September 21, 2011 Beta Patch (Second Misc and Loadout Saving) - Games

[QUOTE=scotty-furs;32459738]This is suddenly looking like a bad thing. Why do they have to add restrictions anyways? Why not just let us equip whatever we want with whatever?[/QUOTE] Have to agree with hell-met... I meant hell-met... They're doing this to keep the game looking official, and so that it doesn't look lazy on the developer's part.

[QUOTE=scotty-furs;32459738]This is suddenly looking like a bad thing. Why do they have to add restrictions anyways? Why not just let us equip whatever we want with whatever?[/QUOTE] These restrictions are in place to prevent clipping, like the Blighted Beak and the Berliner's Bucket or the Honcho's Headgear and the Muttonchops. They're also to prevent things like Double Sunglasses. It's all there just to make the game seem more polished. [QUOTE=smashbrother101;32459962]Have to agree with scotty-furs. They're doing this to keep the game looking official, and so that it doesn't look lazy on the developer's part.[/QUOTE] Why is this a bad thing?

[QUOTE=Rozzy85;32457084]Textures will an alpha mask (for the paint) use the same memory as two textures without masks. Unless they intend to make it paintable at some point it was rather pointless doing it as it offers no benefits. You also got the fact it can only change one colour so you couldn't, for example, have red with red yellow and blue with blue yellow.[/QUOTE] I fail to see how one VTF with 4 channels weighs as much as two VTFs with 3x2 = 6 channels

No more spine chilling skull + villain's veil? That sucks.

[QUOTE=Max of S2D;32460013]I fail to see how one VTF with 4 channels weighs as much as two VTFs with 3x2 = 6 channels[/QUOTE]Mathematically likely.

[QUOTE=DarkHajinMon;32460145]No more spine chilling skull + villain's veil? That sucks.[/QUOTE] I wrote feedback on SUF about the slots. I suggested making the Veil a beard since there's no reason it needs to be a face. Here they were [quote]Anger is a whole head right now It should he Hat + Beard, so you can equip glasses Villain's Veil is a face right now Make it a Beard so you can wear glasses with it. Dragonborn Helmet is a whole head right now Make it a hat + face so you can equip beards (like the Steel Jaw) Pyromancer's Mask is a hat Make it a misc item + beard. Makes it incompatible with the Facade, but still compatible with glasses. Large Luchador is a hat Make it a misc item + face. Bonk Boy is a hat Make it a misc item + face + ears Lord Swain's Beard is a face + beard Make it just a beard, so it's compatible with the Honcho's Headgear and glasses. Plus it doesn't cover anything on his face... Defiant Spartan is a hat Make it hat + face because of glasses clipping Pocket Medic is a Heavy Pocket Make it heavy pocket + badge to eliminate that clipping Spiral sallet is a hat Make it a hat + face Rouge's Coul is a shirt Make it a shirt + arms Berliner's Bucket Helm is a hat Make it a hat + face [/quote]

Nice.

[img]http://img823.imageshack.us/img823/9767/teddyro.png[/img] fuck yes, if only i had a teddy in regular tf2

[QUOTE=Flip pl;32460590][img]http://img823.imageshack.us/img823/9767/teddyro.png[/img] fuck yes, if only i had a teddy in regular tf2[/QUOTE] I know the feeling. I got Ze Goggles in a random gift drop in the beta. If only Valve did something where you could claim your dropped items in regular TF2.

they said months ago they were thinking of ways to transfer your found hats from the beta into the real game. But nothing seems to have come from that. Which is a shame, as I found a Dapper Topper in the beta today D:

Why do people keep saying that the Pyromancer's Mask should be a misc? It'd clip with everything.

Is there any real reason that the Bonk Boy is considered a hat? It would look godlike with so many hats

[QUOTE=Benlecyborg;32460975][url]www.tf2b.com/id/aunt_figg?b=1[/url] YES! YES![/QUOTE] Good god. You're like the Sunspy of the beta.

[QUOTE=The Calzone;32461240]Why do people keep saying that the Pyromancer's Mask should be a misc? It'd clip with everything.[/QUOTE] the clipping isn't as bad as you would think, as least if I remember an image I saw once correctly

[QUOTE=The Calzone;32461240]Why do people keep saying that the Pyromancer's Mask should be a misc? It'd clip with everything.[/QUOTE] Clipping only gets bad when a object goes through one and out the other end. Like with the hustler's hallmark and dangeresque too?

It seems like a stupid idea to add restrictions just because of clipping issues.

[QUOTE=scotty-furs;32461819]It seems like a stupid idea to add restrictions just because of clipping issues.[/QUOTE]no

[QUOTE=AlfieGroove;32461780]Clipping only gets bad when a object goes through one and out the other end. Like with the hustler's hallmark and dangeresque too?[/QUOTE] Yeah, and the horns on the Pyromancer's mask as well as the bit that goes over the top of his head seem like they would go through one end and out the other end of most Pyro hats. Maybe if I saw some pictures I'd be convinced otherwise?

