Major Update Speculation: V8: Rise of the Machines! - Games

you know, I think this stands a chance to be implemented [url]http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=91559022&searchtext=[/url] He's been in communication with Valve over it and they seem to like it.

[QUOTE=ned_ballad;37509582]how can they not allow mods on Valve servers, but my mittens Heavy Bots were all glowing? :x I was in MannUp mode. They were glowing. It doesn't add up, unless Valve allows mods on MannUp servers[/QUOTE] [url]http://wiki.tf/d/1138305[/url] [url]http://wiki.tf/d/1138306[/url] Nice job.

Wouldn't mind it, works quite well in L4D2.

[QUOTE=ned_ballad;37509643]you know, I think this stands a chance to be implemented [url]http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=91559022&searchtext=[/url] He's been in communication with Valve over it and they seem to like it.[/QUOTE] thats worse than viewmodels i would like to see a transparency slider for viewmodels, who else?

[QUOTE=ned_ballad;37509643]you know, I think this stands a chance to be implemented [url]http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=91559022&searchtext=[/url] He's been in communication with Valve over it and they seem to like it.[/QUOTE] this is what it will actually look like [img]http://puu.sh/11kNS[/img]

maybe he should move it over to the left side and cut down the size of the box by a lot.

I'm not sure whether Valve would want to ship only the English subtitles instead of waiting for the other voiced languages

I'd like it better if it was teamcolored rather than colors for all the classes.

[QUOTE=HazzaHardie;37509899]this is what it will actually look like [img]http://puu.sh/11kNS[/img][/QUOTE] Engineer: Well don't that beat all? Engineer: Well don't that beat all? Engineer: Well don't that beat all? Engineer: Well don't that beat all? Engineer: Well don't that beat all? Engineer: Well don't that beat all? Engineer: Well don't that beat all?

I was going to say that it could help with essential dialogue in mvm but we have all those amazing audio cues. Buying in, upgrade used, teammate death and tank spawning. Those sounds go a long way.

[QUOTE=VintageCat;37509961]Engineer: Well don't that beat all? Engineer: Well don't that beat all? Engineer: Well don't that beat all? Engineer: Well don't that beat all? Engineer: Well don't that beat all? Engineer: Well don't that beat all? Engineer: Well don't that beat all?[/QUOTE] Heavy: Put dispenser here. Heavy: Put dispenser here. Heavy: Put dispenser here. Heavy: Put dispenser here.

Looking at the MvM upgrades currently available, I could imagine some of them being used as stats for future weapons in the main game. Explosive headshots, projectile-destroying miniguns, disposable sentries, two way teleporters. All of those could be reused for normal mode and make things more interesting in the future. Speaking of which, how do you think they're going to justify Red and Blu still fighting now that both the two Mann brothers are dead?

[QUOTE=Blueleaf;37510048] Speaking of which, how do you think they're going to justify Red and Blu still fighting now that both the two Mann brothers are dead?[/QUOTE] After they defeat Grey Mann, Saxton Hale will pay them to continue fighting and TF2 becomes a TV show

after watching meet the medic again, i noticed a little more -right after the splash screen at the beginning, on the x-ray, there is the bomb from mvm at 24 seconds -the cardioscan has the same font as the sapper, at 34 seconds, suggesting its from spytech -chaofanatic's mtm medibeam particles are way sexy

[QUOTE=Erfly;37509990]Heavy: Put dispenser here. Heavy: Put dispenser here. Heavy: Put dispenser here. Heavy: Put dispenser here.[/QUOTE] And on servers that have tf_max_voice_speak_delay set to -1: [code]Engineer: Gotta move that gear up! Engineer: Gotta move that gear up! Engineer: Gotta move that gear up! Engineer: Gotta move that gear up! Engineer: Gotta move that gear up! Engineer: Gotta move that gear up! Engineer: Gotta move that gear up! Engineer: Gotta move that gear up! Engineer: Gotta move that gear up! Engineer: Gotta move that gear up! Engineer: Gotta move that gear up! Engineer: Gotta move that gear up! Engineer: Gotta move that gear up! Engineer: Gotta move that gear up! Engineer: Gotta move that gear up! Engineer: Gotta move that gear up! Engineer: Gotta move that gear up! Engineer: Gotta move that gear up! Engineer: Gotta move that gear up! Engineer: Gotta move that gear up! Engineer: Gotta move that gear up! Engineer: Gotta move that gear up! Engineer: Gotta move that gear up! Engineer: Gotta move that gear up! Engineer: Gotta move that gear up! Engineer: Gotta move that gear up! Engineer: Gotta move that gear up! Engineer: Gotta move that gear up! Engineer: Gotta move that gear up! Engineer: Gotta move that gear up! Engineer: Gotta move that gear up! Engineer: Gotta move that gear up! Engineer: Gotta move that gear up! Engineer: Gotta move that gear up! Engineer: Gotta move that gear up! Engineer: Gotta move that gear up! Engineer: Gotta move that gear up! Engineer: Gotta move that gear up! Engineer: Gotta move that gear up! Engineer: Gotta move that gear up! Engineer: Gotta move that gear up! Engineer: Gotta move that gear up! Engineer: Gotta move that gear up! Engineer: Gotta move that gear up! Engineer: Gotta move that gear up! Engineer: Gotta move that gear up! Engineer: Gotta move that gear up! Engineer: Gotta move that gear up! Engineer: Gotta move that gear up![/code]

