[QUOTE=Quinnjdq;38188095]I disagree, really it would be much more alarming to see a giant ghost monkey behind you(and worse for the art style) than a owl on your shoulder.
Unless they implement it under holiday restriction which they don't do for community items.[/QUOTE]
This would be a perfect time for them to implement a Hallovision so you can see Halloween restricted items all year round.
[editline]26th October 2012[/editline]
I love the Owl though and definitely don't think it should be Halloween restricted
Hey guys.
I need some help to test if the xmas item for flamethrower is fixed or not, since I don't have any festive items or know any way to load it on item test map.
[url]http://www.mediafire.com/?cj897veojvbk0s1[/url]
Thanks in advance!
Someone should make a skin which turns pyros mask upside down.
[QUOTE=Simski;38189901]This would be a perfect time for them to implement a Hallovision so you can see Halloween restricted items all year round.
[editline]26th October 2012[/editline]
I love the Owl though and definitely don't think it should be Halloween restricted[/QUOTE]
You violently question why any class would bring bongos around, when Engy himself carries a guitar, yet you want that damn owl to be all-year? Fortunately for you, Valve can't put holiday restrictions on community items, but wow. This is almost as bad as the Great Clown Incident of 2012.
[QUOTE=Teh Kiyoshi;38190003]Hey guys.
I need some help to test if the xmas item for flamethrower is fixed or not, since I don't have any festive items or know any way to load it on item test map.
[url]http://www.mediafire.com/?cj897veojvbk0s1[/url]
Thanks in advance![/QUOTE]
Hello mister.
So, the festive cosmetic doesn't even appear, and there is a message on the console which is continually spammed like in this following screenshot.
[IMG]http://cloud-2.steampowered.com/ugc/1137417496673357036/3D71A9D92B09081316E3DC6E79B75760AA9AC0DF/[/IMG]
I can lend/give you my festive flamethrower if you wanna sort it out more easily.
What exactly is wrong with the owl, besides the fact that psyke apparantly isn't allowed to make it?
[QUOTE=Bapaul;38190602]What exactly is wrong with the owl, besides the fact that psyke apparantly isn't allowed to make it?[/QUOTE]
Many of the details seem to be textured on instead of modelled.
[QUOTE=Bapaul;38190602]What exactly is wrong with the owl, besides the fact that psyke apparantly isn't allowed to make it?[/QUOTE]
Drama and opinions.
[QUOTE=Frying Dutchman;38190622]Drama and opinions.[/QUOTE]
Oh, cool ! [IMG]http://i.somethingawful.com/forumsystem/emoticons/emot-munch.gif[/IMG]
[QUOTE=Bapaul;38190602]What exactly is wrong with the owl, besides the fact that psyke apparantly isn't allowed to make it?[/QUOTE]
This post has a decent argument: [url]http://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1220968&p=38190625&viewfull=1#post38190625[/url]
[QUOTE=Bapaul;38190602]What exactly is wrong with the owl, besides the fact that psyke apparantly isn't allowed to make it?[/QUOTE]
Opinions, overused item types and bland texture work, plus it's unfitting to the character, setting, and the owl itself. You can read more of my whiny drama in the blog update thread, it's selling paperback and hardback cover at all participating bookstores.
Notlu 2 is out, time to get busy doing demonstrations
[editline]26th October 2012[/editline]
oh god so many mods
[editline]26th October 2012[/editline]
I was not prepared
[editline]26th October 2012[/editline]
in my actual tf2 to begin with, I have a mod for like every weapon I have in game.
[QUOTE=Pocket Medic;38190573]yet you want that damn owl to be all-year? Fortunately for you, Valve can't put holiday restrictions on community items, but wow. This is almost as bad as the Great Clown Incident of 2012.[/QUOTE]
Well I don't see an owl as awfully unfitting and as something that only exists as a pet during Halloween. Owls can be pets, owls can be used in Falconry which has a hunter-vibe, owls are not strictly horror related. I mean, Sniper is an outback hunter type character that can handle wild animals, it does not strike me as extremely unfitting that he'd have trained a farsighted predator companion. I mean, yeah it's not something that would fit the original 2007 Sniper, but very few items are.
