giving away items is pointless if it occurs in a thread where there is likely to be one of the same item already being traded for profit. 6. It will disrupt the nature of the trading thread, meaning that every time a raffle occurs, trading will stop, and every time a high value trade occurs, there's a large chance of someone thinking it is a raffle/giveaway. 7. FHAIT is a place for generous people to chat and show off the stuff they've given away, contrast with the gift giving thread, which was done away with temporarily because it was a circlejerk and no gifting was ever done. 8. The trading thread, on the other hand, is for business only, because people expect something in return for the items they are giving away. If someone posts a trade in which they require nothing in return, they will likely be added by so many people that they won't know who deserves the item the most. 9. The issue of people posting offtopic in FHAIT keeps coming up, and there's a simple solution, [I]ban them.[/I] I don't care if you are going to whine about people not learning, [I]keep banning them until they learn.[/I] Pascall said something like this a few pages ago anyway. 10. FHAIT draws people into the TF2 section. When they see that there are actually generous people in this section, they're likely to post more often in it. If it's just merged with the trading thread, along with some of the other changes you've already decided to make, this section of the forums will lose some of its notoriety and become just another section of the Games forum. Edit: I thought of another. The majority of the people who post in this section [I]want you to keep it.[/I] People don't want you to get rid of FHAIT because it's a genuinely good thread filled with genuinely good people. Forcing it upon those people to take their business elsewhere will just make the people who invested so much time into being generous angry at you and anyone who agrees with your decisions.[/QUOTE] I love you.

FHaIT is gonna be axed. Well, this sucks. Now I won't have the chance to enter some raffles because I'm not interested in some threads i.e. Trading threads.

deal with it, lmao

but craptasket i am a whiny tf2 section-goer and i want 20 different threads for all my hat trading and raffling needs!!!

[QUOTE=Craptasket;31495054]deal with it, lmao[/QUOTE] Oh come on, we tried to address your (and I assume other related mods) concerns regarding problems with the thread in an adult manner, and you respond with this? [editline]2nd August 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Kinglah Crab;31495127]but craptasket i am a whiny tf2 section-goer and i want 20 different threads for all my hat trading and raffling needs!!![/QUOTE] Thanks for saying something false to make our request seem ridiculous, that's real nice.

[QUOTE=Craptasket;31495054]deal with it, lmao[/QUOTE] Oh shit they provided legitimate reasons to not axe the thread BACKPEDAL BACKPEDAL BACKPEDAL

[QUOTE=Doomish;31494136]Whiny shitty bullshit[/QUOTE] Dude, you're the reason it's getting shut down. Your and your cronies' offtopic chat is turning the thread into a faggy free for all, and there's barely any gifting happening. You guys saw what happened in the Gift Giving Thread, and the results of that, so why are you reproducing what they did in a different circumstance?? You're only digging your own graves.

[QUOTE=Real Hitler Fag;31495173]Dude, you're the reason it's getting shut down. Your and your cronies' offtopic chat is turning the thread into a faggy free for all, and there's barely any gifting happening. You guys saw what happened in the Gift Giving Thread, and the results of that, so why are you reproducing what they did in a different circumstance?? You're only digging your own graves.[/QUOTE] hey kiddo [img]http://gyazo.com/5ac241e1443863512b71afc77e008c30.png[/img] think about what you say before you say it [editline]2nd August 2011[/editline] take a look at my most recent post in the thread and tell me i'm an offtopic poster i god damn dare you

[QUOTE=Doomish;31495214]hey kiddo [img]http://gyazo.com/5ac241e1443863512b71afc77e008c30.png[/img] think about what you say before you say it[/QUOTE]Congratulations, you invalidated literally none of my points made.

You said I'm an offtopic shitposter and you're as wrong as you can possibly be without having to literally dig a hole and bury yourself in it. I BARELY EVER POST in the Free Hats and Items Thread, I lurk, and I add people when they ask for something. But okay, if you're challenging me, I'll "invalidate" the rest of your points too. There have been at least three raffles in the past five pages, and they have all been completed without a single offtopic discussion. In fact, when it started to happen, people stepped in and put a stop to it before it actually got going. Your claims that the thread is made up of people chatting about things that aren't related to trading are completely FALSE, and you, just like Craptasket, haven't given it more than a single glance before claiming that it doesn't deserve a place in the subforum.

