Major Update Speculation V5: Somewhere over the rainbow

[ned_ballad]

[QUOTE=Insane516;36578282]no actually most taunts aren't used in normal combat - you're being far fetched[/QUOTE]

Then explain the Amputator...

[Insane516]

[QUOTE=Psychopath12;36578281]Reskins are one of the lowest-selling things in the Mann Co Store. Why would they continue to add more reskins is beyond me. The Rainblower and Lollichop have the Pyroland effect as their unique attributes, and the former has the killtaunt. They are less like reskins than the Nessie's Nine Iron, Postal Pummeler, or Horseless Headless Horsemann's Headtaker.[/QUOTE]

yeah, so what is the problem with them?

is the addition of a kill-taunt that takes a few seconds to rev itself up worthy of such animosity and accusations of total-game breaking qualities? lel

[tso]

thats more an alt-fire than anything

[ned_ballad]

Nobody is saying it's gamebreaking, I'm saying it makes the weapon unique, that it's not a true reskin, that it's closer to being an actual weapon and the taunt effect is the upside, while Pyroland is the downside.

[Insane516]

[QUOTE=ned_ballad;36578292]Then explain the Amputator...[/QUOTE]

amputator taunt isn't a "taunt", in the sense of what we see taunts as

taunts are like high fives, stock taunts, etc - valve is using an animation etc-

look, they're [I]different[/I] - don't over analyze that, you're being naive

[editline]1st July 2012[/editline]

[QUOTE=ned_ballad;36578318]Nobody is saying it's gamebreaking, I'm saying it makes the weapon unique, that it's not a true reskin, that it's closer to being an actual weapon and the taunt effect is the upside, while Pyroland is the downside.[/QUOTE]

if it wasn't such a big deal why did you spend 2 pages arguing about it

[ChrisDom]

[QUOTE=Insane516;36578319]amputator taunt isn't a "taunt", in the sense of what we see taunts as

taunts are like high fives, stock taunts, etc - valve is using an animation etc-

look, they're [I]different[/I] - don't over analyze that, you're being naive[/QUOTE]

Alright, now you're being a cunt.

[ned_ballad]

And maybe the Rainblower's taunt isn't a "taunt" either, and it's actually an unlisted attribute.

[Insane516]

[QUOTE=ned_ballad;36578338]And maybe the Rainblower's taunt isn't a "taunt" either, and it's actually an unlisted attribute.[/QUOTE]

ask valve to add it into the weapon stats to appease you :eng101:

[Killer Monkey]

You can turn off pyro land your self so your downside theory is invalid. I want an option be cause that thig takes up half the screen and the "flames" that it shoots are way to big.

[ChrisDom]

The Amputator's taunt happens to have a special effect that heals people.
Taunts that kill you happen to have a special effect that kills people.
Drinking is classified as a taunt.
The Ubersaw can give you 100% uber with a taunt kill.

I don't understand why you're trying so hard to defend the rainblower and pyroland when pyroland does make things a little hard to look at while the rainblower is an upgrade to the vanilla by giving it a taunt kill.

[Insane516]

[QUOTE=ChrisDom;36578389]The Amputator's taunt happens to have a special effect that heals people.
Taunts that kill you happen to have a special effect that kills people.
Drinking is classified as a taunt.
The Ubersaw can give you 100% uber with a taunt kill.

I don't understand why you're trying so hard to defend the rainblower and pyroland when pyroland does make things a little hard to look at while the rainblower is an upgrade to the vanilla by giving it a taunt kill.[/QUOTE]

upgrade =/= tauntkill

[ned_ballad]

[QUOTE=Killer monkey;36578386]You can turn off pyro land your self so your downside theory is invalid. I want an option be cause that thig takes up half the screen and the "flames" that it shoots are way to big.[/QUOTE]

you can't turn off the worst of the visual downsides, like the lack of team particles and voices.

[Mio Akiyama]

The is the Major Update SPeculation thread not a debate thread, quit arguing and get back to speculating

[noodleboy347]

Just disable Pyroland in mtp.cfg

Jesus Christ

[ChrisDom]

[QUOTE=Insane516;36578398]upgrade =/= tauntkill[/QUOTE]

It's a reskin with another way to kill people.

If pyroland didn't automatically turn on when you equip it, there would be no reason to use the vanilla flamethrower.