[QUOTE=Blueleaf;37510048] Speaking of which, how do you think they're going to justify Red and Blu still fighting now that both the two Mann brothers are dead?[/QUOTE] Everything after Page 39 never happened. Gray tricks Blutarch into being in an alliance with him to defeat Redmond, trying to co-erce Blutarch into making sure only BLU receives MannCo weapons. As part of the plan, Blutarch discloses the locations of all the MannCo facilities, falling right into Gray's plan. Saxton commissions Redmond to protect MannCo or lose access to all of MannCos products. He continues to sell products to BLU because "money" Then when they need RED robots against BLU offensive humans, Gray can play the same trick on BLU. And this is how I rationalize it. I think they may have been too hasty to cut off Blutarch and Redmond from the story, because now it's full of weird plot holes and not much else they can do going forward short of retconning the whole thing (which they'll probably do).

[QUOTE=Blueleaf;37510048]Speaking of which, how do you think they're going to justify Red and Blu still fighting now that both the two Mann brothers are dead?[/QUOTE] You know how Doomsday has a certain place in the timeline? All multiplayer content going forward is set before MvM. [QUOTE] And this is how I rationalize it. I think they may have been too hasty to cut off Blutarch and Redmond from the story, because now it's full of weird plot holes and not much else they can do going forward short of retconning the whole thing (which they'll probably do). [/QUOTE] Ned, I treasure you, but I must disagree completely. Killing off Redmond and Blutrach was the "oh shit" moment of the update for me, the moment where I realized MvM was a game-changer (literally). That, and nothing irks me more than a bullshit reset to the status quo. I'm sure the various dangling threads will be addressed in coming updates, and even if we don't get RED and BLU fighting directly aside each other, I can still see MvM: Counter-attack or whatever they wanna call it pitting BLU against Red-bots. RED defending Mannco while BLU tries to stem the tide of mechanical menace strikes me as more exciting than business as usual.

[QUOTE=AbeX300;37510124]And on servers that have tf_max_voice_speak_delay set to -1: [code]Engineer: Gotta move that gear up! Engineer: Gotta move that gear up! Engineer: Gotta move that gear up! Engineer: Gotta move that gear up! Engineer: Gotta move that gear up! Engineer: Gotta move that gear up! Engineer: Gotta move that gear up! Engineer: Gotta move that gear up! Engineer: Gotta move that gear up! Engineer: Gotta move that gear up! Engineer: Gotta move that gear up! Engineer: Gotta move that gear up! Engineer: Gotta move that gear up! Engineer: Gotta move that gear up! Engineer: Gotta move that gear up! Engineer: Gotta move that gear up! Engineer: Gotta move that gear up! Engineer: Gotta move that gear up! Engineer: Gotta move that gear up! Engineer: Gotta move that gear up! Engineer: Gotta move that gear up! Engineer: Gotta move that gear up! Engineer: Gotta move that gear up! Engineer: Gotta move that gear up! Engineer: Gotta move that gear up! Engineer: Gotta move that gear up! Engineer: Gotta move that gear up! Engineer: Gotta move that gear up! Engineer: Gotta move that gear up! Engineer: Gotta move that gear up! Engineer: Gotta move that gear up! Engineer: Gotta move that gear up! Engineer: Gotta move that gear up! Engineer: Gotta move that gear up! Engineer: Gotta move that gear up! Engineer: Gotta move that gear up! Engineer: Gotta move that gear up! Engineer: Gotta move that gear up! Engineer: Gotta move that gear up! Engineer: Gotta move that gear up! Engineer: Gotta move that gear up! Engineer: Gotta move that gear up! Engineer: Gotta move that gear up! Engineer: Gotta move that gear up! Engineer: Gotta move that gear up! Engineer: Gotta move that gear up! Engineer: Gotta move that gear up! Engineer: Gotta move that gear up! Engineer: Gotta move that gear up![/code][/QUOTE] Need a dispenser here!

