[QUOTE=Paradox_Qc;34254329]So there was other cases with these two people, yet, you know one of them only by name and never really heard of her.[/QUOTE]
All materials were given to me by Max. I only knew Rebb by name, and that she apparently was close to Max (girlfriend?? I dunno). I don't know this Rebb person outside of what Max has told me.
Lies!
Look at it from Max's perspective. Max asks you to give this item to a person who's helped worked on the content you host on your servers, a very good friend. (Someone you apparently know very little about, but Max has informed you of her.) You decline this. He then suggests that they should be given to people who give to the server or are good people in the community (something which Rebbacus absolutely falls under.) Then he comes back later only to find out someone [B][I]he's[/I][/B] never heard of has gotten the item over Rebb. I'm sure he has every right to be hurt, since from what he's said, he had to fight you in the first place to even get the wings added.
Why is this even an issue to you? You should've just taken Max's word for it, demand or not, and given them to Rebb. One little thing, and you said no, then turned around and gave it to someone else.
[QUOTE=Demon!;34254447]Look at it from Max's perspective. Max asks you to give this item to a person who's helped worked on the content you host on your servers, a very good friend. (Someone you apparently know very little about, but Max has informed you of her.) You decline this. He then suggests that they should be given to people who give to the server or are good people in the community (something which Rebbacus absolutely falls under.) Then he comes back later only to find out someone [B][I]he's[/I][/B] never heard of has gotten the item over Rebb. I'm sure he has every right to be hurt, since from what he's said, he had to fight you in the first place to even get the wings added.
Why is this even an issue to you? You should've just taken Max's word for it, demand or not, and given them to Rebb. One little thing, and you said no, then turned around and gave it to someone else.[/QUOTE]
Had I known he would get so upset about it, I wouldn't have added the wings in the first place. They're one big ego trip (their size is double that of the character) and they don't fit the tf2 style very well.
The fact that I added them was my gift to him for helping me out. To him. Because [i]he[/i] helped me out with Parkour Fortress. And it was a gift.
In retrospect it was the wrong move to give Max a token of appreciation in form of wings.
I think "helped" is an understatement here.
There is no reward for contributing. I've never stated there would be. I don't get anything out of it either yet I'm happily doing it. Max was never forced either.
In fact, early in the development of Parkour Fortress, I didn't have the options available I do now, and he received nothing. He was quite pleased with just helping with the gamemode. What has changed?
[QUOTE=Jonas Kaerlev;34254651]There is no reward for contributing. I've never stated there would be. I don't get anything out of it either yet I'm happily doing it. Max was never forced either.
In fact, early in the development of Parkour Fortress, I didn't have the options available I do now, and he received nothing. He was quite pleased with just helping with the gamemode. What has changed?[/QUOTE]
Obviously a lot, if he and Rebbacus want to completely distance themselves away from you and have the content they've created removed from your servers. You should be asking yourself that question.
I'm only trying to figure out why you denied Max such a small thing.
[QUOTE=Jonas Kaerlev;34254651] I don't get anything out of it either yet I'm happily doing it.[/QUOTE]
Wait, didn't Max say something about over 300$ worth of donations? :v:
Love how you lurked until Max went to bed to start this.
[QUOTE=Deremix;34254879]Wait, didn't Max say something about over 300$ worth of donations? :v:[/QUOTE]
I don't know where he got that number. It's completely fictional. He doesn't have access to any statistics.
Besides, Slag Gaming has its own paypal that donations are transferred to and servers are paid from. There has never been a month where I have not paid out of my own pocket to keep it all alive. Monthly fees are $200. So there you go.
Max credits himself increases in sales, but he has no actual fact behind it. His 'skin' is just as bought as any other skin in the shop, so I don't see why he's giving himself so much credit for it.
[QUOTE=Jonas Kaerlev;34254935]I don't know where he got that number. It's completely fictional. He doesn't have access to any statistics.