Also, I still strongly disagree with you that Clowns don't fit Pyro. I'll agree that the Jester set would be unfitting if it was available all year round since it has a bit of a supernatural look to it, but the Pogo set is excellent both for Halloween and in general. Clowns are a frequent stereotype of evil psycho killers laughing manically and killing people in gruesome manners, they often have baggy suits and suspenders, they can be both silly and scary, and many people have a strong fear of clowns.
[editline]26th October 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=Pocket Medic;38190573]You violently question why any class would bring bongos around, when Engy himself carries a guitar[/QUOTE]
Engineer is a Texan, and there's A LOT of Texan country singers.
Bongos however... they're just bloody silly. They don't make sense on a Pyrotechnician pyromaniac psycho killer. They're alright inside Pyrovision since that's supposed to be some manic delusion world, but it would be awfully unfitting on him outside of Pyrovision. If you want to use stuff like the "random objects on head" hats and the conscience dolls as reasons why bongos would fit in the normal world, I'd like to remind you that I still think they're retarded.
[QUOTE=Teh Kiyoshi;38190003]Hey guys.
I need some help to test if the xmas item for flamethrower is fixed or not, since I don't have any festive items or know any way to load it on item test map.
[url]http://www.mediafire.com/?cj897veojvbk0s1[/url]
Thanks in advance![/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=davidrb18;38190601]Hello mister.
So, the festive cosmetic doesn't even appear, and there is a message on the console which is continually spammed like in this following screenshot.
[IMG]http://cloud-2.steampowered.com/ugc/1137417496673357036/3D71A9D92B09081316E3DC6E79B75760AA9AC0DF/[/IMG]
I can lend/give you my festive flamethrower if you wanna sort it out more easily.[/QUOTE]
I can tell you right now if you are making a replacement for the xmas lights you are going to have a HELL of a time getting them to work. Ask Psyke, when i was making the [url=http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=89013292]Spooky Lights[/url] I didn't have any xmas light items either so every time I made version of the lights i had to send them over to be tested. Luckily he let me borrow some of them but the majority of testing came from me sending them over.
Heres a tip, the messages you get in the console, eg SetupBones: invalid bone array size (1 - needs 3) are really telling you something. In order for the xmas lights to work you have to meet a list of criteria;
1. You must have ALL the bones of the original xmas lights (Even if they aren't skinned to anything they need to be there).
2. You must NOT let any bones collapse because they have no skin weight, this can be done with some simple qc commands to define each bone that isnt skinned.
3. The bones must be in the EXACT same order as the bones in the item its covering.
SetupBones: invalid bone array size (1 - needs 3) This little message basically means your model only has 1 bone and the game is looking for a model with 3 to do a bone merge. Because there isnt enough it does work. If you where to add all 3 bones for the flame-thrower (weapon_bone, weapon_bone_1 and weapon_bone_L in that same order) only THEN does it work.
This error gets REALLY fun when you have to do something like the minigun where all of the Heavys finger, arm and rotating barrel bones are all a factor.
Let this be a warning to anyone wanted to make a xmas lights replacement. It took me so much trial and error to found out those important rules.
If anyone really wants help with making something like this feel free to add me and I can give you some examples or something because I really wish someone would have helped me when I was making my replacement.
[QUOTE=Simski;38191037]Well I don't see an owl as awfully unfitting and as something that only exists as a pet during Halloween. Owls can be pets, owls can have a hunter-vibe, owls are not strictly horror related. I mean, Sniper is an outback hunter type character that can handle wild animals, it does not strike me as extremely unfitting that he'd have a farsighted predator companion. I mean, yeah it's not something that would fit the original 2007 Sniper, but very few items are.
Also, I still strongly disagree with you that Clowns don't fit Pyro. I'll agree that the Jester set would be unfitting if it was available all year round since it has a bit of a supernatural look to it, but the Pogo set is excellent both for Halloween and in general. Clowns are a frequent stereotype of evil psycho killers laughing manically and killing people in gruesome manners, they often have baggy suits and suspenders, they can be both silly and scary, and many people have a strong fear of clowns.
[editline]26th October 2012[/editline]
Engineer is a Texan, and there's A LOT of Texan country singers.
