What is your opinion on the Phlogistonator? - Games

Not if you are aware of the sounds spies make. Also, a bullet from the revolver at close range does 60 damage, and it fires every 0.58 second. When you realice what's happening, you are down to 5 health.

[QUOTE=Eriorguez;34912944]Not if you are aware of the sounds spies make. Also, a bullet from the revolver at close range does 60 damage, and it fires every 0.58 second. When you realice what's happening, you are down to 5 health.[/QUOTE] Still 5 health more you'd have to fight him compared to if he gets his free backstab. Plus, if I was a spy and saw a sniper with no razorback away from all the action I'd uncloak pretty far away so he wouldn't hear me.

ok guys listen, spies have guns and guns hurt everything at close range, let alone disorient the hell out of snipers that are scoped in. this debate is stupid and you're stupid for arguing about this actually the phlog is a lot like the razorback. retarded spies who try to backstab your giant piece of wood are like retarded anyone who attacks a phlog pyro while he's taunting or anyone who can't take out a pyro from a distance while he doesn't have an air blast. phlog's a shit weapon to use against shit players and that's about it.

[QUOTE=TheJoey;34913621]ok guys listen, spies have guns and guns hurt everything at close range, let alone disorient the hell out of snipers that are scoped in. this debate is stupid and you're stupid for arguing about this actually the phlog is a lot like the razorback. retarded spies who try to backstab your giant piece of wood are like retarded anyone who attacks a phlog pyro while he's taunting or anyone who can't take out a pyro from a distance while he doesn't have an air blast. phlog's a shit weapon to use against shit players and that's about it.[/QUOTE] Good thing you came along and settled the debate by douching the thread up.

[QUOTE=sasurai;34912790]How you gonna use jarate if you already died of a bare back?[/QUOTE] Well, better than using nothing when you're dead of fatal cranium damage.

[QUOTE=Drury;34914713]Well, better than using nothing when you're dead of fatal cranium damage.[/QUOTE] You're not making sense though. 0% of the time I survive a bare back freebie backstab. 25% of the time I survive a spy shooting at the back of my head. Gee I wonder what option I'll keep using...

[QUOTE=sasurai;34914980]You're not making sense though. 0% of the time I survive a bare back freebie backstab. 25% of the time I survive a spy shooting at the back of my head. Gee I wonder what option I'll keep using...[/QUOTE] And then a Scout comes by and bops you since he knows you have no SMG or piss to scare him off with. WHOOPS!

[QUOTE=sasurai;34914980]You're not making sense though. 0% of the time I survive a bare back freebie backstab. 25% of the time I survive a spy shooting at the back of my head. Gee I wonder what option I'll keep using...[/QUOTE] Go ahead and use the razorback and I'll laugh at your body dropping dead from my ambassador headshot.

A bad weapon to kill bad players. Pretty meh.

[QUOTE=Demonkahh;34915534]Go ahead and use the razorback and I'll laugh at your body dropping dead from my ambassador headshot.[/QUOTE] Yes I'm sure we'll ever meet in a game.

The only time I saw a razorback work is when a huntsman sniper was chilling in the midst of five guys and I could only chainstab four of them. It didn't exactly help him against the crit pipe however.

I don't think it's overpowered, more annoying than anything. The crits are a pain, yes, but just rocket jump or run away or whatever when you see him taunt. Plus the no airblast means you can rain rockets and projectiles on him easily. It is no replacement to the degreaser.

[QUOTE=Psychopath12;34905157]Not once did he nor I ever say or even imply that. Go reread.[/QUOTE] Wasn't talking to you.

[QUOTE=Drury;34912668]Uhhh I use vanilla revolver and even then razorback usually prolongs sniper's life by mere microseconds. With amby he's down in the same time it would take spy to get behind his back. It's a waste of secondary slot, and it's sad to see snipers use it. Jarate detects even DEAD RINGER![/QUOTE] If the Razorback is so useless then why do I see it used when I peruse highlander comp videos. Hell, even in one of those 9v6 pub v pros matches I saw one of the 6's offclass to sniper... with a razorback. I think with Sniper you can get so good with the rifle (quick scope shots, etc), that you don't need a secondary to do well. Before you can get a second shot off with the Ambassador, a good sniper using a Razorback will just zoom in and headshot you.