Besides, Slag Gaming has its own paypal that donations are transferred to and servers are paid from. There has never been a month where I have not paid out of my own pocket to keep it all alive. Monthly fees are $200. So there you go.
Max credits himself increases in sales, but he has no actual fact behind it. His 'skin' is just as bought as any other skin in the shop, so I don't see why he's giving himself so much credit for it.[/QUOTE]
This still doesn't change the fact that his work got SOME revenue. Therefore, making it his right to have you pull down all the content that he and Rebb made. You had no right to withhold their content, all the while avoiding anything that brought up the question.
I wouldn't be trying to make myself look like the good guy by now. It's not like yesterday didn't happen. It's not like we didn't see you removing comments/banning/blocking anyone who even remotely supported Max while you were supposedly "sleeping". And then the minute Max leaves, you feel safe enough to stop lurking so you might have a chance to make yourself the good guy without Max being there to shoot down any blatant lies, with actual proof.
Point is, there's no point in trying to fight it. Just leave it with you'll be taking down their content, then try to rebuild your shattered reputation.
[QUOTE=Deremix;34255005]This still doesn't change the fact that his work got SOME revenue.[/quote]
Arguably any other item would have also increased revenue. You can't possibly know, in fact you have no insight in the system whatsoever.
[QUOTE=Deremix;34255005]I wouldn't be trying to make myself look like the good guy by now. It's not like yesterday didn't happen. It's not like we didn't see you removing comments/banning/blocking anyone who even remotely supported Max while you were supposedly "sleeping". And then the minute Max leaves, you feel safe enough to stop lurking so you might have a chance to make yourself the good guy without Max being there to shoot down any blatant lies, with actual proof.[/QUOTE]
[img]http://imgdump.mechatheslag.net/maxblocked.png[/img]
Yes, because MaxOfS2D never filters his comments. Freedom of speech yay and all that
and honestly, what'd you expect? I made a video showcasing a gamemode. Max links to it everywhere, indirectly telling people to attack it. Naturally unrelated comments get removed.
And I happen to go have a sleep schedule, believe it or not.
[QUOTE=Jonas Kaerlev;34255063]Arguably any other item would have also increased revenue. You can't possibly know, in fact you have no insight in the system whatsoever.
[img]http://imgdump.mechatheslag.net/maxblocked.png[/img]
Yes, because MaxOfS2D never filters his comments. Freedom of speech yay and all that
and honestly, what'd you expect? I made a video showcasing a gamemode. Max links to it everywhere, indirectly telling people to attack it. Naturally unrelated comments get removed.
And I happen to go have a sleep schedule, believe it or not.[/QUOTE]
Of course I have no insight in the system, but it's obvious that his items sold.
I'm not talking about filtering the comments (and no one was talking about the gamemode showcase), I'm talking about the threads about this very topic that you deleted because one or two people supported Max, then you banned them at the same time. You just tried to avoid the topic all together, hoping it would blow over.
If you didn't want Max to attack, you shouldn't have been selfish. You seem to think you had some right to keep HIS content. Bottom line: it was HIS content. No ifs, ands, or buts. That's it. He made it, he had the right to have it taken down the moment he brought the matter to attention. None of this would have even happened if you would have just done what they had said in the first place, instead of waiting till the next day while Max was away to state that you would take it down.
And of course, everyone has a sleep schedule. Unfortunately your schedule must not have been that time, because you were constantly in and out of this forum. It's a feature, we can see when you're here and when you're not. You obviously know this, but seem to be avoiding the fact that you've been in and out. And unless your sleep schedule included you waking up every thirty minutes to block/ban someone, you weren't sleeping. You were avoiding the matter, making it worse, and waiting until Max left.
Now, you've stated you'll take down their content, so this matter is basically on hiatus until Max comes back. So I'm gone.