It probably makes it easier for contributors also. Knowing they could make a hat that might cover the eyes a little bit, they can just request Valve restrict face items with it.

[QUOTE=scotty-furs;32461819]It seems like a stupid idea to add restrictions just because of clipping issues.[/QUOTE] Clipping is serious business

[QUOTE=scotty-furs;32461819]It seems like a stupid idea to add restrictions just because of clipping issues.[/QUOTE] Yes, because the combinations that we'd be missing out on are both plentiful and pleasing to the eye.

[QUOTE=Randdalf;32458873]Well... two textures with RGB is 6 images, 1 with RGBA is 4. Just sayin'.[/QUOTE] DXT compression works differently too RGB but if they were uncompressed then yeah it would.

Give Tomislav no damage penalty, but a spread penalty and higher rate of fire. Ever seen those gangster movies? Those fired damned fast.

Not all clipping is noticeable.

[QUOTE=ned_ballad;32460497]I wrote feedback on SUF about the slots. I suggested making the Veil a beard since there's no reason it needs to be a face. Here they were[/QUOTE] I have to disagree with the Pyromancers being a misc. Sure it's a mask so it should be a misc BUT... It would clip horrendously with basically all of his hats so it shouldn't be made a misc. Same can be said for the bonk boy because of it's fins and possibly the Luchadore if you wear it with the toupe and hound dog.

[QUOTE=Maximo13;32461972]Give Tomislav no damage penalty, but a spread penalty and higher rate of fire. Ever seen those gangster movies? Those fired damned fast.[/QUOTE] It was called the Chicago Typewriter for a reason :eng101: If anything, it should have a lower max ammo count as well with faster movement speed while rev'd. Encourage more quick sprays and shit, but I know the community will abuse the fuck out of it somehow anyway.

[QUOTE=NeoDement;32460460]Mathematically likely.[/QUOTE][url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZtea9XsPt4#t=1m45s[/url] Also I don't see what the big deal is with clipping, I'd say it's worth having nice hat combos.

[QUOTE=Vaught;32462018]It was called the Chicago Typewriter for a reason :eng101: If anything, it should have a lower max ammo count as well with faster movement speed while rev'd. Encourage more quick sprays and shit, but I know the community will abuse the fuck out of it somehow anyway.[/QUOTE] Have you seen me type on a typewriter? I love that fucking sound. Damned fast, I tell you.

[QUOTE=ned_ballad;32454626]On the Cow Mangler Other fun changes nobody noticed - Face items can't be worn with glasses - Whole Head items can't be worn with face, glasses, hats or ears - The Minigun, Razorback/Dangershielf, Soldier's Banners and all mediguns now attach to the cosmetic slot "back", which I have a good idea why for most of them, but no idea why for the Minigun. This just means you can't use items that conflict with your back while equipped with those weapons. - The Hotrod is considered a head replacement, not a hat. This means it can't be used with any face changing misc items (like glasses or the googly gazer). - The Halloween masks are whole head, meaning head miscs can't be used - Spine Chilling Skull is considered a "Hat" and a "Face" meaning face miscs can't be used (but beards can) - Foster's Facade isn't a head replacement... it's considered a beard for some reason. I think this is because you can't equip glasses with a whole head change - Heroes Hachimaki is a "Face" item, meaning no glasses can be worn with it - Noh Mercy is a "Face" item, meaning Camera Beard + Noh Mercy is still possible (I think) - Honcho's Headgear, Fez and Houndog are all considered hats and glasses, meaning no other glasses can be equipped. - Pocket medic is a pocket item, and can be worn with badges (lol clipping) - Lord Cockswane's Beard is a face and beard item, meaning no Hachimaki and the Beard (not that most people would do that combo anyway). This sadly means it isn't equippable with the Honcho's Headgear - Mask of Shaman is a whole head change, meaning no cosmetics on the face can be worn at all - Same for Dragon Born Helmet - Same for Anger (no more Villain's Veil + Anger) - Some kind of "Expiration Date" was added as an attribute - Most references to sockets have been removed - Steel jaw is a beard lol In my opinion, Valve is aggressively going after bad clipping and making items that don't go together restrictive. I believe such a change will allow a little more freedom for model makers, as items that may clip with cosmetics (hi Blighted Beak), can just have that cosmetic turned off.[/QUOTE] Can I still wear Deus specs + Spin chilling skull? I like the way that combo looks.

[QUOTE=Max of S2D;32460013]I fail to see how one VTF with 4 channels weighs as much as two VTFs with 3x2 = 6 channels[/QUOTE] DXT uses indexed colour kind of like GIF but not quite the same. For a 512x512 texture, a single colour texture is 170KB. Add an alpha mask and it doubles to 341KB.