[QUOTE=Screencapper;37510221] Ned, I treasure you, but I must disagree completely. Killing off Redmond and Blutrach was the "oh shit" moment of the update for me, the moment where I realized MvM was a game-changer (literally). [/QUOTE] the problem is, it was way out of left field, and didn't even have anything to do with how MvM is even played. The comic implied a hostile take over of Mann Co and both teams working towards saving it, but in game we see BLU team with robots fighting a RED team. The story could have taken into account the gameplay of MvM and worked the story around it, not trying to make up a story for MvM but having it not really mean anything in MvM. Nobody in game even mentions Gray, it's as if the entire thing is just not there and the robots came at their own devices. Substitute "robot aliens crashed on Earth and threaten the TF2 universe" and it makes just as much, if not more sense then the story we got. Which means the story we did get is fairly hollow and meaningless. With other story elements you couldn't do that. The Horsemann will always be Silas Mann, who fights in an old Mann family home. Monoculus will always be Demoman's eye, you can't go "It's an alien!" because it uses Demoman's lines and looks like Demoman's eye, and is referenced as such in stories latter. With MvM there is no in-game connection. We might as well be fighting an accidental sentient experiment from Mann Co or alien robots. Gray is meaningless. Valve knew about RED humans vs BLU Bots for awhile, I don't know why they decided to ignore how the game is actually played and instead tried to throw in another story which implied a totally different game mode.

[QUOTE=ned_ballad;37510566]the problem is, it was way out of left field, and didn't even have anything to do with how MvM is even played. The comic implied a hostile take over of Mann Co and both teams working towards saving it, but in game we see BLU team with robots fighting a RED team. The story could have taken into account the gameplay of MvM and worked the story around it, not trying to make up a story for MvM but having it not really mean anything in MvM. Nobody in game even mentions Gray, it's as if the entire thing is just not there and the robots came at their own devices. Substitute "robot aliens crashed on Earth and threaten the TF2 universe" and it makes just as much, if not more sense then the story we got. Which means the story we did get is fairly hollow and meaningless. With other story elements you couldn't do that. The Horsemann will always be Silas Mann, who fights in an old Mann family home. Monoculus will always be Demoman's eye, you can't go "It's an alien!" because it uses Demoman's lines and looks like Demoman's eye, and is referenced as such in stories latter. With MvM there is no in-game connection. We might as well be fighting an accidental sentient experiment from Mann Co or alien robots. Gray is meaningless. Valve knew about RED humans vs BLU Bots for awhile, I don't know why they decided to ignore how the game is actually played and instead tried to throw in another story which implied a totally different game mode.[/QUOTE] Actually, I'm pretty sure the announcer sometimes says in one of the 'wave lost' lines, "Maybe I should hire Gray!" Edit: Huh, it's hire /them/, not Gray. Huh, your entire post still stands then.

[QUOTE=Blueleaf;37510048]Looking at the MvM upgrades currently available, I could imagine some of them being used as stats for future weapons in the main game. Explosive headshots, projectile-destroying miniguns, disposable sentries, two way teleporters. All of those could be reused for normal mode and make things more interesting in the future. Speaking of which, how do you think they're going to justify Red and Blu still fighting now that both the two Mann brothers are dead?[/QUOTE] a christmas miracle

I personally like to think MVM is a side-story. A "What if?" scenario. It's not on the main track of the storyline, but something of a quick stop and breather to hear a different situation go down. [I]...That's what i think anyway.[/I]

Personally, I think that MvM takes place years in the future, and the core TF2 takes place before that happens. Problem solved in one.

[QUOTE=Armisael;37510733]Personally, I think that MvM takes place years in the future, and the core TF2 takes place before that happens. Problem solved in one.[/QUOTE] The game could at least acknowledge the storyline relating to Gray. Even an off-hand nod towards it would suffice, but at this state it doesn't even matter if Gray exists since there's not even a reference to him in-game other than ARG elements. The robots are there, that's all that seems to matter.