Amby has got attack interval of a little more than half a second, and spy doesn't need to wait for cooldown for headshot since second shot kills you no matter what (102 headshot + 30 bodyshot > 125) If you aren't that good to aim at spy's head in half a second and headshot him (and I assume there are under 500 active snipers worldwide able to pull that off these days), there's still practically no reason to use razorback. Plus I've seen way more comp players use SMG.

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Phlog dun got nerfed: - Updated The Phlogistinator: - Fixed a bug where Mmmph-crit flames could cause Mmmph to build fast enough to allow it to be infinitely chained - Direct damage reduced by 10%. Afterburn damage is unchanged - Defense buff time during taunt lowered from 12 seconds to 10 seconds

Not this thread again, and besides I thought we had the armory for game balance discussion.

[QUOTE=usaokay;35159770][b]Teamwork[/b] is OP if you know how to exploit its effects. Get [b]nearly any weapon[/b] ready, then have a Medic uber you. The only weakness is a Pyro with airblast or any form of knockback (jumping while a sentry is shooting you).[/QUOTE] Gee I sure do hate it when certain weapons turn the tide of battle because they've been ubered.

Phlog has always been a bad weapon, but at least now you will die less often from your teammates incompetence.

It's not a bad weapon, however, I find it pretty much annoying. I mean, I can easily counter it as a soldier if I'm distanced enough from the Pyro using it, but may God help me once Pyro gets his crits. And even though the fact that it can't airblast makes me happy when I go soldier on him, that's the exact thing it lacks, because airblasts can be beneficial to the team too (reflecting projectiles + extinguishing burning teammates) and it takes actually way more skills to pull out air blasting correctly, whenever Phlog gives you mostly only one option and that's W+M1. Oh, and the fact that it has longer range also makes me uneasy, because most of the time I can't back out properly away from the person using it. In my honest opinion, a good Pyro that uses Degreaser + Axtingishuer (if he can use Reserve Shooter too, even bettter) is a more of a challenge for me than Pyro using only Phlog. While I have to think on how to counter a good pyro with Degreaser, all I need to do against a Pyro with Phlog is pop two rockets directly underneath him. It's just... annoying. Nothing more.

Well, the Phlog is now worthless. Congratulations all you moaning maggots; this is why we can't have nice things.

[QUOTE=Lord Exor;35160262]Well, the Phlog is now worthless. Congratulations all you moaning maggots; this is why we can't have nice things.[/QUOTE] -10% damage SUDDENLY WORTHLESS

it doesnt have flame physics which make it OP you can w+m1 and still get full distance of "flame" [editline]16th March 2012[/editline] woah when the hell did this thread become about the razorback

Super powerful against bad players, super bad against good players. At least my experience with it.

[QUOTE=Jesp;35160512]Super powerful against bad players, super bad against good players. At least my experience with it.[/QUOTE] the trick is to get your rage (or whatever it's called) meter full from bad players and then ambush good players with crits :D

The phlog is no more overpowered than the degreaser combos, if its not actually WEAKER. Flaming a guy to death is MUCH harder than M1 + Q + M1 to kill instantly. I think rushing out full bore with crits is a dumb idea, but the flamethrower itself isn't bad, it's how people use it that makes everyone bitch and moan about it.

[QUOTE=Guitarplayer213;35163949]The phlog is no more overpowered than the degreaser combos, if its not actually WEAKER. Flaming a guy to death is MUCH harder than M1 + Q + M1 to kill instantly. I think rushing out full bore with crits is a dumb idea, but the flamethrower itself isn't bad, it's how people use it that makes everyone bitch and moan about it.[/QUOTE] it doesnt have physics though so OP

[QUOTE=HybridTheroy;35164531]it doesnt have physics though so OP[/QUOTE] What?

[QUOTE=Guitarplayer213;35164679]What?[/QUOTE] if you run forward with a flamethrower the flame is pushed back due to forward momentum (i dont know maybe valve removed this? but that would be stupid as fuck). It's also affected by turning. the phlogistonator isn't affected by momentum. there has been multiple scenarios where it seems i get fucked over by this. like as a pyro, dueling another pyro, circling eachother, my flame pushes off to the side due to momentum while phlog pyro gets full reach and constantly get until i die. a pyro using a backburner should not have a problem taking down a pyro without a backburner, especially if the backburner pyro made the first flame. But I always get owned by this situation.