September 21, 2011 Beta Patch (Second Misc and Loadout Saving) - Games

What's the "back" misc slot used for? No class has a back misc item besides Scout, and his bag has a special slot, "Scout_Bag" I have a feeling the big update this is linked with will come with a boatload of misc items.

[QUOTE=ned_ballad;32429025]What's the "back" misc slot used for? No class has a back misc item besides Scout, and his bag has a special slot, "Scout_Bag" I have a feeling the big update this is linked with will come with a boatload of misc items.[/QUOTE]Medic does for Quick-Fix, Pyro (possibly for upcoming item).

[QUOTE=Psychopath12;32428152]The cloak delay when using the Enforcer was increased to 1 second from 0.5 seconds. The cloak blink time when using the Saharan Spy item set was increased to 1 second from 0.5 seconds. I know the first one has been discussed before, but the second one I just noticed. The Dead Ringer works way too well with both of those as it is, they don't need to be [i]worse[/i] when [i]not[/i] using the DR.[/QUOTE] Oh jolly. Like I couldn't get enough of DR Spies already. Not like it's already a pretty powerful tool on its own, considering it's a get-out-of-jail-for-free card that can be used both aggressively and defensively and it's even effective if the death feigned is painfully obvious.

If the enforcer debuff continues to be ignored by DR, I propose DR should lose its damage resistance buff when feigning cloak when equipped with the enforcer.

[QUOTE=Cructo;32430053]Nerfing the Saharan Spy set and the Tomislav. Looks like we can't have nice things.[/QUOTE] How did they nerf the Saharan Spy set?

[QUOTE=Cructo;32430053]Nerfing the Saharan Spy set and the Tomislav. Looks like we can't have nice things.[/QUOTE]They're about as nice as a turd on the living room carpet.

I don't understand why the Gunboats are still 60% damage, Its been a whole year and I don't know why they nerfed it down from 75%

[QUOTE=Cructo;32430152]The cloak blink time when using the Saharan Spy item set was increased to 1 second from 0.5 seconds. I heard it was because of comp players.[/QUOTE] Pretty sure they meant the Enforcer, esse.

Can't wait for this update to make it to the main game. I have double misc for some classes but I hope Valve adds some Demoman miscs soon. I only have all-class and the stutter shades for him. The Widowmaker buff should make it more useful as 6 shots is on par with the regular shotgun but with metal adding ability.

[QUOTE=Barobax;32430366]Can't wait for this update to make it to the main game. I have double misc for some classes but I hope Valve adds some Demoman miscs soon. I only have all-class and the stutter shades for him. The Widowmaker buff should make it more useful as 6 shots is on par with the regular shotgun but with metal adding ability.[/QUOTE] One of the positions for misc items to take up is "demoman_bombs" so just be patient.

[QUOTE=Cructo;32430398]And making the Scottish Resistance, Tomislav and Saharan Spy completely useless.[/QUOTE]SR is the only one I don't want them to make weaker. The Tomislav and all set bonuses can burn in a fire for all I care.

So SUF is complaining about how OP the Reserve Shooter is on the Pyro even though the item servers have been down for quite a bit and nobody really has it because as far as I know Valve hasn't given us the items to be tested yet. That's all that one guy needs to motivate him to remove it and everything associated with the Pyro forever. That one singular person at Valve that hates the Pyro.

Are there any hats the Noh Mercy doesn't clip with?

oh god how did this happen i am not good with computers

[QUOTE=Cructo;32430398]And making the Scottish Resistance, Tomislav and Saharan Spy completely useless.[/QUOTE] What did they do to Sahararan Spy? Precious Saharan Spy!

[QUOTE=The Calzone;32430432]So SUF is complaining about how OP the Reserve Shooter is on the Pyro even though the item servers have been down for quite a bit and nobody really has it because as far as I know Valve hasn't given us the items to be tested yet. That's all that one guy needs to motivate him to remove it and everything associated with the Pyro forever. That one singular person at Valve that hates the Pyro.[/QUOTE] I'm not heading back there to convince the blind again, I already wasted enough time doing that just to convince the few people who would [i]read my supporting statements[/i] a better understanding of why it wouldn't be.

[QUOTE=Psychopath12;32430501]I'm not heading back there to convince the blind again, I already wasted enough time doing that just to convince the few people who would [i]read my supporting statements[/i] a better understanding of why it wouldn't be.[/QUOTE] It's a damn crying shame that all Valve ever seems to listen to is SUF, and that's when they even listen. IIRC SUF loved the Detonator in-beta and they still nerfed it.

[QUOTE=Cructo;32430655]Do you honestly believe Valve listens to the community?[/QUOTE] They listen to SUF, they've made that evident. They don't listen too much, though. Makes me wonder why they do beta testing on weapons, they made it pretty clear that they don't give too much of a shit during the Hatless Update when they just dumped all of the beta changes in-game and went back on the ones that SUF exploded about the next day.