[QUOTE=Deremix;34255143]Of course I have no insight in the system, but it's obvious that his items sold.[/quote]
You know this based on... what? No one but I have access to that knowledge, so any statement on that part are guesses.
[QUOTE=Deremix;34255143]
I'm not talking about filtering the comments (and no one was talking about the gamemode showcase), I'm talking about the threads about this very topic that you deleted because one or two people supported Max, then you banned them at the same time. You just tried to avoid the topic all together, hoping it would blow over.[/quote]
You're again misinformed. The only person who joined Max was a member by the name 404, who had previously been a dodgy member and was on the edge to leave anyway.
Besides, you can't possibly have a say in whether banning someone is fair or not fair on a forum you don't know. You don't know the person in questions' path or his behavior. In fact you know very little about the forum itself.
Do remote forums have a say in whether a ban on Facepunch is fair? No.
[QUOTE=Deremix;34255143]
If you didn't want Max to attack, you shouldn't have been selfish. You seem to think you had some right to keep HIS content. Bottom line: it was HIS content. No ifs, ands, or buts. That's it. He made it, he had the right to have it taken down the moment he brought the matter to attention. None of this would have even happened if you would have just done what they had said in the first place, instead of waiting till the next day while Max was away to state that you would take it down.[/quote]
That's a fair point and I've already addressed it in my apology.
[QUOTE=Deremix;34255143]And unless your sleep schedule included you waking up every thirty minutes to block/ban someone, you weren't sleeping.[/quote]
I have only 'banned' two people from the forums and that was long before this topic went haywire. I don't think you have your story straight.
[QUOTE=Max of S2D;34251133]That means we can send a DMCA takedown notice if he keeps on refusing to remove our content[/QUOTE]
No you can't.
1) You would need copyright (you don't have that, Valve has)
2) You would need to prove it is your material (you can't)
3) Your products would need to contain DRM (it doesn't)
Both of you should lay off the fucking internet.
I wouldnt know precisely about 1 and 3, but he absolutely can prove that it is his content. He does, in fact, posess the source files for anything he has made, which, unless he gave them to you for whatever reason, you do not posess.
[QUOTE=Jakkarra;34255345]I wouldnt know precisely about 1 and 3, but he absolutely can prove that it is his content. He does, in fact, posess the source files for anything he has made, which, unless he gave them to you for whatever reason, you do not posess.[/QUOTE]
I do.
[img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/9/9d/Santabarbaratitle.jpg/250px-Santabarbaratitle.jpg[/img]
ITT
This is what I've got from all this drama (without details or this would be too long):
Max, for various reasons, got mad at mecha, quitted and asked him to remove his work. Mecha didn't do it and pretty much ignored the issue. Max decided to make this public officialy starting the drama.
Mecha had a chance to prevent this drama from becoming this large when it had just started by just listening to him, but noo he had to be all "I'm too prideful for this" and try to ruin Max reputation (While Max choice of making this public wasn't the best, this "mature answer" to it wasn't better. At all.) by making all those threads&posts acting as the good guy, neg comment deleting, etc (But as we already know it backfired and the rep damaged the most was mecha's). When he noticed the hole he made was too big he decided to lurk, probably thinking that getting involved again would make things worse (for him, and he was probably right. either that or he didn't care until it was too late.), and then, after Max was gone, he decided to reapear to apologize (This way he wouldn't be able to answer him).
So much could have been prevented if you two had put your pride aside. I'm pretty sure that this would be done already.
god damn it mecha, just because you agreed to remove our content doesn't mean you can start lying about all the rest
[QUOTE=Jonas Kaerlev;34255063]And I happen to go have a sleep schedule, believe it or not.[/QUOTE]
So you either slept a mere two hours, or your accounts were compromised. Better check for a security breach!