Bongos however... they're just bloody silly. They don't make sense on a Pyrotechnician pyromaniac psycho killer. They're alright inside Pyrovision since that's supposed to be some manic delusion world, but it would be awfully unfitting on him outside of Pyrovision.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Simski;38180149]Just, why the flying fuck would anyone in the TF2 team be walking around with a pair of goddamn bongos? It would be retarded as fuck, so no. It's alright as a Pyroland item, it would be a cancerous piece of atrocious shit if it wasn't Pyroland exclusive however.[/QUOTE]
Why the flying fuck would anyone in the TF2 team be walking around dressed as a goddamn clown? It would be retarded as fuck, so no. It's alright as a Pyroland item, it would be a cancerous piece of atrocious shit if it wasn't Pyroland exclusive however.
No matter how much you can argue that clowns have killed people and people can be scared of clowns, the same can be said for anything. Nobody goes to a mercenary territory war dressed as a clown. It doesn't matter if 1 in a million people have an obscure and unfounded fear of clowns, nobody is going to dress up in a clown suit to fight for their utterly confused superiors. It doesn't matter if 1 in a million clowns has killed someone, this doesn't mean that people are going to dress up as an oh-so-spooky clown in order to add to the unique experience of the dreaded Clowning Hour.
You parade around trying to protect Pyro's character by protesting such items as a minuscule green jelly, but you enforce things like [I]clown suits[/I] for our beloved arsonist. I mean really now, the Tyrannus has [I]nothing[/I] on the potential unfittingnessosity of a clown suit.
Look at yourself, man. Think of the children, man. The innocent-minded newcomer babies to TF2.
[I]Clowns.[/I]
[editline]beans[/editline]
[quote]Bongos however... they're just bloody silly. They don't make sense on a Pyrotechnician pyromaniac psycho killer. They're alright inside Pyrovision since that's supposed to be some manic delusion world, but it would be awfully unfitting on him outside of Pyrovision. If you want to use stuff like the "random objects on head" hats and the conscience dolls as reasons why bongos would fit in the normal world, I'd like to remind you that I still think they're retarded.
[/quote]
I try to avoid using items like the Birdcage and Steel Toe as reasons to turn Pyro into a walking garage sale. The Bongos are a minor problem in comparison to these, and are really not that bad in-game. Could do with some reasoning as to why Valve picked bongos over whatever else Pyro may hallucinate in the magical world I refuse to believe exists as a canonical location, but they're really not that bad.
The clown police is officially on patrol.
[QUOTE=Pocket Medic;38191282]Why the flying fuck would anyone in the TF2 team be walking around dressed as a goddamn clown? It would be retarded as fuck, so no. It's alright as a Pyroland item, it would be a cancerous piece of atrocious shit if it wasn't Pyroland exclusive however.[/QUOTE]
Clowns are simply a significantly common stereotype in movies, Halloween, videogames and even real life as psychotic serial killers. The fact that there's so few other items in the game that builds on Pyro's stereotype as a ruthless psycho serial killer like the stereotypes of clowns and horror movie villains like leatherface, makes this an excellent addition.
It's the stereotype of masked psycho serial killers using brutal means to kill people, and that it ALSO can be seen as just innocently childish and silly looking, that makes it fit Pyro so well. If it was exclusively childish and silly looking, and there was no stereotypes of it as being scary, then I don't think it would fit outside of Pyrovision. This is what differs the clown set on Pyro from the bongo drums, they fit no scary or serious stereotypes, they're exclusively silly.
[QUOTE=Eeshton;38182473]dont apologize so much for the joke it makes it even more unffunnnyyyyy
[editline]25th October 2012[/editline]
btw here is my (mostly) version of it:
[img]http://puu.sh/1iFVp[/img][/QUOTE]
[IMG]http://puu.sh/1iThn[/IMG]
back off
Could anyone tell me why community items aren't allowed to be restricted to special events?
Or is it in the license agreement
[QUOTE=Bapaul;38191462]Could anyone tell me why community items aren't allowed to be restricted to special events?
Or is it in the license agreement[/QUOTE]
I think valve just knows it's not really that -fair- to the contributor and as a result doesn't do it.
