If you never ever touch the cash shop then it's still a great, balanced (mostly) $10-$20 FPS shooter that gets free updates.
Only if you get greedy with crates and keys do you start losing money.
Oh look a sentry I can shoot that down easy I'm a soldier its easy as-[b]WRANGLER[/b]
It's like having a beautiful set of hand-carved chess pieces, and then you start pimping each piece out by gluing onto them some completely ridiculous paper slips that give them equally stupid abilities such as allowing rooks to move diagonally in exchange for their ability to eat things in two directions
who giVES A FUCK
if it weren't for hats and crafting and item system THIS SECTION WOULD CLEARLY BE DEAD BETWEEN UPDATES
JUST LIKE THE L4D SECTION
god stop the bitching
[QUOTE=ThePuska;25799982]It's like having a beautiful set of hand-carved chess pieces, and then you start pimping each piece out by gluing onto them some completely ridiculous paper slips that give them equally stupid abilities such as allowing rooks to move diagonally in exchange for their ability to eat things in two directions[/QUOTE]
that's the metaphor I'll refer to forever
We could live whitout the store, but the hats made the game more fun and trading it's nice so you can actually get the hat you always wanted.Also if you don't like the game, stop playing it.
[QUOTE=Garbor 0.1;25800224]We could live whitout the store, but the hats made the game more fun and trading it's nice so you can actually get the hat you always wanted.Also if you don't like the game, stop playing it.[/QUOTE]
fuck you and your attitude
i like the store update
it made all the idiots on SPUF who WONT READ THE DAMN FAQ not play the game
Games still good, but everyones just obsessing over virtual hats that don't affect gameplay at all. I quit playing because of this, pretty much. I liked when we were all excited about just 3 new weapons for 1 class, and the weapons required achievement milestones to unlock. I think I started to dislike the game when they introduced hats and the drop system :\
What is Tf2, I thought that game died months ago.
Everbody is playing Hat Manager 3000 now
[QUOTE=Keychain;25800153]who giVES A FUCK
if it weren't for hats and crafting and item system THIS SECTION WOULD CLEARLY BE DEAD BETWEEN UPDATES
JUST LIKE THE L4D SECTION
god stop the bitching[/QUOTE]
100% wrong.
I am completely agreed with everything in the OP, and have already given away all my items and quit. TF2 has been horribly destroyed by the updates and Mannconomy just crossed the line. I find so many of the items to be completely useless, the drop system is HIDEOUSLY broken, hats are honestly the dumbest idea in the entire world (why not just let everyone customise their character however they want rather than make them waste months of their lives to obtain tiny little digital hats?) and trading is full of nothing but elitists who sit around gloating about hats rather than actually playing the game.
Before you say "But TF2 would be dead without updates", I'm going to agree with you. Of course it would, I'm not stupid. But ask yourself,
What [B]real [/B]gain did the game get from hats, trading, a drop system, a fucking store, and all this random 2 second shit (see; Carouser's Capotain, Crit-a-Cola) unfitting and hypocritical hats (Dr's Dapper Topper, Chieftan's Challenge, Hard Counter, Max Head, Ellis Cap, Mann Co Cap, virtually any new hat) useless/missed oppurtunity weapons (Sydney Sleeper, Darwin's Danger Shield, Vitasaw, Crit-a-Cola, Bonk, Frontier Justice, Scottish Resistance, Degreaser, L'Etranger, Force-a-Nature, Natascha, Dalokohs Bar, Southern Hospitality, Huntsman, Razorback, Jarate, Cloak and Dagger, Ambassador, many more) and weapons which are just plain OP (Natasha, Equalizer, Ubersaw)?
In all honesty I think the game would be active today if the only thing in the updates were new good quality maps.
At this point I have given all my items to friends and random people who were being nice. It's a great feeling, giving away items like the Fez I had, and honestly it felt more personally rewarding than actually obtaining the hat.
If I can make someone happy through what is essentially just 1s and 0s at no loss to myself, then I'm more than willing to do that.
Honestly, would TF2 have died within a year without any major updates? Yes, of course.
