Do you think that serious TF2 servers should allow spawn camping? - Games

Just because your team is incompetent or uncommunicative doesn't mean spawn camping is unfair. In a game of skill, shouldn't the more skillful win? If every person on your team is unable to thwart a spawn camper, then they deserve to lose. There's really no question about it. Every class has several weaknesses, and there is always a way to defeat a spawn camper. If the enemy team is close-knit enough to keep your whole team shoved back into spawn all round, then they deserve to win because they are the better team. It's not so much "camping" as it is "I've pushed your team so far back that I can't push them back any further". Being blocked from exiting spawn is just being cornered, and it takes more skill to single-handedly hold back an entire team from pouring out of their spawn than you think.

On my clan servers, we don't allow spawn camping, running past it to get a few kills and move on is acceptable, but sitting there is not.

I believe that spawn camping is acceptable. Besides it isn't that hard to break free with a little communication.

All good maps have 2 spawn points per team (the ones that aren't like moving spawn point maps) which makes spawn camping useless so yeah it should be allowed. 2 exits for the spawn is also a valid way good maps use to get around it.

To Biodude, if your team doesn't read the text chat, doesn't listen to voicechat, and doesn't have a player who is a competant medic (which could be you, by the way) then they deserve to be pushed back because they have no fucking teamwork skills at all. [I]Team [/I]Fortress 2

since when would a server even allow spawn camping?

[QUOTE=Achilles123;21358399]To Biodude, if your team doesn't read the text chat, doesn't listen to voicechat, and doesn't have a player who is a competant medic (which could be you, by the way) then they deserve to be pushed back because they have no fucking teamwork skills at all. [I]Team [/I]Fortress 2[/QUOTE] I realize that, but there's also a point where it becomes completely unfair, to where a completely organized team still can't beat the other team merely based on skill levels. At that point, you try to scramble, or enough people rage quit, and you find there's no votescramble, and autobalance isn't working because you simply can't kill anyone on the other team. And as soon as they do get balanced, they spec or leave because they're on the losing side now.

As a game play mechanic, spawn camping is the most rage inducing legitimate tactic that will make me trash talk the enemy team for an hour. As a server owner I would suggest outlawing spawn camping. If you allow it, you run the risk of having your server depopulated by one dick with a sticky launcher. Servers are no good if they are empty. You are far more likely to have a mass exodus in the case of a spawncamp->ragequit->autobalance/teamscramble->spawncamp->ragequit cycle than you are to have a mass exodus from booting one guy for spawn camping. So from a server owner perspective, I would suggest that you discourage/ban spawn camping.

[QUOTE=biodude94566;21359099]I realize that, but there's also a point where it becomes completely unfair, to where a completely organized team still can't beat the other team merely based on skill levels. At that point, you try to scramble, or enough people rage quit, and you find there's no votescramble, and autobalance isn't working because you simply can't kill anyone on the other team. And as soon as they do get balanced, they spec or leave because they're on the losing side now.[/QUOTE] Dead ringer spy, bonk scout, in the case of sticky spam, just wait for an idiot to try his bullrush and "Suicide" yourself with the dead ringer, you got two on however many there are. The only place I feel spawn camping get's ridiculous is 2fort.

You can call spawn camping a legitimate strategy and blame it on bad teams, but when you're on the receiving end, there's no way you can deny that it's rage inducing and ruins the game.

If you get spawn camped, you aren't doing a good job. You can stop spawn campers easily if your team works together. Uber, Bonk scout, ect.