[QUOTE=The Calzone;32430582]It's a damn crying shame that all Valve ever seems to listen to is SUF, and that's when they even listen. IIRC SUF loved the Detonator in-beta and they still nerfed it.[/QUOTE]1 person had a hand in nerfing it, everyone else was just fine as it was but no one who had the power of veto spoke against that desire to have it nerfed.

[QUOTE=Cructo;32430398]Saharan Spy completely useless.[/QUOTE] Completely useless my ass, you can still avoid people when you are cloaked. If you bump someone as a spy you're not doing your job right. I want to see some goddamn screens of Noh Mercy equipped with other hats.

[QUOTE=Psychopath12;32430727]1 person had a hand in nerfing it, everyone else was just fine as it was but no one who had the power of veto spoke against that desire to have it nerfed.[/QUOTE] I know, and that seriously pisses me off. Nobody but that one guy disliked it, and they have yet to go back on that guy's decision. From the way Brandon's (Was it him?) e-mail read, it seemed like he wasn't even aware that it was changed until he was asked by you.

I wasn't the guy who asked him about it, you must be mistaken. But we could try bugging Anthony aka Drunken F00l about the Detonator now that he's got a job there :v:

[QUOTE=Psychopath12;32430802]I wasn't the guy who asked him about it, you must be mistaken. But we could try bugging Anthony aka Drunken F00l about the Detonator now that he's got a job there :v:[/QUOTE] My mistake. I already asked Tony about it. He said to not get my hopes up. :( We should all mass PM him until he does it!

Well if we can't have it unnerfed, I'd like an justification at the very least. You can't go around making changes that aren't wanted without some sort of motive, especially after the outcry that followed it's unprecedented nerf. If he claims it was a bug, then he must explain why this "bug" was being encouraged through the progressive changes over the course of the Detonator's lifetime in the tf2beta. If he claims that it was too high, then I want to know why is he the only one who wanted it changed. Ulterior motives, etc etc.

[QUOTE=Psychopath12;32430918]Well if we can't have it unnerfed, I'd like an justification at the very least. You can't go around making changes that aren't wanted without some sort of motive, especially after the outcry that followed it's unprecedented nerf. If he claims it was a bug, then he must explain why this "bug" was being encouraged through the progressive changes over the course of the Detonator's lifetime in the tf2beta. If he claims that it was too high, then I want to know why is he the only one who wanted it changed. Ulterior motives, etc etc.[/QUOTE] Well, you've got a few connections. Why not bug some of your Valve buddies about it?

OH GOD OH YES OH GOD OH YES. I just got home and this is fucking amazing.

how about the other tragedies? Quick-Fix went from 40% to 25% (same as Kritz) when released I don't know what happened to beta Sniper Rifle, but some how it morphed into the abomination known as the Bazaar Bargain. Check the BB out before it was released [quote] 25% charge rate bonus on bodyshot 45% charge rate bonus on headshot 65% charge rate penalty on miss [/quote] Not too bad, right? Starts off normal and then gets worse if you miss, or better if you don't. Also doesn't punish bodyshots. Those stats worked! Why did we test everything if Valve went and changed it all when they were released. Everyone was happy with the Detonator and Beta Sniper Rifle, and yet those were changed. People were unhappy when the Quick-Fix was nerfed the first time (from 50 to 40), and then they go and make it 25 for no reason what so ever.

[QUOTE=ned_ballad;32431051]how about the other tragedies? Quick-Fix went from 40% to 25% (same as Kritz) when released I don't know what happened to beta Sniper Rifle, but some how it morphed into the abomination known as the Bazaar Bargain. Check the BB out before it was released Not too bad, right? Starts off normal and then gets worse if you miss, or better if you don't. Also doesn't punish bodyshots. Those stats worked! Why did we test everything if Valve went and changed it all when they were released. Everyone was happy with the Detonator and Beta Sniper Rifle, and yet those were changed. People were unhappy when the Quick-Fix was nerfed the first time (from 50 to 40), and then they go and make it 25 for no reason what so ever.[/QUOTE] I really agree. The Uber Update's beta weapon releases were SO disappointing. Everyone was content with the way the things worked, and then someone came along and fucked everything up. I'd rather just be given shitty weapons than be given the illusion of testing them. Also what's up with them dumping all of these undocumented changes in to the beta? That's so retarded I can't think straight. The point of the beta is for the testers to know what's going on so that we can test it, and here they go dropping all of these balance changes and just leaving us to figure out what they changed, not even giving us the weapons for testing. I just don't get it.

[QUOTE=The Calzone;32430846]My mistake. I already asked Tony about it. He said to not get my hopes up. :( We should all mass PM him until he does it![/QUOTE] I asked him back when he had a IAMA on reddit. He was mildly supportive of the detonator nerf if I remember correctly.

how is the large luchadore not a misc yet...