[alwaysrage]

[QUOTE=Insane516;36578398]upgrade =/= tauntkill[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Insane516;36578235]stop[/QUOTE]

[ned_ballad]

[QUOTE=noodleboy347;36578413]Just disable Pyroland in mtp.cfg

Jesus Christ[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=ned_ballad;36578406]you can't turn off the worst of the visual downsides, like the lack of team particles and voices.[/QUOTE]

[lilguy]

[QUOTE=Mio Akiyama;36578412]The is the Major Update SPeculation thread not a debate thread, quit arguing and get back to speculating[/QUOTE]

TONIGHTS THE NIGHT

But, in all seriousness, does anyone know if there's a sliver of information of any updates in the near future? Perhaps, July 4?

[ChrisDom]

Hell, the rainblower's taunt can go through walls.

Is it viable? Is it practical? No. Instant kill taunts aren't made to be but I'm probably sure it's the best damn taunt kill in the game right now.

[Damoman]

[QUOTE=lilguy;36578473]TONIGHTS THE NIGHT

But, in all seriousness, does anyone know if there's a sliver of information of any updates in the near future? Perhaps, July 4?[/QUOTE]

Remember when they changed the 12 in the secret room to a 13?

That is starting to make me worried now.

[tso]

[QUOTE=lilguy;36578473]TONIGHTS THE NIGHT

But, in all seriousness, does anyone know if there's a sliver of information of any updates in the near future? Perhaps, July 4?[/QUOTE]

can't come out july 4

spelunky returns july 4

everyone will be busy

[majan222]

[QUOTE=ned_ballad;36578260]the audio and particle changes still work on every map, and those are the big downsides.[/QUOTE]
Still "visual effects as downsides" is stupid idea sincie they highly depends on user's computer and and it is not the same for all.
Pyroland wasn't supposed to be a downside sincie this effect is also on goggles which doesnt have any upsides. Valve just made mistake adding tauntkill to this reskin.

[alwaysrage]

[QUOTE=lilguy;36578473]
But, in all seriousness, does anyone know if there's a sliver of information of any updates in the near future? Perhaps, July 4?[/QUOTE]

I still think there is going to be something after the summer sale.
Maybe Grordbort or MvM.

[lilguy]

Man, I want new Mediguns to actually get in game. Really waiting on that Grodbrort Medic set.

Scripting my own from scratch just doesn't have the same appeal to it :(

[igotopinions]

I'm gonna have to agree with ned here, although I definitely see simski's point.

Permanently tying Pyrovision to those cosmetics makes switching to it much less casual, if that makes sense?
It's like saying, "don't consider this a legitimate reskin. consider this a ticket to Magic Angel Baby Paradise."
They probably want to want to keep Pyroland a novelty instead of just another option, like changing sprays or whatever. It seems counter-productive, but I think making the goggles togglable seems like just a step away from allowing permanent Pyrovision in the basic options menu.

In other news, I'd always got the impression the candy cane was actually just a painted lead pipe or something. No real evidence than the default hit noise, though.

[Constructor]

[QUOTE=igotopinions;36578740]In other news, I'd always got the impression the candy cane was actually just a painted lead pipe or something. No real evidence than the default hit noise, though.[/QUOTE]

Genious.

[ned_ballad]

I wish it was, like they actually designed it that way and it looked like that.

Remember all that reskin stuff I said earlier. I'll make one exception, the Candy Cane. It's the only weapon in the entire game I want a reskin for. Actually, I want them to go one further, I want them to make the reskin the default, and make the Candy Cane the reskin.

[Grimhound]

[QUOTE=ned_ballad;36578780]I wish it was, like they actually designed it that way and it looked like that.

Remember all that reskin stuff I said earlier. I'll make one exception, the Candy Cane. It's the only weapon in the entire game I want a reskin for. Actually, I want them to go one further, I want them to make the reskin the default, and make the Candy Cane the reskin.[/QUOTE]

Things Grimhound wants reskins for:
-Candy Cane (it's honestly not a huge deal, and it's visually striking, but I see what Ned means)

Things Grim doesn't care for at all:
-A Rather Festive Tree (you can just go ahead and delete this)

Good morning, all, by the way. I still hold that 7/9 might be interesting for us all.

[ned_ballad]

Now that I know they can just mass give everyone a clone of an item (ala the escape plan), they should totally just do it for the Candy Cane.

Give everyone the new weapon (with the same stats as the Candy Cane), and then remove the recipe for the Candy Cane, and make the Candy Cane the reskin of that new weapon :)

[ObiWonTwo]

Here's a suggestion; just add the taunt to the stock flamethrower.

EDIT: Well why not? I'd like to be able to fire taunt without using a flamethrower that is.....less than visually appealing to me.