BETA UPDATE 27/1/2012 - Games

Heavy nerfs are good and I'll let you know why: Tomislav: Previously wasn't used as a stealthy minigun but rather a "jump into 5 guys head on and wreck their shit before they can react" minigun. Now with the tomislav not having the ridiculous spin-up time, its more of the sneaky weapon it should be, you could sneak behind some guys, spin-up as you walk around the corner with no loud noises alerting them. Makes you a tad weaker overall and more so at range. (Also you use ammo slower, which means you can go longer without an ammo pack). Sandvich: It is rare to see someone using this to heal to full health, but rather just throwing it at their feet and getting right back into combat. This was op and gave the heavy no reason to use anything other than the sandvich. He can still use it to help his medic or other team mates, but makes it so he can't just shake off rockets without alerting nearby people that the heavy is using the sandvich (which usually causes people like me to plant 3 or so stickies at his feet.

[QUOTE=ColossalSoft;34423308]They nerfed my gun again? Fuck, Valve. Leave Tommy alone. A lot of work went into making that and it should at least be useful.[/QUOTE] wow two of my weapons don't even have stats stop your fucking whining

Oh shit, it did affect decloak. Huh, that would be a pretty stark change, eh? Its a stronger gun, but if you need to defend yourself when decloaking, tough luck. Oh well, so much for the Enforcer being a poor man's Ambassador. Maybe I'll go back to Ambassador, getting headshot kills is so much more satisfying than plugging OP bullets into people

It really seems like a missed opportunity to test out more stat variations - particularly on the Tomislav. Something like: Tomislav Beta 1: -20% faster spinup -Silent spinup -20% slower firing speed Tomislav Beta 2: -20% faster spinup -Silent spinup -20% less ammo Tomislav Beta 3: -30% faster weapon switching -Silent spinup -20% slower firing speed I don't know, I just pulled those stats out of my ass, but there's so much room for testing.

jeez valve, yea, the Tomislav is overpowered, but brutally murdering the thing didn't need to happen does Valve really think the silent spin up was what made people use Tomislav? Does anyone even care about that?

[QUOTE=ned_ballad;34423602]jeez valve, yea, the Tomislav is overpowered, but brutally murdering the thing didn't need to happen does Valve really think the silent spin up was what made people use Tomislav? Does anyone even care about that?[/QUOTE] True but the fast spinup in it self was a pretty bad idea, hopefully they do something more to promote ambushing with it rather than it making it impossible to ambush the heavy.

[QUOTE=ColossalSoft;34423308]A lot of work went into making that and it should at least be useful.[/QUOTE] Is that why it doesn't even have a spec map?

[QUOTE=ColossalSoft;34423308]They nerfed my gun again? Fuck, Valve. Leave Tommy alone. A lot of work went into making that and it should at least be useful.[/QUOTE] Hahaha fuck off, the shit has a poor ass texture and a bad AO, let alone the wasted polys on the barrel and ammo drum. Oh and do we have to remind you of the fedora edit? Quit whining.

[QUOTE=Sparkwire;34423667]Is that why it doesn't even have a spec map?[/QUOTE] Keep your modelling elitism to the Emporium and Workshop kthx [QUOTE=eddy-tt-;34423711]Hahaha fuck off, the shit has a poor ass texture and a bad AO, let alone the wasted polys on the barrel and ammo drum. Oh and do we have to remind you of the fedora edit? Quit whining.[/QUOTE] You too, except I don't think you model.

[QUOTE=Ern;34423714]Keep your modelling elitism to the Emporium and Workshop kthx [/quote] But this is fun to watch.

[QUOTE=Ern;34423714]You too, except I don't think you model.[/QUOTE] [url]http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=268[/url] [url]http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=4280[/url] [url]http://www.gamebanana.com/tf2/skins/85383[/url] [url]http://www.gamebanana.com/tf2/skins/87878[/url] [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0AmTTRfxT7Q[/url] [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b3ibqRqrFSk[/url] Rude.

[QUOTE=ColossalSoft;34423308A lot of work went into making that and it should at least be useful.[/QUOTE] Shame the same can't be said of the Family Business and Capo's Caper. God damn ninjas

Oh boy. [img]http://sae.tweek.us/static/images/emoticons/emot-munch.gif[/img]

You think a community of modelers would be more supportive of each other but somehow each thread ends in some mass debate. Anyhow what bothers me the most is that Valve is spending time on nerfing weapons as opposed to fixing gameplay effecting glitches that nerf weapons like the Kunai and all its overheal bugs.