[QUOTE=spd12;37510646] Edit: Huh, it's hire /them/, not Gray. Huh, your entire post still stands then.[/QUOTE] exactly. Through the entire game the robots are treated as if they're acting on their own accord and Gray isn't anywhere to be seen or heard from. They could have had the old man yelling "Now I take Mann Co muahahahah... cough cough" or something at the start of waves, just to let us know the dude actually does something. Actually develop the character. But now we're left with 2 dead characters who had been developed for years, and one new comer who has no relevance to TF2 at all besides appearing for a small number of pages in a comic. We don't know anything about Gray's personality, besides him feeling like he should own Mann Co. With Redmond and Blutarch we had histories, we knew they were immortal, fighting forever over rocks they were tricked into thinking had value. RED and BLU aren't fighting over anything, it's a meaningless war with no end. The brothers are stupid, bitter and stubborn. Gray is... evil? Smart? Why does he want Mann Co? For money? Why does he need money? Why does he need Mann Co? His robots wield Mann Co made weapons. Why does he need money? If he's a genius, there's nothing stopping him from selling his robots. Why is Gray introduced as being foreign to Redmond and Blutarch, as they had met him a century earlier at their father's death.

[QUOTE=ned_ballad;37510833]exactly. Through the entire game the robots are treated as if they're acting on their own accord and Gray isn't anywhere to be seen or heard from. They could have had the old man yelling "Now I take Mann Co muahahahah... cough cough" or something at the start of waves, just to let us know the dude actually does something. Actually develop the character. But now we're left with 2 dead characters who had been developed for years, and one new comer who has no relevance to TF2 at all besides appearing for a small number of pages in a comic. We don't know anything about Gray's personality, besides him feeling like he should own Mann Co. With Redmond and Blutarch we had histories, we knew they were immortal, fighting forever over rocks they were tricked into thinking had value. RED and BLU aren't fighting over anything, it's a meaningless war with no end. The brothers are stupid, bitter and stubborn. Gray is... evil? Smart? Why does he want Mann Co? For money? Why does he need money? Why does he need Mann Co? His robots wield Mann Co made weapons. Why does he need money? If he's a genius, there's nothing stopping him from selling his robots. Why is Gray introduced as being foreign to Redmond and Blutarch, as they had met him a century earlier at their father's death.[/QUOTE] It's in his name: Gray Mann believes that he should be the rightful owner of Mann Co. and not the Hale family. The reason that the company was handed over to Baranbus was because Zepheniah left it to him in his will, but also so that his two idiot sons would not have that much power in their hands. So he sentenced them to bicker over useless plots of land like they had done their entire lives before then. And Gray was introduced as foreign because the two old coots have memory issues, they managed to forget who he was within 30 seconds -- it's not unheard of them to forget about meeting him at the reading of their father's will.

[QUOTE=ned_ballad;37510833]they had met him a century earlier at their father's death.[/QUOTE] That's an assumption. I believe that the split person in the family portrait is actually multiple people at the opposite ends of a larger portion that's missing. The pictures don't line up that well at the moment.

I think a lot of Gray's power comes from the fact that we DON'T know much about him. For years, it's been RED vs. BLU, with the Administrator ruling over all, now all of a sudden, we have a third party that completely changes the power dynamic. Heck, listen to some of the Administrator's lines in MvM: she sounds SCARED. The robots are completely alien, just like Gray Mann. We don't know anything about him, or about them, aside from the fact that they want us dead and they outgun us. It's thematically important, even if we don't have Gray Mann doing the charleston on top of the tank while he spray paints GRAY MANN WUZ HERE all over the maps. [QUOTE] But now we're left with 2 dead characters who had been developed for years, and one new comer who has no relevance to TF2 at all besides appearing for a small number of pages in a comic. We don't know anything about Gray's personality, besides him feeling like he should own Mann Co. [/QUOTE] Blutrach and Redmond didn't exist for three years after the launch of TF2, and you want Gray Mann fully fleshed out in less than a month? Give the dude some time.

Almost makes one think that one team worked on all the story bits and a second team did the actual game mode. either one team or both kept the other in the dark or they both had completely different idea's leaving us with the game mode and all this conflicting story material. or could be coding issues(which seems far fetched since iirc it runs on a separate engine)...play tester issues (again far fetched since this has been in development for so long) or valve just being valve.

[QUOTE=emmens;37511198]Almost makes one think that one team worked on all the story bits and a second team did the actual game mode. either one team or both kept the other in the dark or they both had completely different idea's leaving us with the game mode and all this conflicting story material. or could be coding issues(which seems far fetched since iirc it runs on a separate engine)...play tester issues (again far fetched since this has been in development for so long) or valve just being valve.[/QUOTE] I still don't like how the robots aren't gray at all, they're blue. Valve could at least reskin the robots to be gray and specific classes to be blue, like in the video.