[QUOTE=Real Hitler Fag;31495173]Dude, you're the reason it's getting shut down. Your and your cronies' offtopic chat is turning the thread into a faggy free for all, and there's barely any gifting happening. You guys saw what happened in the Gift Giving Thread, and the results of that, so why are you reproducing what they did in a different circumstance?? You're only digging your own graves.[/QUOTE] Let me just tell you right now that calling those you don't agree with "faggy" doesn't make anyone want to have a civil conversation. Second, you really think there's no gift-giving or raffles to be had? In the past half hour alone I've been in at least 3 raffles and in-game items (strange pain train, and a reclaimed metal to be specific) were given away. Where do you get the idea that nothing goes on there but off-topic chat? [editline]2nd August 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Doomish;31495297]There have been at least three raffles in the past five pages, and they have all been completed without a single offtopic discussion. In fact, when it started to happen, people stepped in and put a stop to it before it actually got going. Your claims that the thread is made up of people chatting about things that aren't related to trading are completely FALSE, and you, just like Craptasket, haven't given it more than a single glance before claiming that it doesn't deserve a place in the subforum.[/QUOTE] Basically this.

how can you people be so obsessed with bunch of cosmetic items in a video game

[QUOTE=Ollih;31495322]how can you people be so obsessed with bunch of cosmetic items in a video game[/QUOTE] That isn't the point and you know it.

[QUOTE=Doomish;31495297]q_q[/QUOTE]Good, you guys have improved slightly then!! If you can go 20 more pages without an offtopic discussion, I'm sure the moderators will consider your petition. (20 pages is usually how long megathreads go without offtopic discussion in other forums)

[QUOTE=Ollih;31495322]how can you people be so obsessed with bunch of cosmetic items in a video game[/QUOTE] I'm not obsessed with virtual items, if I was, I wouldn't be arguing to keep a thread specifically for giving virtual items away to people who need them.

[QUOTE=Craptasket;31495054]deal with it, lmao[/QUOTE] I thought you wanted to talk about the changes, not dodge 10 good reasons on why to keep the thread.

[QUOTE=Real Hitler Fag;31495356]Good, you guys have improved slightly then!! If you can go 20 more pages without an offtopic discussion, I'm sure the moderators will consider your petition. (20 pages is usually how long megathreads go without offtopic discussion in other forums)[/QUOTE] In recent pages there was some off-topic discussion, and posters involved were banned accordingly. What's your point? That there was [B]some[/B] off-topic chat going on at one point, so therefore the entire thread must have been off-topic? [editline]2nd August 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Doomish;31495360]I'm not obsessed with virtual items, if I was, I wouldn't be arguing to keep a thread specifically for giving virtual items away to people who need them.[/QUOTE] Not only that but his comment is a completely ridiculous one. By his logic we should merge all trade, price, item, and raffle threads into one enormous thread as to avoid being "obsessed with virtual items".

[QUOTE=Megafanx13;31495375]In recent pages there was some off-topic discussion, and posters involved were banned accordingly. What's your point? That there was [B]some[/B] off-topic chat going on at one point, so therefore the entire thread must have been off-topic? [editline]2nd August 2011[/editline] Not only that but his comment is a completely ridiculous notion. By his logic we should merge all trade, price, item, and raffle threads into one enormous thread as to avoid being "obsessed with virtual items".[/QUOTE]As I told you, your thread must go for 20 pages with no off-topic discussion to be spared. Good luck.

[QUOTE=Real Hitler Fag;31495402]As I told you, your thread must go for 20 pages with no off-topic discussion to be spared. Good luck.[/QUOTE] and uh who are you???

