Also, Valve is not full of idiots (despite what you might think). Don't get technical with them and say the Idler doesn't do anything special.
The idler is meant to get items for people while they're not there, and thus not playing. What valve wants is for people to play like normal, and during that time there's a small chance you'll get a hat.
This rewards people who play the game a ton, the Idler makes it so everyone can "play a ton", get hats, and in the meantime play games from competition. Doesn't work with their plan on world domination.
[QUOTE=Mbbird;17093579]Also, Valve is not full of idiots (despite what you might think). Don't get technical with them and say the Idler doesn't do anything special.
The idler is meant to get items for people while they're not there, and thus not playing. What valve wants is for people to play like normal, and during that time there's a small chance you'll get a hat.
This rewards people who play the game a ton, the Idler makes it so everyone can "play a ton", get hats, and in the meantime play games from competition. Doesn't work with their plan on world domination.[/QUOTE]
Idle servers.
Also, doesn't idling for a while just waste your electric bill? On servers in-game that is.
[QUOTE=Mbbird;17093579]Also, Valve is not full of idiots (despite what you might think). Don't get technical with them and say the Idler doesn't do anything special.
The idler is meant to get items for people while they're not there, and thus not playing. What valve wants is for people to play like normal, and during that time there's a small chance you'll get a hat.
This rewards people who play the game a ton, the Idler makes it so everyone can "play a ton", get hats, and in the meantime play games from competition. Doesn't work with their plan on world domination.[/QUOTE]
most people have jobs/school/friends and don't have time to game for like 15 hours a day, so i guess ill be reverting to using idle servers. VALVe i loved you when you made Half Life... but this... is a disgrace... id rather pay a grand for a copy of vista then continue to support you guys now.
[QUOTE=Evil_Toaster;17093600]Idle servers.[/QUOTE]
= Idler
Just because they didn't say idle servers were prohibited doesn't mean they think it's okay to join them.
[QUOTE=TizzYcho;17093550]Hello, my name is Valve, our TF2 community has completely ruined my life and everything revolving around it, now let's punish them for cheating through our system to get our precious, virtual hats.[/QUOTE]
Hello, my name is Valve, and I can't make a decent Item Random Drop system because I suck.
[QUOTE=KingKombat;17093610]Also, doesn't idling for a while just waste your electric bill?[/QUOTE]
Less so than keeping the actual game running.
[QUOTE=Mbbird;17093579]Also, Valve is not full of idiots (despite what you might think). Don't get technical with them and say the Idler doesn't do anything special.
The idler is meant to get items for people while they're not there, and thus not playing. What valve wants is for people to play like normal, and during that time there's a small chance you'll get a hat.
This rewards people who play the game a ton, the Idler makes it so everyone can "play a ton", get hats, and in the meantime play games from competition. Doesn't work with their plan on world domination.[/QUOTE]
Rated bad reading for not knowing what idle servers are.
[QUOTE=Mbbird;17093614]= Idler[/QUOTE]
Exactly. You don't see Valve taking action against the now numerous idle servers. Or spectators.
Valve really needs to think about what's going to happen with the community before they do these things.
[QUOTE=KingKombat;17093610]Also, doesn't idling for a while just waste your electric bill? On servers in-game that is.[/QUOTE]
Running a game all night stagnant isn't good for your computer.
i refuse to buy another game that VALVe touched, knowing they will just fuck it up and use the money to feed the creature known as Gabe
now would be a good time for a Gabe comic
[QUOTE=ToXic SicK;17093643]i refuse to buy another game that VALVe touched, knowing they will just fuck it up and use the money to feed the creature known as Gabe[/QUOTE]
You're so edgy.
"E. Restrictions.
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You are entitled to use the Steam Software for your own use, but you are not entitled to: (i) sell, grant a security interest in or transfer reproductions of the Steam Software to other parties in any way, nor to rent, lease or license the Steam Software to others without the prior written consent of Valve; (ii) host or provide matchmaking services for the Steam Software or [B]emulate or redirect the communication protocols used by Valve in any network feature of the Steam Software, through protocol emulation, tunneling, modifying or adding components to the Steam Software, use of a utility program or any other techniques now known or hereafter developed[/B], for any purpose including, but not limited to network play over the Internet, network play utilizing commercial or non-commercial gaming networks or as part of content aggregation networks, without the prior written consent of Valve; or (iii) exploit the Steam Software or any of its parts for any commercial purpose"
[QUOTE=ToXic SicK;17093613]most people have jobs/school/friends and don't have time to game for like 15 hours a day, so i guess ill be reverting to using idle servers. VALVe i loved you when you made Half Life... but this... is a disgrace... id rather pay a grand for a copy of vista then continue to support you guys now.[/QUOTE]
That's the point. You can't play often, thus they don't really want you to have a hat. Hats are for the people who play a lot, or have owned the game a long time.
[QUOTE=ToXic SicK;17093655]now would be a good time for a Gabe comic[/QUOTE]
Or a really old outdated Valve one liner.
[highlight][i]The unlocks are a lie. The unlocks are a lie. The unlocks are a lie.[/i][/highlight]
Still, I say we should just play the game instead of getting all mad at the idling crap.
