September 21, 2011 Beta Patch (Second Misc and Loadout Saving)

[mixshifter]

[QUOTE=Cructo;32524605]Why did they nerf the Backburner?[/QUOTE]
Because the whole point of the damn Backburner is to ambush, and to assure you make good use of the crits you get via hitting from behind.

With 10% bonus, you might as well W+M1.

[Ern]

[QUOTE=Max of S2D;32525079]in my opinion, the degreaser's airblast pushback scale should be reduced as well[/QUOTE]
That would just make it easier for Pyros to Puff 'N' Sting.

[Eriorguez]

[QUOTE=mixshifter;32527738]Because the whole point of the damn Backburner is to ambush, and to assure you make good use of the crits you get via hitting from behind.

With 10% bonus, you might as well W+M1.[/QUOTE]

Right now, W+M1 with the Backburner is only 10% more effective that doing so with the Degreaser. Not to mention, the point of the PYRO is to ambush, the Backburner as it is is the best ambushing primary it has, and the extra crits are just a bonus for perfect ambushes. Otherwise, it is the vanilla Flamethrower with a much worse airblast, and a downgrade from the degreaser.

[mixshifter]

[QUOTE=Eriorguez;32528605]Right now, W+M1 with the Backburner is only 10% more effective that doing so with the Degreaser. Not to mention, the point of the PYRO is to ambush, the Backburner as it is is the best ambushing primary it has, and the extra crits are just a bonus for perfect ambushes. Otherwise, it is the vanilla Flamethrower with a much worse airblast, and a downgrade from the degreaser.[/QUOTE]
The point of the Pyro is to generally ambush, not to ambush from behind. The Backburner rewards for doing so as opposed to his other flamethrowers.

[Eriorguez]

You seem to forget that ambushes from the front are a bit hard to do.

The Backburner was introduced as the less versatile, more powerful flamethrower, that would be utterly devastating when doing a perfect ambush. Taking the more powerful aspect away will make it a worse Flamethrower except in VERY situational moments. And the flamethrower is already a worse Degreaser.

[TheJoey]

[QUOTE=Eriorguez;32529153]You seem to forget that ambushes from the front are a bit hard to do.

The Backburner was introduced as the less versatile, more powerful flamethrower, that would be utterly devastating when doing a perfect ambush. Taking the more powerful aspect away will make it a worse Flamethrower except in VERY situational moments. And the flamethrower is already a worse Degreaser.[/QUOTE]

It's called a sidegrade. It's good in certain situations and with certain tactics, but some weapons are better for others.

As it stands if you have a Backburner or a Degreaser you have no reason to choose the flamethrower. It's either more damage for less airblast or equal damage (less afterburn damage but who cares?) for more airblast. If you use the flamethrower, with the backburner as it currently is (in not-beta), you are at a disadvantage when facing backburner pyros.

[TheCalzone]

I hate how the Pyro was originally supposed to be the "King of Close-Range," and now it's really hard to even get in to close-range and even if you do you're probably going to die to a Demoman using a sword.

And now we're getting a weapon based around the Airblast entirely, which is fine and dandy but I want to kill things with fire as the Pyro, I don't want to sit around blowing people all round.

Know what needs to get in-game? The Firkin Flamer from the AW. That would be pretty awesome.

[Eriorguez]

[QUOTE=TheJoey;32529260]It's called a sidegrade. It's good in certain situations and with certain tactics, but some weapons are better for others.

As it stands if you have a Backburner or a Degreaser you have no reason to choose the flamethrower. It's either more damage for less airblast or equal damage (less afterburn damage but who cares?) for more airblast. If you use the flamethrower, with the backburner as it currently is (in not-beta), you are at a disadvantage when facing backburner pyros.[/QUOTE]

I wouldn't call that kind of weapon sidegrade: If we have 3 weapons with the same DPS, the one that eats secondary fire at an obscene rate to get crits from a very situational position would be inferior to the standard one, and the one that deals less indirect damage to be able to be FAR better at comboing weapons would be superior.

The backburner is not the one needing a nerf; in fact, it is pretty much the sole balanced Pyro primary.

