Well, the Equalizer nerf never happened, so maybe this wont.
The sandvich nerf is ridiculous. Making it only work for the heavy with the left click is not a very good idea. Forcing the slowest, biggest class hide in the middle of a battle to heal himself for 4 seconds is hardly a good idea.
[QUOTE=NeoDement;34423961]They've resubmitted the Capo's Capper long ago, Valve just haven't added it.[/QUOTE]
not to the workshop
as far as I know, if it's not in the workshop, it might as well not exist.
[QUOTE=ColossalSoft;34423975]But Valve didn't update the hat because they're getting paid for it.[/QUOTE]
Making sure people see this.
[QUOTE=Zero_;34423976]Well, the Equalizer nerf never happened, so maybe this wont.
The sandvich nerf is ridiculous. Making it only work for the heavy with the left click is not a very good idea. Forcing the slowest, biggest class hide in the middle of a battle to heal himself for 4 seconds is hardly a good idea.[/QUOTE]
Giving the class with the most health in the game a portable medpack that heals half of his healthpool is such a great idea, right?
[QUOTE=Zero_;34423976]Well, the Equalizer nerf never happened, so maybe this wont.
The sandvich nerf is ridiculous. Making it only work for the heavy with the left click is not a very good idea. Forcing the slowest, biggest class hide in the middle of a battle to heal himself for 4 seconds is hardly a good idea.[/QUOTE]
Wow, you would have never lasted during the Heavy Update then
[QUOTE=ColossalSoft;34423991]Making sure people see this.[/QUOTE]
I fail to see how that makes any sense.
[QUOTE=ColossalSoft;34423991]Making sure people see this.[/QUOTE]
Would it be possible to negotiate with them such that you are doing it for non-profit? The creators of the Ebenezer and Holiday Headcase didn't get paid for their items because they agreed to those terms. I don't speak legalese, so there's probably some other complications that I'm unaware of. But you can still inquire if it'd be possible to update it for them, even if you didn't get paid royalties for it.
You already made the updated version, so you don't really have anything to lose at this point.
[QUOTE=ColossalSoft;34423991]Making sure people see this.[/QUOTE]
I'm not quite sure Valve is really making enough money these days from the hat that this would break them.
[QUOTE=Psychopath12;34424028]Would it be possible to negotiate with them such that you are doing it for non-profit? The creators of the Ebenezer and Holiday Headcase didn't get paid for their items because they agreed to those terms. I don't speak legalese, so there's probably some other complications that I'm unaware of. But you can still inquire if it'd be possible to update it for them, even if you didn't get paid royalties for it.[/QUOTE]
Speaking of which, it'd be nice if they retro-fitted all the donated hats of the past with "Donated by:" on it. So like the Wiki Cap, those tournament badges, etc.
[QUOTE=mooman1080;34424027]I fail to see how that makes any sense.[/QUOTE]Apparently some people get upset when you change something people paid money for.
[QUOTE=SgtWoodsy;34424038]Apparently some people get upset when you change something people paid money for.[/QUOTE]
Because they didn't make the hat, only the texture, Valve keeps all the money rather than 25% they would be getting.
It's a unique arrangement given the unique circumstances of the hat
[QUOTE=SgtWoodsy;34424038]Apparently some people get upset when you change something people paid money for.[/QUOTE]
Carouser's Capotain
Your move, Woodsy.
The assets can be updated, this isn't anything new. But the fact that Valve is the sole recipient of revenue from that item is what complicates things.
[QUOTE=AkujiTheSniper;34424002]Wow, you would have never lasted during the Heavy Update then[/QUOTE]
May I ask why?
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_VheAwZBuQI[/media]
I approve of all of these nerfs.
[QUOTE=TF2Master;34421722]Hope that doesn't get added in the real game[/QUOTE]
I really hope it fucking does.
Heavy is insanely survivable now to the extent where there is literally next to no purpose to not have a Sandvich or Steak unless you have a very good medic. The instant run-and-nom tactic means that heavies have an effective 450 health for any one class to damage, potentially more if he runs over a health pack and replenishes it along the way.
I use this tactic all the time, and personally, I'd love to see it gone. Then again, I've wanted the sticky bombs nerfed since day one and Demoman is my most played class.