TF2 is a game, right? Srs or not it's fun. Do we really need fancy hats to play it?
Ah good. Idlers are almost on the same level as people that use achievement servers.
[QUOTE=KingKombat;17093683]Still, I say we should just play the game instead of getting all mad at the idling crap.
TF2 is a game, right? Srs or not it's fun. [B]Do we really need fancy hats to play it?[/B][/QUOTE]
[B]:siren::siren::siren:NOPE:siren::siren::siren:[/B]
[QUOTE=ferdam;17093617]Hello, my name is Valve, and I can't make a decent Item Random Drop system because I suck.[/QUOTE]
Hello, my name is Valve, we tell our users that playing TF2 more would in fact increase your chance of getting hats, although we have users playing a weekly time of 16 hours, and some users playing at 200 hours, we can prove this system works because we gave a hat to someone who plays over 150 hours less than the average TF2'er.
[QUOTE=Mbbird;17093673]That's the point. You can't play often, thus they don't really want you to have a hat. Hats are for the people who play a lot, or have owned the game a long time.[/QUOTE]
i owned the bitch since it came out, iv supported VALVe since Gabe was 100 LB's and i sure as hell don't care about hats, i care that what they are doing is segregation.
[QUOTE=Anonymuzz;17093625]Rated bad reading for not knowing what idle servers are.[/QUOTE]
You don't actually play Idle servers do you? OP said it used a lot of power, because your computer was running a complicated 3D game for hours at a time. That would mean people would leave it on overnight or while they're out at school, etc.
I've never been in one.
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[QUOTE=Evil_Toaster;17093629]Exactly. You don't see Valve taking action against the now numerous idle servers. Or spectators.[/QUOTE]
They can't, without editing the terms of service I think. I mean and idle server could just be a regular dedicated server hosted by some Norwegian guy who doesn't have autokick on.
[QUOTE=Mbbird;17093725]You don't actually play Idle servers do you? OP said it used a lot of power, because your computer was running a complicated 3D game for hours at a time. That would mean people would leave it on overnight or while they're out at school, etc.
I've never been in one.[/QUOTE]
not to mention they age your parts... i sure as hell am not loosing a i7 because of some stupid compilation of pixels.
[QUOTE=Retpallylol;17093694][B]:siren::siren::siren:NOPE:siren::siren::siren:[/B][/QUOTE]
Thank you.
(what's with the sirens)
[QUOTE=ToXic SicK;17093704]i owned the bitch since it came out, iv supported VALVe since Gabe was 100 LB's and i sure as hell don't care about hats, i care that what [B]their[/B] doing is [B]segregation[/B].[/QUOTE]
:cawg: wow
Reading through this, I got a bit annoyed. I can agree on your points in the, to a degree, yes it is Valve's fault. Now, I'm not sure on a few points, like the EULA containing external modification programs and the like, but here goes:
Valve released a new system to gain items and hats. Yes, it's a new, shitty system, but you have to remember something: Valve is doing this for the first time. It may have been extensively tested in their "labs", so to speak, but many times that comes from professionals that are paid to test video games. Many times, fans are a much more "reliable" source, because they think out of the box more often and tend to find flaws, bugs, and exploits.
The first analogy that comes to mind is new operating systems, mainly Windows. When Vista was first released, it was a steaming pile of shit that everyone hated and no one wanted. Years later, it's in Service Pack 2 and people are still hating on it for reasons unknown to me. I have Ultimate 32 bit and it runs fine. I like it just as much as I liked XP Professional SP2. And you know what? When XP came out all those years ago, it was a steaming pile of shit, too.
What I'm trying to say there is that, since this is the first time this is being implemented, give Valve some time and feedback. Let them have some breathing room to work with the new system, to fix it up. Random drops don't reward players that are doing well, no. But I bet you that Valve wanted a random drop system that would - all they need is time to be able to code the system to play in favor of players do well. Maybe not just the top players on teams, but the players that are doing better than they had previously, or better than their averages. But again, this would take time. You could either have no hats and no drop system, a horrible system for hats (ie achieving every achievement for the class [this would present problems with multiple hats now released]), or a broken system that would eventually be fixed.
All you needed to do was be patient and give Valve constructive feedback. They can, and probably would, listen to their fans and fix the system. So in a sense, you have brought this upon yourself. Especially if what is said about the EULA is correct. If the EULA says you are not to be using an external program that modifies or exploits the system, then you've fucked yourself over. You've cheated, and now you have to pay the consequences.
tl;dr You should have been patient and let Valve fix the system. You've reaped what you sowed, and should get over it.
I think I covered everything I wanted to in the nicest way possible.
It would have been better if they at least gave a heads up that they were going to do this and to remove these items at once.
[QUOTE=KingKombat;17093683]Still, I say we should just play the game instead of getting all mad at the idling crap.
TF2 is a game, right? Srs or not it's fun. Do we really need fancy hats to play it?[/QUOTE]
This man is trying to start peace.
Yet, we can't go play or eles everyone won't play cause they'll be to busy ragging on the chat.
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