[QUOTE=Jonas Kaerlev;34255063][img]http://imgdump.mechatheslag.net/maxblocked.png[/img]
Yes, because MaxOfS2D never filters his comments. Freedom of speech yay and all that[/QUOTE]
The video on which approval-only mode is enabled is [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HxyIFyNo6-I]Succubus[/url]. Surely you'd expect a video like that to have really dumb comments like thousands of "dat ass" and "weirdest boner", but CTRL+F for that, you won't find any. That's why approval-only is on. No other kind of comments got rejected. Unlike you, who's been silently removing all trace of support towards Rebb and me on your videos and forums.
[QUOTE=Jonas Kaerlev;34254935]I don't know where he got that number. It's completely fictional. He doesn't have access to any statistics.
Besides, Slag Gaming has its own paypal that donations are transferred to and servers are paid from. There has never been a month where I have not paid out of my own pocket to keep it all alive. Monthly fees are $200. So there you go. Max credits himself increases in sales, but he has no actual fact behind it. His 'skin' is just as bought as any other skin in the shop, so I don't see why he's giving himself so much credit for it.[/QUOTE]
I got the number from your server MOTD which has a donation counter, idiot. [b]You are the one who told me you started getting a peak of 12 donations per hour upon adding the skin.[/b]
[QUOTE=Jonas Kaerlev;34254052]Max and Rebb made the femscout and (greatly) insisted that I put it on the server. [/QUOTE]
[b]You[/b] are the one who came to me saying "hey max could you make it so your femscout improvement can run on SLAG"
On the other hand, [b]we[/b] are the ones who "(greatly) insisted" to look into what caused the crashes so people would get what they paid for.
[QUOTE=Jonas Kaerlev;34254052]Max and Rebb made the director skin and once again, greatly insisted that I put it on the server.[/QUOTE]
Once again, you're the one who insisted to put the Director on there.
[QUOTE=Jonas Kaerlev;34254052]Max really liked the sparkles, for the record. Once when they were gone (due to a glitch), he got quite upset[/QUOTE]
It wasn't a glitch.
You purposefully replaced them with flies to piss me off, then you went all "WHY DOES IT MATTER WHICH PARTICLE EFFECT YOU HAVE" "MAX IT'S JUST A JOKE FSGDSDFS".
This is only [i]one[/i] of the things that you pulled off on me daily that slowly, slowly damaged the pressure valve until it went boom.
And you know what? I got a screenshot to prove it.
[img]http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/133/screenshot2012011421383.jpg[/img]
Sadly, I don't have a screenshot of that excerpt of the chat log, I only copy-pasted it to Rebb, but she can testify that she saw the exact same sentences above. Either way: stop lying, for fuck's sake.
[QUOTE=Jonas Kaerlev;34253922]Actually, I told Max I would remove everything if he made a proper post here on Facepunch and on Slag Gaming explaining why he was taking it off (I'm sure he'll verify this).[/QUOTE]
You did tell me to do a post justifying my actions, but you never told me that you'd remove our content if I was going to do it.
[editline]17th January 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=Malvodion;34255543]This is what I've got from all this drama (without details or this would be too long):
Max, for various reasons, got mad at mecha, quitted and asked him to remove his work. Mecha didn't do it and pretty much ignored the issue. Max decided to make this public officialy starting the drama.
Mecha had a chance to prevent this drama from becoming this large when it had just started by just listening to him, but noo he had to be all "I'm too prideful for this" and try to ruin Max reputation (While Max choice of making this public wasn't the best, this "mature answer" to it wasn't better. At all.) by making all those threads&posts acting as the good guy, neg comment deleting, etc (But as we already know it backfired and the rep damaged the most was mecha's). When he noticed the hole he made was too big he decided to lurk, probably thinking that getting involved again would make things worse (for him, and he was probably right. either that or he didn't care until it was too late.), and then, after Max was gone, he decided to reapear to apologize (This way he wouldn't be able to answer him).
So much could have been prevented if you two had put your pride aside. I'm pretty sure that this would be done already.[/QUOTE]
Hey, Mecha's the one who's asked me to put this public in the first place!