I personally don't think clowns fit the pyro, it's a really shallow take on his actual character.
[QUOTE=psyke;38191478]I think valve just knows it's not really that -fair- to the contributor and as a result doesn't do it.[/QUOTE]
I personally wouldn't mind at all.
But the fact that it won't be halloween restricted does mean people would make stuff that'd fit 'better' all year round, and now (at least I) didn't since I anticipated on costumes more
[QUOTE=Simski;38191378]Clowns are simply a significantly common stereotype in movies, Halloween, videogames and even real life as psychotic serial killers. The fact that there's so few other items in the game that builds on Pyro's stereotype as a ruthless psycho serial killer like the stereotypes of clowns and horror movie villains like leatherface, makes this an excellent addition.
It's the stereotype of masked psycho serial killers using brutal means to kill people, and that it ALSO can be seen as just innocently childish and silly looking, that makes it fit Pyro so well. If it was exclusively childish and silly looking, and there was no stereotypes of it as being scary, then I don't think it would fit outside of Pyrovision. This is what differs the clown set on Pyro from the bongo drums, they fit no scary or serious stereotypes, they're exclusively silly.[/QUOTE]
I'm having trouble putting this into words, but it really doesn't matter how fitting you might think a clown may be to Pyro killing people, wearing a clown suit into battle is abso-fucking-lutely ridiculous. There's no reason for him or anyone else to turn a game of dress-ups up to eleven by donning a suit that is the physical embodiment of silliness and stupidity. It will look ridiculous because that's a clown's job.
I really don't know if you've had some especially good or bad experiences with clowns, but TF2 is not the place to share those experiences. Clowns are not a stereotype of killers I see often, partly because 99.5% of the time clowns are there for humour, for entertainment, to be [I]laughed at[/I]. Having to see a grown man dressed as a clown strolling around Mann's Land solely because an absolute minority of the population decrees that clowns have some kind of spiritual bond to mass murderers is not something that will please the majority of the population, or at least the part of the population that plays TF2.
I might also like to make a note that this is the first time I've ever seen someone use an argument of an item being childish and silly as a reason for it to be [I]fitting[/I] for Pyro.
[QUOTE=dak1ne;38188930]Any link to this? i dont this where to find that owl, thanks[/QUOTE]
i found it ^^ was away from tf2blog for a while lol
[QUOTE=MilesPyrower;38181591]Made Lieutenant Bites from the Doom-Mates comic:
[IMG]http://puu.sh/1iEJX[/IMG] [IMG]http://puu.sh/1iENy[/IMG]
Not even basecolours yet.[/QUOTE]
Now i understand where this idea was from after reading the blog and comics^^
Read and agreed with Pocket Medic's post regarding pet items, and started pondering which fitting pet items (besides Archimedes) could be made.
[IMG]http://img846.imageshack.us/img846/8179/miceofmen.png[/IMG]
Yes/No/Maybe?
[QUOTE=Deodorant;38191970]Read and agree with Pocket Medic's post regarding pet items, and started pondering which fitting pet items (besides Archimedes) could be made.
[IMG]http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/8179/miceofmen.png[/IMG]
Yes/No/Maybe?[/QUOTE]
I'd say the idea is cool, as well as the sketch. But is the soldier really THAT insane?
....This thread starts to lack pictures.
Harakiwi 2 ze rescue!
[IMG]http://img94.imageshack.us/img94/1985/mediwigwip2.jpg[/IMG]
[QUOTE=Deodorant;38191970]Read and agree with Pocket Medic's post regarding pet items, and started pondering which fitting pet items (besides Archimedes) could be made.
[IMG]http://img846.imageshack.us/img846/8179/miceofmen.png[/IMG]
Yes/No/Maybe?[/QUOTE]
All that typing, gone to waste[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9kQ3XTbGZWE].[/url] :v:
[QUOTE=Pocket Medic;38191587]I'm having trouble putting this into words, but it really doesn't matter how fitting you might think a clown may be to Pyro killing people, wearing a clown suit into battle is abso-fucking-lutely ridiculous. There's no reason for him or anyone else to turn a game of dress-ups up to eleven by donning a suit that is the physical embodiment of silliness and stupidity. It will look ridiculous because that's a clown's job.[/QUOTE]
It USED to be the physical embodiment of silliness and stupidity, but media have over time completely changed all this around and clowns are now significantly more often represented as evil, creepy, monsters, psychopath killers, and dangerous lunatics.