[B]Were "hats", a drop system and gimmicky items necessary to keep the game alive? [I]FUCK[/I] [I]No.[/I][/B]
I was never here for that old TF2, but god dam, spending a half hour bargaining in a trade with another intelligent person who wanted to bargain was fun as all hell.
Look.
This is the trailer that I fell in love with.
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_c3iQImXZg[/media]
I remember how hyped I was.
Every day for three years I always wanted to play it.
For the first time, now, I don't want to start it. I don't want to see the backgrounds, the menu, or hear the sounds. I don't want to enter a server, because every one of them some time changes to the manor. Hats everywhere, where ever I look there they are. The colors that I liked so much are gone now. I can no longer determine how I'm going to attack that enemy.
At every server people are spamming with trading possibilites, I do my best to ignore them. But when people answer to the trading guys more than they do to my talk, about sentry positions, a Spy and a fully charged Medic, I just press escape, and then disconnects.
Somehow, though, I always return to see if it's fixed. It's not, but it happens that I play with bots... They don't wear hats, at least.
It's quite sad, actually...
I like the weapons the way they are the whole trading/hats/store ruined the game for me the drop system was fine before.
Another problem comes now that they added UNUSUALS its so annoying when i see a guy with a god damn huge icon moving around his head i thought hats where cosmetic not annoying at least snipers get an easier target to shoot
I too wish for the days when I didn't have to worry about cosmetics and drop items.
I play TF2 almost everyday, and I love it, but I still have that voice in the back of my head yelling to me: "I CAN'T WAIT TILL DROPS RESET, WHEN IS MY NEXT HAT GOING TO DROP? ONCE I GET 4 REFINED, I CAN.....".
I actually enjoy the way Tf2 has evolved.
I started playing back when only the Medic and Pyro updates were out, so the only taste if 100% vanilla was when I played the xbox version once or twice.
Normally, I play a game for a month or two, get bored with it, and then forget about it for a while.
Not Tf2. Since VALVe has been updating it, it has kept my attention and prevented me from straying away and not playing again.
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[QUOTE=HyperTH;25506864]TF2 has been getting worse over the years for me.
I remember back to the days of 2008 where I was a dirty, console playing peasant, ignorant of Steam, lurking in the foul waters of Halo and Gears of War. Because of my aforementioned upbringing, I never really got into FPS games. Then one day a faithful friend told me of a magical gift from the gods known as Portal. Since I did not have a Steam account at that time, I looked up Portal and found it to be part of "The Orange Box", released for the PC, Playstation 3 and Xbox 360. I then saved up all my pennies and purchased myself the game for my 360, I was astounded to see that not only did The Orange Box contain Portal, but 4 other games as well. I ignored the others for the time being and started up Portal. It was truly a work of art, but after I had finished it and treated myself to "Still Alive", my curiosity led me to try out the other games. I started Half Life next, but after abut 3 hours, I lost interest. Then my eyes wandered over to the last game on the list. I loaded it up, and was greeted by what looked like an obese cartoon man with a minigun mowing down a league of equally stylized rocket-launcher wielding Soldiers.
I joined a quick game when I came to the menu, as the strange loading screen had piqued my curiosity. I remember finding a game of Dustbowl and choosing the Spy class, as I've always had a fondness for stealth games, and his class name as well as his playstyle description intrigued me. I remember first gazing in wonder at the outlandish and strange environment, completely different to any other shooter I had seen before. I had only ever been exposed to Halo and Call of Duty games, so I assumed that FPS games were all serious, gritty and brown, opposed to silly and exaggerated visual style, but here was Team Fortress 2, defiant to the seriousness of all the other shooter games. The fast-paced, enjoyable gameplay and quirky in-game humor was enough to keep me enjoying TF2 more than any other game of the genre, and since then, it has always been one of, if not the best FPS in the history of gaming.