[QUOTE=Jonas Kaerlev;34255262]No you can't.
1) You would need copyright (you don't have that, Valve has)
2) You would need to prove it is your material (you can't)
3) Your products would need to contain DRM (it doesn't)[/QUOTE]
So all of [b]my[/b] animations are copyrighted by Valve? I can prove it's our material. We didn't give you the source files (except for PF, but I should've never done that). As for DRM, sounds like bullshit to me. But hey, that last point doesn't matter since you agreed to remove our content at last.
I found screenshots in my history by the way.
[img]http://img864.imageshack.us/img864/8596/screenshot2012011501094.png[/img] [img]http://img52.imageshack.us/img52/7518/screenshot2012011712293.png[/img]
[img]http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/1060/screenshot2012011714072.png[/img]
Yeah, so lucky. [img]http://img.maxofs2d.net/gif/misc/allears.gif[/img]
bro
he changed your sparkles to flies?
I'm jealous.
(/opinion)
My guess is Mecha will make copies of all the animations, textures, and models. He'll then use them when he thinks your no longer keeping an eye on him.
Based on the way he acts and how important this mod appears to be to him, that's my prediction.
[QUOTE=GIRLIKESTACOS;34256055]My guess is Mecha will make copies of all the animations, textures, and models. He'll then use them when he thinks your no longer keeping an eye on him.
Based on the way he acts and how important this mod appears to be to him, that's my prediction.[/QUOTE]
You know, it's very simple to check how. Just gotta ask any random person to clear his tf/models folder then join a SlagGaming server, then inspect the content downloaded.
If there's anything ([i]especially[/i] the Fallen Angel mods) from Rebb or me that pops up again: DMCA.
[QUOTE=Max of S2D;34256071]You know, it's very simple to check how. Just gotta ask any random person to clear his tf/models folder then join a SlagGaming server, then inspect the content downloaded.
If there's anything ([i]especially[/i] the Fallen Angel mods) from Rebb or me that pops up again: DMCA.[/QUOTE]
Really? Never mind then, that's pretty smart. :O
Well, see ya Max. I'll be back in about...6 hrs. Good luck. :D
[QUOTE=Max of S2D;34255724]
I got the number from your server MOTD which has a donation counter, idiot. [B]You are the one who told me you started getting a peak of 12 donations per hour upon adding the skin.[/B]
[/QUOTE]
And its never been at the amount you claim. I would know this because I have access to the logs, you don't.
[QUOTE=Max of S2D;34255724]
[B]You[/B] are the one who came to me saying "hey max could you make it so your femscout improvement can run on SLAG"
Once again, you're the one who insisted to put the Director on there.[/QUOTE]
Wow this is DEFINITELY the biggest lie I have ever seen so far. For the rest I can imagine you're living in your own protective world but there is no excuse for this one. You definitely insisted to have both on and I wasn't for it at all. I didn't want them on because both had ~25 files of materials and it seemed like a lot to download.
Unlike you I haven't been plotting to strike against people on my friends list, so it's your word against mine. But wow Max, just wow. That one is the worst.
[QUOTE=Max of S2D;34255724]On the other hand, [B]we[/B] are the ones who "(greatly) insisted" to look into what caused the crashes so people would get what they paid for.[/QUOTE]
At no point did I hint at, that people would not get a refund. This point is dumb.
[QUOTE=Max of S2D;34255724]It wasn't a glitch.
You purposefully replaced them with flies to piss me off, then you went all "WHY DOES IT MATTER WHICH PARTICLE EFFECT YOU HAVE" "MAX IT'S JUST A JOKE FSGDSDFS".[/QUOTE]
I'm not denying the flies thing. You wanted the particles so badly that I made a joke on you and gave you flies. The flies were removed later.
If that really strikes you that hard personally, then you're taking things way too seriously. It's a model on a server.