[QUOTE=eddy-tt-;34423749][url]http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=268[/url] [url]http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=4280[/url] [url]http://www.gamebanana.com/tf2/skins/85383[/url] [url]http://www.gamebanana.com/tf2/skins/87878[/url] Rude.[/QUOTE] Goddamn, websites and models. What else do you do?

Am I the only one that read the thread title as "BEST UPDATE" instead of "BETA UPDATE"? On a more thread-related note, doesn't this make the Tomislav completely useless? Now it just does less damage then the regular minigun, and I really don't think that's worth the silent spin up.

[QUOTE=Ern;34423771]Goddamn, websites and models. What else do you do?[/QUOTE] Hardcore porn.

Colossal's only 6 years old. I wish I could have modelled even half as good as that when I was 6. Eddy's sour.

[QUOTE=NeoDement;34423791]Colossal's only 6 years old. I wish I could have modelled even half as good as that when I was 6. Eddy's sour.[/QUOTE] Actually, 14. Good for 14, but the broken animations of the family business and laziness of the capo is just..... wow I feel like an asshole I'll shut up now

[QUOTE=NeoDement;34423791]Colossal's only 6 years old. I wish I could have modelled even half as good as that when I was 6. Eddy's sour.[/QUOTE] Will admit I envy the fact he got stuff in but I'm always a sadistic fuck who will pick shit apart, I do it with my own work, hence why I hardly ever finish or release anything.

[QUOTE=ned_ballad;34423602]does Valve really think the silent spin up was what made people use Tomislav? Does anyone even care about that?[/QUOTE]Maybe not but they're going to have to care about it now if they want to use it. Faster spin-up was way too good. Also now they can use the weapon as it was intended instead of "kill everyone before they can react". That's a good thing.

[QUOTE=Justnobody;34423821][B]Actually, 14.[/B] Good for 14, but the broken animations of the family business and laziness of the capo is just..... wow I feel like an asshole I'll shut up now[/QUOTE] I heard he was like, 4.

It was sarcasm, you assholes. I regret that entire pack. No hard work was really put into it and we really could have and should have done better. But it really does suck that it's getting a nerf this bad. Maybe a slight nerf would be fine, but completely removing the only good part about it is a really dick thing to do. And no, SNIPA is 14. I'm 17.

[QUOTE=ColossalSoft;34423892]I regret that entire pack. No hard work was really put into it and we really could have and should have done better.[/QUOTE] So do it better. There's nothing stopping you. Maybe it'll get a lot of people off your case :rolleye:

Make fixes to it, re-submit, email Valve and wait It's been done before. The Pocket Medic was just fixed last patch because the contributors went ahead and fixed the problems. I think really the Tomislav needs the most work. The Family Business is fine for the most part (even Valve's weapons have that reload bug), and the Eviction Notice is alright, could be better, but nothing I can really complain about.

ITT modders who are in love with themselves. Is it really freaking neccessary to slam someone because they are a little upset their effort has been put to waste and you think their items are shit?

There needs to be a universal agreement, that in order to convey sarcasm in typing, you repeat letters of the word you're typing like how you would drag on pronouncing a word while using a sarcastic tone.

[QUOTE=ned_ballad;34423924]Make fixes to it, re-submit, email Valve and wait It's been done before. The Pocket Medic was just fixed last patch because the contributors went ahead and fixed the problems.[/QUOTE] They've resubmitted the Capo's Capper long ago, Valve just haven't added it.

[QUOTE=gamerman345;34423925]ITT modders who are in love with themselves. Is it really freaking neccessary to slam someone because they are a little upset their effort has been put to waste and you think their items are shit?[/QUOTE] Look up a few posts, the creator is admitting that it is shit.

We did fix the Family Bidniz and the hat. But Valve didn't update the hat because they're getting paid for it. And they probably won't fix the FB. We're putting a lot of work into our new Circus Pack (besides the pyro gas mask, that thing was made a long ass time ago and we're tired of looking at it). We may even be making a map possibly sorta probably won't but might slightly.