Major Update Speculation Thread V4: Tonight's the Night For QR Codes - Games

Maybe Soldier will finally get the Pocket Launcher/Shotgun?

[QUOTE=SgtWoodsy;36475692]It's a fantastic idea but I [I]really[/I] don't think Icefrog would go for the "outside balances to Dota 2" thing.[/QUOTE] well no big sunday dinner on Gabe's tab for him then

or maybe even the fabled dumpster pack of yore

[QUOTE=ned_ballad;36475742]well no big sunday dinner on Gabe's tab for him then[/QUOTE] Gabe could easily eat Icefrog's food for him anyways. :v:

[QUOTE=ned_ballad;36475720]and for the other (very very very very neglected) end of the spectrum, allow... certain people to set attributes for weapons (as in 100% copy + paste and ship) and submit them for approval. Editing the schema, response rules, game_sounds.txt, etc, etc should not be some kind of secret society of hush hush under the table "we accept this, but this isn't any official" type deals they have now with non-art fixes. There's nothing wrong with us coders! Our half of the spectrum can be just as standardized and easy to implement as models. They just need to open the gates, and let us try :( Letting Item Test run custom items_games.txt would do WONDERS[/QUOTE] I love you Ned but you're not a coder, sorry, this schema stuff is even easier than scripting (which isn't coding).

I tried to play Dota 2. It didn't go well. So now I'm back to waiting for the update [IMG]http://www.facepunch.com/fp/ratings/rainbow.png[/IMG]

jeeze! 101 pages in 2 days! you guys are going [I]Bananas![/I] Banana jokes are still funny right :v:?

What was that one pack that gave Soldier an AK-47

[QUOTE=igotopinions;36475638]While we're talking about this crap, the wiki reminded me: what the hell is the purpose of the pyro's back canister? It's not attached to anything, it doesn't match any replaceable parts of the stock flamethrower, so what does it do?[/QUOTE] It's supposed to be an oxygen tank, his suit is lined with asbestos so its kind of hard for him to breath without it.

[QUOTE=NeoDement;36475763]I love you Ned but you're not a coder, sorry, this schema stuff is even easier than scripting (which isn't coding).[/QUOTE] My degree is a lie D: BS in New Media Interactive Development

meet the pyro on thursday (if multi day update) little tf2 updates on thursdays MEGA Team Fortress 2 Update Confirmed... Nah, i'm joking.

[QUOTE=Mega Tuna;36475781]jeeze! 101 pages in 2 days! you guys are going [I]Bananas![/I] Banana jokes are still funny right :v:?[/QUOTE] Sort of, but it's been a few days, so the jokes have lost their a[I]peel[/I].

[QUOTE=Creeper120;36475793]meet the pyro on thursday (if multi day update) little tf2 updates on thursdays MEGA Team Fortress 2 Update Confirmed... Nah, i'm joking.[/QUOTE] this is some high level poetry right here

We need a confused/huh? rating methinks.

[QUOTE=BlindSniper17;36475818]We need a confused/huh? rating methinks.[/QUOTE] We need a "There's no rating for this" rating or a "custom rating" system

So anyway, anyone got any ideas how to buff the stock Flamethrower? It's needs to be a decent side-grade, but the Degreaser outmatches it in everyway.

[QUOTE=BlindSniper17;36475794]Sort of, but it's been a few days, so the jokes have lost their a[I]peel[/I].[/QUOTE] True But they're made in [I]great taste.[/I]

[url]http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2876&searchtext=[/url] My stats idea: Alt fire releases spray paint that partially blinds an opponent temporarily. (Can be ended earlier by going into water) +20% Ammo Consumption Rate +5% Damage -5% Range Well, it probably is a crappy idea but I just had to get it out of my head.

[QUOTE=Combat Wombat;36475790]It's supposed to be an oxygen tank, his suit is lined with asbestos so its kind of hard for him to breath without it.[/QUOTE] ! thanks, that actually makes total sense!

