[QUOTE=gta-man12345;25269178]I dont get what "scamming" means for valve, i mean, both persons clicked the "check" button and then the "trade" button. I dont see scamming there.[/QUOTE]
Tricking stupid people into trading them their weapon in return for having it painted or renamed for free isn't scamming? Do you even know what it is?
[QUOTE=Chrille;25269096]They have feelings too! Seriously, people complaining about scammers getting punished, what the fuck.[/QUOTE]
It's not so much the fact that they're being punished as much as it is the fact that at present it is a completely absurd punishment somewhat similar to how it is an absurd punishment to cut someone's hand off for stealing. Before anyone gives me shit for that comparison I would like to say that the only similarity I am pointing out is the fact that both involve a punishment that is much more severe than is called for.
[QUOTE=Chrille;25269226]Tricking stupid people into trading them their weapon in return for having it painted or renamed for free isn't scamming? Do you even know what it is?[/QUOTE]
What we are saying is those people should have had enough sense to get some collateral or not put so much trust into a complete stranger and not traded.
My friend gave me a free Bonk helm.
I better not get fucking suspended for that!
[QUOTE=Dispenser;25269228]It's not so much the fact that they're being punished as much as it is the fact that at present it is a completely absurd punishment somewhat similar to how it is an absurd punishment to cut someone's hand off for stealing. Before anyone gives me shit for that comparison I would like to say that the only similarity I am pointing out is the fact that both involve a punishment that is much more severe than is called for.[/QUOTE]
Well the article [i]did[/i] say that they were looking for a less severe method.
[QUOTE=Dispenser;25269228]What we are saying is those people should have had enough sense to get some collateral or not put so much trust into a complete stranger and not traded.[/QUOTE]
Not all people are equally smart y'know, and Valve doesn't want to teach them how to look out for scammers with TF2; they're looking to protect customers from having a bad experience or face a potential loss.
[QUOTE=Chrille;25269287]Well the article [i]did[/i] say that they were looking for a less severe method.[/QUOTE]
Back to my thief comparison, say I am a thief to have my hand cut off for stealing the fact that they are looking into better solutions doesn't really do me much good right now.
[QUOTE=Chrille;25269287]Not all people are equally smart y'know, and Valve doesn't want to teach them how to look out for scammers with TF2; they're looking to protect customers from having a bad experience or face a potential loss.[/QUOTE]
They could face even more loss if they end up banning several long time customers until they get a better system down.
[QUOTE=Dispenser;25269418]Back to my thief comparison, say I am a thief to have my hand cut off for stealing the fact that they are looking into better solutions doesn't really do me much good right now.[/QUOTE]
So they'll just have to stop scamming until then. There isn't much to do about it, but it isn't a complicated system and it's not hard to abide by.
[QUOTE=Dispenser;25269418]They could face even more loss if they end up banning several long time customers until they get a better system down.[/QUOTE]
They're also looking to provide customers with good experiences, getting scammed isn't one of them. That and the fact that good customers (i.e. people who just play the game) are wanted more than bad customers.
[QUOTE=Chrille;25269559]So they'll just have to stop scamming until then. There isn't much to do about it, but it isn't a complicated system and it's not hard to abide by.
They're also looking to provide customers with good experiences, getting scammed isn't one of them. That and the fact that good customers (i.e. people who just play the game) are wanted more than bad customers.[/QUOTE]
I'm not just talking about Tf2 here. At present they are talking about banning entire accounts which could drive off big buyers in favor of more small time ones. I for one have at least a couple hundred dollars in games on steam and look to get even more. I'm sure Valve would hurt a lot more if they started losing customers like me as opposed to ones that own the orange box and little else. I don't think it will be [I]too[/I] big a deal but I need to kill some time.
This guy really wanted a Dead Ringer, without asking him to do so he slapped a Vintage Vintage Merryweather in the trade box and ticked.
Does this make me a scammer? :3:
Wow, if someone is dumb enough to fall for something like that, though luck. They will know better next time.
If you "scam" someone, or make a good deal (one weapons for a hat :v:), well, also their fault, not mine.
If you however lie to someone, they should just give them the item back and maybe a warning like "If you scam again you will be VAC banned for 1 day"
And if you do it again, another day, etc.
No need to ban people for month, or completly. Or even disable their account.
[QUOTE=Rong;25263451]You make me sick.[/QUOTE]
you have a weak stomach
If you do get disabled post it here.