[QUOTE=Zero_;34424067]May I ask why?[/QUOTE]
Sandvich never had an alt fire until late 2009, over a year after the Heavy Update took place.
No yeah Enforcer nerf woo?
we managed to do fine without being able to throw sandvich before, so now we have a way to help our doctors and just go back to the old way we used to use the sandvich.
Of the changes, I think the Sandvich is probably the least of our concerns.
The Enforcer and Tomislav nerfs seem very harsh. The Enforcer doesn't need the "no seeing health" they already fixed the problem it had with the Dead Ringer, why the need to double nerf it?
[QUOTE=Psychopath12;34424065]Carouser's Capotain[/QUOTE]I'm sure someone got upset over the fact that item was changed but I can see the problem.
I find it funny to hear all the cries of the bad tomislav heavies, iron curtain is dominate.
I don't use the Tomislav so I'm pretty indifferent about that nerf, but yay!
Sandvich nerf was predictable. I'm going to miss lumping my instant 150 HP on the ground.
The Enforcer needed a nerf and it's a clever one they picked indeed.
I hope these new stats gets in the full game.
That tomislav nerf doesn't make sense.
[QUOTE=MrParalegal;34424181]I find it funny to hear all the cries of the bad tomislav heavies, iron curtain is dominate.[/QUOTE]
Tomislav is only being nerfed because people like you cried about it.
[QUOTE=Stoffy;34424270]
The Enforcer needed a nerf and it's a clever one they picked indeed.
[/QUOTE]
It's not really clever, considering reading health and picking off weak targets was pretty much the entire point of the Enforcer (when used with other cloaks).
All it needed was a nerf with the DR (which it also got), the not seeing health is just overkill and makes the weapon incredibly underpowered and lacking a niche.
[QUOTE=john_frohman;34424292]That tomislav nerf doesn't make sense.
Tomislav is only being nerfed because people like you cried about it.[/QUOTE]
So you're telling me that the tomislav, a weapon that removed heavy's weakness to ambushes and flanking for the downside of a decrease of damage that's not even as much as the natasha, was perfectly balanced and obviously was only nerfed because people cried about it?
[QUOTE=MrParalegal;34424181]I find it funny to hear all the cries of the bad tomislav heavies, iron curtain is dominate.[/QUOTE]
I am crying tears
I am crying tears.
Does the Sandvich nerf apply to the Steak? Keep the Steak as is and apply the nerf to the Sandvich would make them sidegrades, imo.
[QUOTE=ned_ballad;34424336]It's not really clever, considering reading health and picking off weak targets was pretty much the entire point of the Enforcer (when used with other cloaks).
All it needed was a nerf with the DR (which it also got), the not seeing health is just overkill and makes the weapon incredibly underpowered and lacking a niche.[/QUOTE]
Spy originally wasn't able to see his enemy's health. It's not impossible to manage with as a Spy.
[QUOTE=john_frohman;34424292]That tomislav nerf doesn't make sense.
Tomislav is only being nerfed because people like you cried about it.[/QUOTE]
Didn't really cry about it, I still killed tomislav heavies left and right with my minigun, I just find it funny how their crutch is being taken away.
[QUOTE=Segab;34424396]Does the Sandvich nerf apply to the Steak? Keep the Steak as is and apply the nerf to the Sandvich would make them sidegrades, imo.[/QUOTE]
Considering that the Steak and Sandvich are technically the same class, they inherit traits from one another.
I asked that Ned check once he's able to get into TF2Beta since I don't even have it installed right now. Better to be completely sure than to guess.
And 150hp instant medkit is still bullshit, it'd only make the Steak even better than the Sandvich (it was an upgrade already, the primary fire is never used for ANYTHING, so the Steak's primary fire is used for doing a rollout to mid).
The sandvich nerf is a good thing. Rarely would I have to actually eat my sandvich as a heavy to refill my health. I could just throw it down and gain the health without having to stop.
[QUOTE=Justnobody;34423821]Actually, 14.
Good for 14, but the broken animations of the family business and laziness of the capo is just.....
wow I feel like an asshole
I'll shut up now[/QUOTE]
If it makes you feel better, man, I love the way the Family Business and Tomislav look. It was those items that got me really pumped for the über update.
And dont kick yourself for the anims. Wonder why Valve just didnt do it themselves
Sorry, you need to Log In to post a reply to this thread.