[QUOTE=TheRealFierce;36475832]So anyway, anyone got any ideas how to buff the stock Flamethrower? It's needs to be a decent side-grade, but the Degreaser outmatches it in everyway.[/QUOTE] Supposedly they buffed it in the beta with 10% more damage.

[QUOTE=TheRealFierce;36475832]So anyway, anyone got any ideas how to buff the stock Flamethrower? It's needs to be a decent side-grade, but the Degreaser outmatches it in everyway.[/QUOTE] It's just not going to happen without ruining the Degreaser, and Pyro basically relies on the Degreaser to remain even somewhat relevant.

[QUOTE=Yukoviz;36475728]It's really not that hard to pick a theme for an set. It allows you to be more abstract, as you're creating a larger umbrella. If well-executed, all of the pieces of the set can remain under the umbrella while still allowing diversity. And besides, nobody likes to have a retro-futuristic rocket launcher, olive shotgun and riding crop on the same class. I know that that loadout is horrible and nobody would ever use it, but if I wasn't lazy I'm sure I could think of something everyone uses that doesn't fit at all. As I said, if well-executed, a set can have good enough synergy that people will actually use the items in combination. Unfortunately, that hasn't been achieved yet. Closest to doing so would be the Milkman set.[/QUOTE] I can agree with what you're saying, but I also think inventing stats for one-off items can net some really amazing, unique, and abstract stuff, too. Take, for instance, the Sandvich. An awesome and funny idea that works really well on its own. If that had been part of a pack, we probably would've got some sort of health-themed minigun and melee weapon, and because they would've been way too OP when used together, there would've been inevitable nerfs to each of the items. Meaning that the Sandvich on its own would've been a more nerfed and useless item to use without the other weapons in its pack. Just some biased, wild speculation in order to mesh with my two cents. :) Obviously sets can be done right, like the stuff from the Saharan Spy. The YER is a great weapon on its own.

YER didn't need the L'Etranger, it just weighs it down. I think the Deus Ex update showed you didn't need sets to have creative weapons.

So, guys... [IMG]http://i1189.photobucket.com/albums/z424/BanthaFodder95/headfullaeyeballs.jpg[/IMG] [i]how 'bout that Pyro, huh?[/i]

[QUOTE=ned_ballad;36475852]It's just not going to happen without ruining the Degreaser, and Pyro basically relies on the Degreaser to remain even somewhat relevant.[/QUOTE] Hmm, my take on trying to nerf the Degreaser without breaking it would be adding less damage to it perhaps, so it won't work well as a overall catching someone on fire weapon, but still maintain it's "puff-n'-sting" tactics.

The Degreaser could have -90% damage and it would still be used. You don't damage with the Degreaser, you light the enemy on fire, and then you go to town using the Axtinguisher as your main damaging element. What would be... different, would be to lower melee swing speed with the Degreaser. I don't like stats that effect other slots, but this would allow the Degreaser to basically be the same as it is now, unless you missed the axti swing.

If they do one of these, I will be happy: 1. Degreaser with higher airblast cost or 2. Axetinguisher that mini-crits burning targets (but can get random crits)

What about folks that mostly just use the shotgun in tandem with the degreaser? e: uh, that was directed at ned, in case that wasn't obvious

It's sorta weird to see that everything thinks that every pyro uses the axtinguisher. It's not all that good in higher-level play, because people don't let you get close to them. Backscratcher, powerjack (set bonus), and homewrecker all see use in competitive environments (depending on the bans). [QUOTE=ned_ballad;36475852]It's just not going to happen without ruining the Degreaser, and Pyro basically relies on the Degreaser to remain even somewhat relevant.[/QUOTE] Just take the buff away from the degreaser as a downside. Ex: Flamethrower gets +10% damage, degreaser gets -10% damage. Net change to degreaser: -1% damage, no one cares.

[QUOTE=igotopinions;36476003]What about folks that mostly just use the shotgun in tandem with the degreaser?[/QUOTE] This is actually what I do. Use shotgun as the primary damage element at medium range and push until I'm in melee range, puff a small bit of fire, light them up, then Axtinguish to death. It helps I also have a strange shotgun and strange axti