They REALLY need to stop nurfing the engineer. - Games

[QUOTE=Mystfit;17273332]While they're killing your sentry, you're bashing their head in with a wrench. Problem solved.[/QUOTE] good luck bashing a heavy with a medic

[QUOTE=Keychain;17273376]good luck bashing a heavy with a medic[/QUOTE] Easy, A heavy doesn't always lookout for his medic. While he is shooting, ran to the back and bash the medic around and kill him, severing his life line.

[QUOTE=BillyJoe;17271220][rage] I mean, if your a lone engineer with one sentry and one dispencer, most classes can and will rape you. [B]You mean most Anti Sentry classes like the demo, soldier and pyro. You sentry does huge damage and has aimbot, your dispenser can get you back to full health in a matter of seconds and not only that, if you're near it and you just keep bashing your sentry it is almost invincible because you can repair it faster than any class can damage it[/B] The demoman can sticky, and for some reason its a bitch to shoot them, they explode before you do. [b]Damn, the counter to your sentry actually COUNTERING your sentry, who the fuck knew[/b] For SOME retarded reason, the pyro can FLAME AROUND CORNERS, meaning he doesnt even need to be NEAR the sentry. If you have a courner sentry, your boned. [b]For some retarded reason, if you make it like 2 cm back it will not be hit by the flames, another retarded thing is you don't seem to have any teammates[/b] A medic+heavy team can take out a sentry without an ubercharge, EASILY. [b] HOLY SHIT PISS, an 2 people WITH AN UBER can take out 1 person with a sentry, Jesus fucking Christ[/b] To top it off, thanks to Bonk! The sentry chooses to aim at it, leaving ANY class to destroy it. [B]To top that off your sentry targets the closet enemy, if a team can coordinate a scout with bonk and a heavy class to destroy it, don't you think they deserve that destruction?[/B] [/rage][/QUOTE] Are you a retard? Yes.

Chase off the fucking pyro then. If he's edging you step around the corner keeping distance between you and the fire and shotgun him. He can't run after you or anything and if you get hit you've got a dispenser.

Engineer, like the Spy, is a class that gets harder as other people get better. And believe it or not, there is a difference between a bad Engy and a good Engy. And there IS a difference between a good Engy and a REALLY good Engy. You just need teamwork. Having a Pyro that is willing to stick around with you near your Sentry can greatly increase your chances of survival not only by Spies, but by blasting Ubers, Stickes and the like back. The Engy, Also like the Spy, isn't just a "Shoot them better" class, like say the Soldier or Sniper, it takes planning, tactics, and coordination. you got to know how to set up, when to move, when to retreat, and how to effectively communicate with your team to win. [editline]08:39PM[/editline] The thing I hate most about being Engineer: -Alright guys, I got a teleporter into their Intel room. -Uhh guys, I'm being attacked. Can you please take my teleporter before we lose the advantage? -Guys, please take my teleporter! It's in front of the spawn! It goes right into the enemy base! (Uber Heavy and Medic come in, destroy my shit, and no one even took the teleporter once.) -Do you guys speak English? "Yeah". SGTNAPALM has left the game.

[QUOTE=killz2much;17271583]It's easy to build a strong defensive line with the Engineer though. The Engineer nerfs are there so he won't be able to destroy a team alone. If you want to build a strong defense with the Engineer have a dispenser operating, a Heavy and a medic healing the Heavy holding up next to the Engineer's setup.[/QUOTE] I'm sorry, but where in here is there any "bad spelling?"

[QUOTE=Sirdangolot5;17274923]I'm sorry, but where in here is there any "bad spelling?"[/QUOTE] I've been getting that rating in some posts here and there. Some guy apparently thinks I have bad spelling or he thinks I care that much over a rating.

It's just odd, considering you're one of the few people here who can consistently spell correctly.

[QUOTE=killz2much;17274942]I've been getting that rating in some posts here and there. Some guy apparently thinks I have bad spelling or he thinks I care that much over a rating.[/QUOTE] Just think of it as a blue check mark! :downs:

[QUOTE=killz2much;17274942]I've been getting that rating in some posts here and there. Some guy apparently thinks I have bad spelling or he thinks I care that much over a rating.[/QUOTE] There it is again. ...if only there were a "good spelling" rating. Maybe a "proper grammar" rating. ...yeah.

Sentries range needs to be boosted, there's always 5 or 6 pockets that a demo can throw stickies, and several where a solider can stand and rape your sentry with pin point rockets over and over again.