Between then and now, I was introduced to the Steam version of the game, and that was my very first exposure to Steam. My computer, at the time, to put it charitably, was a piece of shit, and because of that, even though I had it installed, I didn't properly start playing TF2 PC until the Sniper VS Spy update launched, because it was then I afforded another, more competent computer. Again, it seemed like a new world, all these custom maps and new weapons, my usual Spy playstyle had to be completely changed in order to adapt to this new, unfamiliar gameplay. But after I became used to gaming on a computer, all was well and TF2 was greater than ever.
I think it was when the Golden Wrenches were announced that my TF2 experience started to die. At first I was excited, but as more and more wrenches were found and when it was revealed that there was a drop timer that some people were exploiting, my enthusiasm died. My Orange Box disc for Xbox had became so worn with time and age that it was unreadable, and unplayable, so I was stuck with TF2 PC. I don't know, ever since the Golden Wrenches, TF2 hasn't been the amazing experience it used to be for me. With 24/7 2fort and "Orange" map games going on all the time, I couldn't help but miss when all I had to do was pick "Join a Server" and be treated a small amount of quality maps rather than have to wade through idle and achievement servers just to find the good ones. But I was still having a lot more fun than any other game provided me with.
Until the Mann-conomy update.
Since then, every time I join a server, it's more about trading offers than actually gameplay, always about who had the best hats rather than the highest skill. I mean, on TF2 Xbox, there were no hats, and there were no server plugins or admin abuse or shit like that. Now, it's rare that I see a server without at least 5 people with hats, or without at least 3 people spamming the chat with trading offers.
The point I'm trying laboriously to get to is that Trading and Hats made TF2 STOP BEING FUN.
And when I hear shit like "I got banned because some guy decided to be a dick and report me.", I just think back to my first time playing TF2 Xbox and how simple it used to be.
tl;dr
Hats and shit made TF2 not fun.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Fhux;25803229]Look.
This is the trailer that I fell in love with.
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_c3iQImXZg[/media]
I remember how hyped I was.
Every day for three years I always wanted to play it.
For the first time, now, I don't want to start it. I don't want to see the backgrounds, the menu, or hear the sounds. I don't want to enter a server, because every one of them some time changes to the manor. Hats everywhere, where ever I look there they are. The colors that I liked so much are gone now. I can no longer determine how I'm going to attack that enemy.
At every server people are spamming with trading possibilites, I do my best to ignore them. But when people answer to the trading guys more than they do to my talk, about sentry positions, a Spy and a fully charged Medic, I just press escape, and then disconnects.
Somehow, though, I always return to see if it's fixed. It's not, but it happens that I play with bots... They don't wear hats, at least.
It's quite sad, actually...[/QUOTE]
This, pretty much. I was excited when TF2 first came out. Perfect sequel to TFC. Loved it. Now the game is pretty much about collecting hats. :sigh:
Btw once i get the bunny I will not trade anymore its a waste of time and I already lost my skill on some classes.
[QUOTE=The Inzuki;25798669]Personally, TF2 would be pretty boring without these cool new updates.[/QUOTE]
Agreed. Keeps things fresh, but I never use trading to make profit. I just use it to get items that I want, which is what it was intended for. Soon we'll have an ingame stock market with graphs. GRAPHS!
Retarded hats I can live with. There are mods for them. Even vomit inducing garbage like the Dr. Seuss hat and the "Fuck the TF2 art style with a huge dildo" demoman hat. We know which one it is.
The Mann Co. store I can live with. I make the decision to buy there. No-one is forcing my hand.
Slight weapon imbalance I can tolerate, to a degree. Too many Natasha weilding faggots on the enemy team will make me rage, but that's when I dc.
What I cannot stand is all thsoe God damn retards spamming chat with trade requests. I don't know why, but every time a spam message come up I have to fight the urge to rip them apart with my mic.
Well, you don't need to read forums to play the game. And what was in place of the trading threads before? Bitching about weapon stats, bitching about the community, bitching about the lack of updates...
People talking about trading? Mute button. People being AFK to trade? Find a server with good AFK protection.