[QUOTE=Doomish;31494136]Okay Craptasket, here's 10 reasons I came up with for why FHAIT should be kept and not moved into the trading thread: 1. Giving away items is not trading because you do not receive anything in the trade. 2. Giving away items is done for free, not for profit of any kind. 3. Giving away items does not require bargaining and therefore it does not belong in a thread where bargaining is supposed to happen. 4. Trading requires a buyer and a seller, while raffles or giving things away only require the latter. 5. Giving away items is pointless if it occurs in a thread where there is likely to be one of the same item already being traded for profit. 6. It will disrupt the nature of the trading thread, meaning that every time a raffle occurs, trading will stop, and every time a high value trade occurs, there's a large chance of someone thinking it is a raffle/giveaway. 7. FHAIT is a place for generous people to chat and show off the stuff they've given away, contrast with the gift giving thread, which was done away with temporarily because it was a circlejerk and no gifting was ever done. 8. The trading thread, on the other hand, is for business only, because people expect something in return for the items they are giving away. If someone posts a trade in which they require nothing in return, they will likely be added by so many people that they won't know who deserves the item the most. 9. The issue of people posting offtopic in FHAIT keeps coming up, and there's a simple solution, [I]ban them.[/I] I don't care if you are going to whine about people not learning, [I]keep banning them until they learn.[/I] Pascall said something like this a few pages ago anyway. 10. FHAIT draws people into the TF2 section. When they see that there are actually generous people in this section, they're likely to post more often in it. If it's just merged with the trading thread, along with some of the other changes you've already decided to make, this section of the forums will lose some of its notoriety and become just another section of the Games forum. Edit: I thought of another. The majority of the people who post in this section [I]want you to keep it.[/I] People don't want you to get rid of FHAIT because it's a genuinely good thread filled with genuinely good people. Forcing it upon those people to take their business elsewhere will just make the people who invested so much time into being generous angry at you and anyone who agrees with your decisions.[/QUOTE] 1.Good point 2.Reason 1 differently worded 3.Reason 1 differently worded 4.Reason 1 differently worded 5.Good point 6.Reason 5 differently worded 7.If they are truly generous why would they need to show off their generosity? 8.Reason 5 differently worded 9.Agree 10.See 7 I only see 3 good reasons and they for leaving the trading thread alone rather than for keeping FHAIT. I can't really judge FHAIT because I only read it once in a while but when I do I only see number spam, off topic and beggars (best example Humble Bundle which you could get for 0.01$ if you wanted).

[QUOTE=Real Hitler Fag;31495402]As I told you, your thread must go for 20 pages with no off-topic discussion to be spared. Good luck.[/QUOTE] You just said that barely a second ago, is it a legitimate request or what?

[QUOTE=Doomish;31495415]and uh who are you???[/QUOTE] Hitler

[QUOTE=Gurkenpirat;31495426]I only see 3 good reasons and they for leaving the trading thread alone rather than for keeping FHAIT. I can't really judge FHAIT because I only read it once in a while but when I do I only see number spam, off topic and beggars (best example Humble Bundle which you could get for 0.01$ if you wanted).[/QUOTE] That number spam you're describing was a less efficient method of raffling where members chose their slot. The "beggars" coming by is the whole point of the thread, hence the "free hats and items" portion of the title.

[QUOTE=Gurkenpirat;31495426]1.Good point 2.Reason 1 differently worded 3.Reason 1 differently worded 4.Reason 1 differently worded 5.Good point 6.Reason 5 differently worded 7.If they are truly generous why would they need to show off their generosity? 8.Reason 5 differently worded 9.Agree 10.See 7 I only see 3 good reasons and they for leaving the trading thread alone rather than for keeping FHAIT. I can't really judge FHAIT because I only read it once in a while but when I do I only see number spam, off topic and beggars (best example Humble Bundle which you could get for 0.01$ if you wanted).[/QUOTE] I'll give you that a lot of my points are similarly worded, but regardless, they're still good reasons to keep it. People may come up with accurate reasons to get rid of it but I guarantee they'll come from people who have never participated in the thread, and I've yet to see any good ones so far.

[QUOTE=Megafanx13;31495375] Not only that but his comment is a completely ridiculous one. By his logic we should merge all trade, price, item, and raffle threads into one enormous thread as to avoid being "obsessed with virtual items".[/QUOTE] that's actually a good idea, would keep all the shit in one place and people could use the tf2 section to actually discuss tf2

[QUOTE=Doomish;31495415]and uh who are you???[/QUOTE]I'm speaking for the mods. Craptasket has had enough of your guys' whining, so, instead of going batshit on you guys and banning all of you + deleting your thread, he told me to cover for him. 20 pages. Hope you understand.

[QUOTE=Ollih;31495464]that's actually a good idea, would keep all the shit in one place and people could use the tf2 section to actually discuss tf2[/QUOTE] That's a horrible idea. [editline]2nd August 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Real Hitler Fag;31495481]I'm speaking for the mods. Craptasket has had enough of your guys' whining, so, instead of going batshit on you guys and banning all of you + deleting your thread, he told me to cover for him. 20 pages. Hope you understand.[/QUOTE] Really, banning all of us? For what, making a case for our thread in the proper thread for it? I don't buy that for even one second.