Not to mention I did eventually end up giving you the sparkles anyway. So this point is moot.
[QUOTE=Max of S2D;34255724]You did tell me to do a post justifying my actions, but you never told me that you'd remove our content if I was going to do it.[/quote]
Incorrect but I can't prove it
[QUOTE=Max of S2D;34255724]So all of [B]my[/B] animations are copyrighted by Valve? I can prove it's our material. We didn't give you the source files (except for PF, but I should've never done that).[/QUOTE]
which is obviously all I need
[QUOTE=Jonas Kaerlev;34256313]Wow this is DEFINITELY the biggest lie I have ever seen so far. For the rest I can imagine you're living in your own protective world but there is no excuse for this one. You definitely insisted to have both on and I wasn't for it at all. I didn't want them on because both had ~25 files of materials and it seemed like a lot to download. Unlike you I haven't been plotting to strike against people on my friends list, so it's your word against mine. But wow Max, just wow. That one is the worst.[/QUOTE]
The filecount jumped to 25 at the THIRD revision of the femscout, which is the current one. (because of new materials being segregated to different UVs, and new phong/rim masks to improve visual quality further)
Not when [b]you[/b] first asked me to adapt her for SLAG, back in early November.
[QUOTE=Jonas Kaerlev;34256313]And its never been at the amount you claim. I would know this because I have access to the logs, you don't.[/QUOTE]
Considering the donation amount was on the MOTD, I'm sure we can get a few other people to confirm what I'm saying.
[QUOTE=Jonas Kaerlev;34256313]At no point did I hint at, that people would not get a refund. This point is dumb.[/QUOTE]
A refund in what? SLAG Shillings? [img]http://img.maxofs2d.net/gif/misc/rolleyes.gif[/img]
[QUOTE=Jonas Kaerlev;34256313][b]You wanted[/b] the particles so badly that I made a joke on you and gave you flies.[/QUOTE]
But you said in a [url=http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/9586/screenshot2012011713312.png]previous post[/url] that you're the one who wanted to give us the particles in the first place!
Oh well, hey, that's like only the bazillionth time you're contradicting yourself. We've gotten used to it now.
[QUOTE=Jonas Kaerlev;34256313]If that really strikes you that hard personally, then you're taking things way too seriously. It's a model on a server.[/QUOTE]
Which once again, proves you can't put yourself in other people's shoes. Which kinda sucks for a server admin. All of those damn "jokes" you've been pulling off on me, the particle effects, the "Mecha Heaven" video, and all the other little things, maybe you should have thought twice about how I was feeling about them. And see, this is exactly what I'm talking about in my open letter: "BUT IT'S JUST A JOKE MAX WHY DO YOU CARE SO MUCH FSGSFDS".
[editline]Furthermore[/editline]
Please remember that you're the one who's been blocking and closing/removing the discussion everywhere you could, except on your forums, where I'm [url=http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/3969/screenshot2012011713571.png]banned until the 20th[/url]. New forum registrations were impossible last night — that restriction has been lifted now, but it's kinda late. You said you wanted to resolve this privately — I haven't blocked you on Steam, simply removed you. Yet I can't add you back; an "invite failed" pops up, no matter from which browser I try (Firefox, Opera, Steam itself). I've asked several of my Steam friends to add you so they could invite me in a chat with you (they can confirm this) — you accepted none of them.. I don't know your e-mail address, but you know mine (it's all over my YouTube channel and my website), yet you didn't send me anything. So I'd like to point out that this "desire to resolve this privately" is also a big steaming bag of BS on your part.
Could you just fucking chill for a second?
Max needs to calm the fuck down
Mecha needs to stop contradicting everything Max says
In a perfect world, this would solve everything.
This shit is so funny.
Dont get me wrong but the whole thing is just childish.
What? This mod died in like one day and I've never got to play it?
Sounds sad, really sad.
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