[QUOTE=Overseer No. 2;25803693]What I cannot stand is all thsoe God damn retards spamming chat with trade requests. I don't know why, but every time a spam message come up I have to fight the urge to rip them apart with my mic.[/QUOTE]
I haven't seen them much on serious servers, but damn, when they appear they are really annoying. There should be a server plugin or something that automatically kicks/bans from the server every player spamming the text chat with those kind of messages (If they micspam it, well, the mute button was meant for something). Well, AFK kicking protection also works in this cases.
Still i'm not butthurt for this updates, unlike the die-hard "old-school pride" players who BAWWW at every minimal change. I started playing prior to the WAR update (Playing first a "2007 vanilla version" of the game, if you know what I mean) without knowing anything about unlockables or the existence of hats and I'm still enjoying the game, despite playing it on a cheap laptop that renders the game at like 15 fps. I like the unlockables (In some times much more than the default weapons, I was begging for a Wrench replacement and the Southern Hospitality felt like a blessing from the heavens), I don't mind seeing people with hats (It's a good method to differentiate teammates, much more easy than remembering all their nicknames) and I just ignore the part of the community that only cares about trading hats, opening crates, idling, buying things and getting them all like they were Pokemon, because they are the players that have forgotten what Team Fortress 2 is all about: Working like a team, helping your teammates, playing as Medic and healing everyone, building that dispenser to help a Heavy take out some enemies, putting out fire on a player, trowing your sandwich to a teammate to save his life, defending your base, protecting the intelligence... A fun online FPS shooter like al others, but with its unique art style and with the philosophy of not taking itself too seriously.
PS: I also fucking hate the Capotain. Needs a model replacement now.
I remember 2 years ago when I tried the free weekend. Back then the game I played most was World of Warcraft, and the only steam game I had was Counter Strike: Source.
I fucking fell in love with it, and thought "hot damn, that was awesome, I just NEED to get that game!" So I did. I loved it. I still love it.
The class I liked the most was The Scout (hurr durr Rong). I played him the most. I still do. I still have fun.
Personally, I think [B]YOU[/B] are the ones who are obsessing over the hats. We others just go with the flow, trade every now and then, get a few hats every now and then, but you guys can't stop thinking about it.
You hate the hats. "It destroyed the game" "Everyone is obsessing over them" well guess what? I actually think YOU are obsessing over it, and [B]WE[/B] are only enjoying the game.
My 2 cents. Do whatever you want with them.
[QUOTE=spanaren;25805241]I remember 2 years ago when I tried the free weekend. Back then the game I played most was World of Warcraft, and the only steam game I had was Counter Strike: Source.
I fucking fell in love with it, and thought "hot damn, that was awesome, I just NEED to get that game!" So I did. I loved it. I still love it.
The class I liked the most was The Scout (hurr durr Rong). I played him the most. I still do. I still have fun.
Personally, I think [B]YOU[/B] are the ones who are obsessing over the hats. We others just go with the flow, trade every now and then, get a few hats every now and then, but you guys can't stop thinking about it.
You hate the hats. "It destroyed the game" "Everyone is obsessing over them" well guess what? I actually think YOU are obsessing over it, and [B]WE[/B] are only enjoying the game.
My 2 cents. Do whatever you want with them.[/QUOTE]
Hats get me money.
So I like them.
I can summarise this line of thinking in the following sentence:
[i]"The Team Fortress 2 Community is retarded beyond all measure. This is Valve's fault"[/i]
I normally play on a private server so I haven't been spammed with trade requests and shit like that. So TF2 is still fun for me. For now.
I don't take trading/hats that seriously, which is why if I ever get one for a class I don't normally play, I'll usually just give it away. Items too. I'm not that bent on collecting everything ever. Just the ones I use and giving away the others.
It keeps the game a little less chaotic for me. I'll trade every once in a while if someone offers, but for the most part, I just play the game and keep the trading to a minimum.
The only thing that pisses me off about the Mann Co update is that virtually all the popular servers have people spamming "TRADING HAT FOR BIG KILL!" or "WHERE IS SAXTON HALE MASK?! WHO HAZ!?". I don't mind people being more interested in hats and trading, it's just the chat spam that bothers me.
It's also annoying when some guy that barely speaks English adds me and sends me "Do you hat?" via chat.
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