[QUOTE=Dispenser;25269228]What we are saying is those people should have had enough sense to get some collateral or not put so much trust into a complete stranger and not traded.[/QUOTE]
What I personally think, is that people who scam like that are worth getting their accounts shut down for being dishonorable cunts :3:
Well sucks to be this guy:
[url]http://www.tf2items.com/profiles/76561198015065727[/url]
I maybe have 60-ish hats, but I didn't scam.
I wonder if Valve will get after me because of my "Community Nerdburner" :ohdear:
[QUOTE=windwakr;25271413]I'd destroy it if I were you, seeing how much of assholes the TF2 team are now.[/QUOTE]
So are the assholes the ones that ban scammers from their own games, or the ones that draw irrational conclusion based on their own butthurt sense of what's fair and call other people assholes?
This is really fucking stupid. In all honesty, it is the most retarded thing Valve has ever done. PAST RICOCHET.
Disabling an account with thousands of dollars of games for a most-likley loyal customer because of ONE kid who traded his Ten Gallon for a Fish like a retard is really stupid Valve.
It's pretty damn hard to get scammed.
I mean, you'd have to be pretty damn dense. You both have to check off the trade box, then BOTH push the big TRADE button. Giving you plenty of oppertunity to double check the trade.
[QUOTE=Eva-1337;25272537]It's pretty damn hard to get scammed.
I mean, you'd have to be pretty damn dense. You both have to check off the trade box, then BOTH push the big TRADE button. Giving you plenty of oppertunity to double check the trade.[/QUOTE]
x1000000000 this
Thats exactly my point Eva
Which is why I believe that the only thing that should happen if someone is TRULY ripped off is that they get refunded their items, not their steam account be disabled.
Solution: when you trade something to someone so they'll paint/name it, take one of their favorite hats as collateral. They'll be less tempted to run off without getting it back.
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If they refuse to let you borrow one of their hats they're obvious con men
by the way if you have 'thousands of dollars of games' on steam then you are a really really sad person
[QUOTE=DuncanFrost;25272801]by the way if you have 'thousands of dollars of games' on steam then you are a really really sad person[/QUOTE]
and what does that have to do with anything? :frog:
Holy shit, so much end of the world nonsense in this thread. Valve is not going to ban your entire account, because one whiny kid didn't like the trade in retrospect. Valve is a business, and they understand the losses of losing paying customers. The deactivating account bit probably refers to the the final chance that a scammer may receive.
You guys trust Valve with hundreds of dollars, and a working digital distribution system, but you don't trust them to take care of scammers. Silly.
Lets look at it this way: You shouldn't be trying to scam in the first place. I see where most of you guys are coming from but I think you're exaggerating a bit. Honestly this just prevents scamming from happening and I'm pretty sure they acknowledge what's gifting and what's scamming.
This sounds like a poor idea to me. Player protection programs such as VAC have traditionally been systemic, infallible, and free of human intervention. Judging "scam" trades will always be subjective, as decision-making is left up to humans. When Valve's player protection absolutely has to utilize humans (such as when they work to recover stolen or 'hacked' accounts) it's done with great care and detail - there's no way they have enough resources to apply this same amount of care to countless reports of potential TF2 trading scams. There's also harsh reality that people will abuse the scam report system.
If I were in charge, I wouldn't have greenlighted this. There's way too much room for error and imprecision.
Here's my solution: Write a general blog post warning players against scams, summarizing how to spot suspicious activity and what not to fall for. Inform players that they are responsible for their own items. It seems like Valve is scared of losing playerbase loyalty with the controversial microtransaction implementation, and are seizing this opportunity to defend the poor, weak, downtrodden victims of scams.
I'm afraid to go into TF2 now. I mean It's starting to be like Xbox Live where you get banned from service for swearing on some halo server where a live moderator played. Or having a funny nickname. Or stating that you are gay in your bio.
[QUOTE=Patcher;25273139]I'm afraid to go into TF2 now. I mean It's starting to be like Xbox Live where you get banned from service for swearing on some halo server where a live moderator played. Or having a funny nickname. Or stating that you are gay in your bio.[/QUOTE]
And how are these equivalent to scamming?
They can't do anything if someone offered.
Someone offered me hats for Max's severed head, I said no, then he offered me 6 hats for it.
[QUOTE=dzonint;25270489]Well sucks to be this guy:
[url]http://www.tf2items.com/profiles/76561198015065727[/url]
I maybe have 60-ish hats, but I didn't scam.[/QUOTE]
120 hats WTF?
[QUOTE=teeheeV2;25265445]Buy valve is valve and listens to it's people, mainly SPUF. What is the average age in the TF section?[/QUOTE]
13 year olds who play mario kart.
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