NO THANK YOU l LIKE IT WHERE IT IS

[QUOTE=SGTNAPALM;17274102]Engineer, like the Spy, is a class that gets harder as other people get better. And believe it or not, there is a difference between a bad Engy and a good Engy. And there IS a difference between a good Engy and a REALLY good Engy. You just need teamwork. Having a Pyro that is willing to stick around with you near your Sentry can greatly increase your chances of survival not only by Spies, but by blasting Ubers, Stickes and the like back. The Engy, Also like the Spy, isn't just a "Shoot them better" class, like say the Soldier or Sniper, it takes planning, tactics, and coordination. you got to know how to set up, when to move, when to retreat, and how to effectively communicate with your team to win. [editline]08:39PM[/editline] [b]The think I hate most about being Engineer: -Alright guys, I got a teleporter into their Intel room. -Uhh guys, I'm being attacked. Can you please take my teleporter before we lose the advantage? -Guys, please take my teleporter! It's in front of the spawn! It goes right into the enemy base! (Uber Heavy and Medic come in, destroy my shit, and no one even took the teleporter once.) [/b] -Do you guys speak English? "Yeah". SGTNAPALM has left the game.[/QUOTE] always.

Think I hate most about being Engineer. Hee.

The problem is that one lone Engineer is a goner, but 3 Engineers is an unstoppable wall of halted progress. There's no real happy medium.

You know what my best class is? Engineer. 37 points 1 life. 12:25 life, 15 kills, most dominations 4. Perhaps engi is the defensive equivalent of the spy.

I disagree respectfully, if engineer was buffed, having 5 engineers could work. [editline]12:30AM[/editline] [QUOTE=Hokan;17277086]You know what my best class is? Engineer. 37 points 1 life. 12:25 life, 15 kills, most dominations 4. Perhaps engi is the defensive equivalent of the spy.[/QUOTE] 18 kills as engie for me :smug:

Dont forgot that a decent soldier can outrange a sentry, do splash damage or even sidestep out of a corner and kill a sentry.

[QUOTE=XelaX;17277506]Dont forgot that a decent soldier can outrange a sentry, do splash damage or even sidestep out of a corner and kill a sentry.[/QUOTE] If you repair the sentry, and you are far away enough not to take damage from the rockets, they can't do shit. Unless, of course, it's a level 1 sentry, in which case it doesn't matter. Detonate your sentry.

If you have a level 3 sentry with a Level 3 dispenser with full metal in it's reserves, you can keep tanking the Sentry and an ubered Soldier can not out damage you, unless an outside force plays in. (Soldier gets a crit rocket, Spy stabs you, third class assists in dealing damage behind the ubered pair, etc.)

Hopefully in the engineer update they'll give him some nice, balanced defense measures against Demomen and Spies.

[QUOTE=Ryu-Gi;17279613]Hopefully in the engineer update they'll give him some nice, balanced defense measures against Demomen and Spies.[/QUOTE] He already has some nice, balanced defense measures against Spies. They're called crit wrenches and, you know, [i]shooting them[/i].

[QUOTE=NotPigeon;17279705]He already has some nice, balanced defense measures against Spies. They're called crit wrenches and, you know, [i]shooting them[/i].[/QUOTE] OH! That's why the engineer has guns!

wait for the update

The engineer probably wasn't actually designed to let you build sentry nests that last whole rounds. Valve make that kind of stuff quite clear.

Don't forget about the pistol. It's surprising how much damage it can do and it comes with 200 ammo. I've taken down heavies with a crit pistol in less then five seconds.

My Engie nests ALWAYS end with 2 stickies. Or if I make a lvl1 sentry, a Pyro can destroy it, without corner-flames, and still have 169hp.

Most of the time a single demoman isn't a problem. Whip out your pistol and shoot down his stickies.

Engies can't really play alone. You need another engie to to effectivly set up and maintain base defences because a heavy medic pair can take out a sentry nest with ease but have trouble taking down two. Plus engies and defensive pyros work as well together as heavies and medics do. the engies provides them with limitless health and ammo and the pryo provides the best anti syp (and if they have the regular flamer andti uber) defence possible. Same applies if they are both on the offence.

[QUOTE=BillyJoe;17271220][rage] I mean, if your a lone engineer with one sentry and one dispencer, most classes can and will rape you. [b]The demoman can sticky, and for some reason its a bitch to shoot them, they explode before you do. For SOME retarded reason, the pyro can FLAME AROUND CORNERS, meaning he doesnt even need to be NEAR the sentry. If you have a courner sentry, your boned. A medic+heavy team can take out a sentry without an ubercharge, EASILY.[/b] To top it off, thanks to Bonk! The sentry chooses to aim at it, leaving ANY class to destroy it. [/rage][/QUOTE] I'm going to point out that the bolded were always like this, so they aren't nurfs.