[ned_ballad]

[img]http://i1129.photobucket.com/albums/m519/CidTheNinja/20j4rup.png?t=1302657227[/img]

Why is this is a misc item? What is the point, it doesn't work with anything...

[Ern]

[QUOTE=ned_ballad;32530671][img]http://i.imgur.com/qUXjD.jpg[/img]
[/QUOTE]

Saxton Ha- SWEET JESUS WHAT THE FUCK IS THAT

[ned_ballad]

note that actual combo isn't possible in the beta (bag is a whole head).

I was stalking around Polycount and that was on one of the old pages when the item first came out, and I thought it was relevant.

[Ern]

On another note, I can see the Hornless Model fixing a lot of those clipping issues, but not all.
I'm looking at you, Fez

Also, the Noh Mercy looks awesome with the Mannco. Cap

[ned_ballad]

fez would be super, super easy to fix

Just add

"equip_regions"
{
"hat" "1"
"glasses" "1"
}

BOOM clipping is gone

[Ern]

[QUOTE=ned_ballad;32530868]fez would be super, super easy to fix

Just add

"equip_regions"
{
"hat" "1"
"glasses" "1"
}

BOOM clipping is gone[/QUOTE]

Does that bring the glasses more forward on his face, or does it do something else?

Also, Is it just me, or are Allclass hats like the Mannco. Cap broken in itemtest?

[ned_ballad]

it makes it so you can't equip the Noh Mercy and Fez at the same time :)

[Eriorguez]

But the mask with the sunglasses is awesome... Sorta.

[mixshifter]

[QUOTE=ned_ballad;32530671][img]http://i1129.photobucket.com/albums/m519/CidTheNinja/20j4rup.png?t=1302657227[/img]

Why is this is a misc item? What is the point, it doesn't work with anything...[/QUOTE]
stone-aged max head

[Sai]

Looks boss with the Bill's hat.

[Scotty_]

[QUOTE=ned_ballad;32530671]-image of horrors-

Why is this is a misc item? What is the point, it doesn't work with anything...[/QUOTE]
The Bill's Hat clips small enough for me to be happy.
Except for ned_ballad trying his best to screw me over.

[TentuZero]

I have yet to see the noh mercy on a chapeau.

[NeoDement]

[QUOTE=scotty-furs;32531639]The Bill's Hat clips small enough for me to be happy.
Except for ned_ballad trying his best to screw me over.[/QUOTE]So because it barely clips with ONE of his many hats, it should be allowed? What the fuck

[Joyful Mystery]

You know what, I don't think I've seen the Noh Mercy with the Spiral Sallet yet...is that a good combo?

[marden]

I'm not sure if I'm the only one who noticed but Noh Mercy and the M. Mullet make a cool combo.

[TheVoidDragon]

[QUOTE=ned_ballad;32530671][img]http://i1129.photobucket.com/albums/m519/CidTheNinja/20j4rup.png?t=1302657227[/img]

Why is this is a misc item? What is the point, it doesn't work with anything...[/QUOTE]

Was hoping it would be usable with the fedora, but i wonder if it will work with the cosa nostra?

[Maruhai]

[QUOTE=nightlord;32534981]Was hoping it would be usable with the fedora, but i wonder if it will work with the cosa nostra?[/QUOTE]
[url]http://steamcommunity.com/id/maruhai/screenshot/596949433675723485[/url]

[COSTA]

I never asked the Noh Mercy to be a Misc, god damn why did they listen to SPUF

[Corporal Yippie]

oh my.... graphical errors in my Video Game Hats.... ugh fuck my life Lazy Valve

[ned_ballad]

[QUOTE=COSTA;32539097]I never asked the Noh Mercy to be a Misc, god damn why did they listen to SPUF[/QUOTE]
And now they're NOT listening to SUF
[url]http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2138123[/url]

[TheVoidDragon]

[QUOTE=Maruhai;32538812][url]http://steamcommunity.com/id/maruhai/screenshot/596949433675723485[/url][/QUOTE]

Guess i'll have to think of something else then...

[COSTA]

I just want my noh mercy and speks combo :c

That and Hotrod + Googly Gazer