[QUOTE=ned_ballad;32545508]Pyro:
Flamethrower:
Damage increased 10%
Backburner:
Removed +10% damage bonus
Degreaser:
Added -10% damage
Removed -25% burn damage[/QUOTE]
Hahahaha, I was talking about that exact thing earlier today with one of my classmates (bar the removal of the afterburn damage penalty).
And they still didn't get their percentages right.
it's a tiny difference to the degreaser, nothing to get worried about.
Valve is dumb. They're buffing the Pyro, but the Detonator still sucks despite heavy beta testing for two months that was completely ignored. Now they had a chance to fix it, and they drop the ball.
Unless they have an undocumented change or another update in the pipeline, starting [i]another[/i] testing period for something that was already proven to be balenced, but that's extremely wishful thinking.
The Australian Christmas update was on a Friday, just in case people wanted to not give up hope that the update is happening this week.
I hate how this thread is listed as "Major Update" on the frontpage. Makes me excited every time.
[QUOTE=ned_ballad;32545906]The Australian Christmas update was on a Friday, just in case people wanted to not give up hope that the update is happening this week.[/QUOTE]
Yes, but it seems silly that they'd test important changes like this to the Pyro a day before a major update where they could be added.
I don't think it's tomorrow, but I do [i]hope[/i] it is.
Ugh Seeing them add the Pyro buff this late makes me think its not tommorow :(
The Overall buff to Pyro is pretty awesome, He wasn't getting enough Love.
Lol they "nerfed" the pyro.
[QUOTE=SnowCanary;32545903]Valve is dumb. They're buffing the Pyro, but the Detonator still sucks despite heavy beta testing for two months that was completely ignored. Now they had a chance to fix it, and they drop the ball.
Unless they have an undocumented change or another update in the pipeline, starting [i]another[/i] testing period for something that was already proven to be balenced, but that's extremely wishful thinking.[/QUOTE]
Know what I hate? How the Detonator was tested with flare-jumping in mind after it was discovered that it could flare-jump, and then they day before it gets added some douche nerfed it.
Some one singular douche.
I will never let this go.
So based on wiki dps:
on beta now:
default flame = backburner = 153.5 / sec.
degreaser = default flame -10% = 138.5 / sec.
confirm?
[QUOTE=Bryceanater;32545955]Lol they "nerfed" the pyro.[/QUOTE]
What do you mean Nerf?
The stock does +10 more so the base for the others is increased too. but the degreaser gets -10
So basically the degreaser does the same as before yet has after burn still. It now just does -10 of the normal flamers damage.
Edit: Unless I'm really mistaken.
[QUOTE=C4rnage;32545968]So based on wiki dps:
on beta now:
default flame = backburner = 153.5 / sec.
degreaser = default flame -10% = 138.5 / sec.
confirm?[/QUOTE]
Since the flamer is hardcoded and used as the default for other flamers:
FT: Original - 139.4 / sec| Beta - 153.34
Buttburner: Same
Degreaser: Original 139.4 / sec | With -10% applied: 125.94 | With FT coding in play: 138.534
Checks out
only the stock Flamethrower got increased damage. The Backburner and Degreaser both do identical damage to what they did before the patch
[QUOTE=Bryceanater;32545955]Lol they "nerfed" the pyro.[/QUOTE]
Degreaser deals 99% of what it dealt prior to this but has reclaimed that extra 20 damage lost from the afterburn decrease.
It's a net damage buff against anything that isn't another Pyro or an Engineer's building.
I knew I was right. The default affects all the others hence the changes. Looks like we Might see a few more Stock flamethrowers then :/
but you can say degreaser got a buff, since its afterburn do full damage now.
They all want you kids to go to sleep so you won't cripple their servers when they'll launch the update.
Detonator for being a straight upgrade feels like a reskin for the flare gun
Item servers are down for me.
:tinfoil:
[sp]Or it could just be comcast fucking up on me again.[/sp]
[QUOTE=Cajun;32546473]Detonator for being a straight upgrade feels like a reskin for the flare gun[/QUOTE]
Since when has minicrits instead of Crits made something a "straight upgrade"?
[QUOTE=deathshadow97;32546501]Item servers are down for me.
:tinfoil:
[sp]Or it could just be comcast fucking up on me again.[/sp][/QUOTE]
Just you.
Tonight wasn't the night, maybe tomorrow :)
I hope it's before next Friday.
[sp]that's my birfday :3[/sp]
[QUOTE=Psychopath12;32546611]Since when has minicrits instead of Crits made something a "straight upgrade"?[/QUOTE]
Flares doing crits against burning opponents is a hard-coded attribute. Flares minicritting is a Detonator attribute. Switching weapons while the flare is flying makes it unable to be detonated, but able to crit on burning opponents. So, it can do what the Flare Gun does, AND what the Detonator does. Straight upgrade at the time being.
[QUOTE=Eriorguez;32547303]Flares doing crits against burning opponents is a hard-coded attribute. Flares minicritting is a Detonator attribute. Switching weapons while the flare is flying makes it unable to be detonated, but able to crit on burning opponents. So, it can do what the Flare Gun does, AND what the Detonator does. Straight upgrade at the time being.[/QUOTE]Bugs don't define what is and is not balanced.
So I made a fourt part hardcore plan to wake up in time for the update and it's not tonight ?
Damnit Valve.
[QUOTE=Psychopath12;32547318]Bugs don't define what is and is not balanced.[/QUOTE]
True, but as of now, and until it is patched, there is no reason to use the Flare Gun over the Detonator. It is just like the Buffalo Steak allowing you to use the Miniguns and doing minicrits; overpowered as hell and a upgrade over the Sandvich, but was corrected a week in. In the meantime, it was abused as hell.
[QUOTE=Eriorguez;32547412]True, but as of now, and until it is patched, there is no reason to use the Flare Gun over the Detonator. It is just like the Buffalo Steak allowing you to use the Miniguns and doing minicrits; overpowered as hell and a upgrade over the Sandvich, but was corrected a week in. In the meantime, it was abused as hell.[/QUOTE]
There is one reason, Personally the sound effect of the detonator is annoying as heck. That one sound prevents me from using the gun as a whole, but shotgun is better anyways
So wait, where did this whole badge thing come from? Is there a source on it, or is it pure speculation?
[QUOTE=Doughnuts;32547506]There is one reason, Personally the sound effect of the detonator is annoying as heck. That one sound prevents me from using the gun as a whole, but shotgun is better anyways[/QUOTE]
Flaregun and Shotgun are pretty much sidegrades, and the sound effect is subjective. It may give your position away more easily (specially when going after snipers and engies), but it isn't as important as with, say, the dead ringer.
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