Especially since it's a Halloween item, I don't see the problem with it. It's a lot less out of place in regular TF2 than the items that turn the classes into real monsters.
[QUOTE=Pocket Medic;38191587]I really don't know if you've had some especially good or bad experiences with clowns, but TF2 is not the place to share those experiences.[/QUOTE]
Personally I love clowns, for this Halloween I plan to dress up as Schadenfreude the Manic Depressive clown and scare the shit out of people. I also had a lot of classmates that were afraid of clowns, I loved drawing clowns for this reason. I also have a fetish for girls in clown make-up.
So yeah, I am biased. However I will always admit when I like something even though it doesn't fit, and this isn't one of those times. This set is something I genuinely think fits Pyro's design, which is why I'm not having a very hard time explaining all the reasons and giving examples.
[QUOTE=Pocket Medic;38191587]Clowns are not a stereotype of killers I see often, partly because 99.5% of the time clowns are there for humour, for entertainment, to be [I]laughed at[/I].[/QUOTE]
Here is a page describing the extremely common stereotype of evil clowns, with lists of murderous psychopath clowns in just about every genre
[url]http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MonsterClown[/url]
Saying they are portrayed correctly 95.5% of the times is extremely inaccurate. In fact, I'm pretty sure the opposite is true for the majority of times clowns are seen in media.
[QUOTE=Pocket Medic;38191587]Having to see a grown man dressed as a clown strolling around Mann's Land solely because an absolute minority of the population decrees that clowns have some kind of spiritual bond to mass murderers is not something that will please the majority of the population, or at least the part of the population that plays TF2.[/QUOTE]
Most people who haven't been living under a rock will probably recognize the stereotype from things like
[t]http://cdn.buzznet.com/assets/users16/rich/default/pennywise-clown-stephen-kings--large-msg-128812897203.jpg[/t][t]http://images.starpulse.com/news/bloggers/640389/blog_images/night-of-the-demon-1957.jpg[/t][t]http://cdn.uproxx.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/dead-rising-xbox-360-clown.jpg[/t][t]http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m8hi3zjIx11rtr3kno1_500.jpg[/t][t]http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m6wcq1AYB11rawb5do1_1280.jpg[/t][t]http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/kotaku/2009/09/clown.jpg[/t][t]http://www.geekenfreude.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/poltergeistclown.jpg[/t][t]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/f9/Manwholaughs.jpg/250px-Manwholaughs.jpg[/t][t]http://images5.fanpop.com/image/photos/29600000/Sweet-Tooth-sweet-tooth-29645131-414-480.jpg[/t][t]http://www.death2ur.com/gacypogotheclown.jpg[/t]
Also, part of the reason Clowns used to be a good disguise for psychopath serial killers and monsters, was because people were less afraid of getting close to what they believe was something that is always innocently childish and silly.
[QUOTE=Pocket Medic;38191587]I might also like to make a note that this is the first time I've ever seen someone use an argument of an item being childish and silly as a reason for it to be [I]fitting[/I] for Pyro.[/QUOTE]
Part of Pyro's personality IS childish and silly. There's a huge amount of items that builds on this stereotype, which is why I usually hate items that relies on this stereotype, it's extremely overdone and generic. However, the Clown set doesn't rely on this stereotype, it's just ONE of the reasons it fits. It for the most part relies on the stereotype of scary clowns, and it also fits Pyro visually due to his baggy suit and suspenders.
[QUOTE=Harakiwi;38192018]....This thread starts to lack pictures.
Harakiwi 2 ze rescue!
[IMG]http://img94.imageshack.us/img94/1985/mediwigwip2.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=davidrb18;38190601]Hello mister.
So, the festive cosmetic doesn't even appear, and there is a message on the console which is continually spammed like in this following screenshot.
I can lend/give you my festive flamethrower if you wanna sort it out more easily.[/QUOTE]
If you don't mind, sure!
[QUOTE=treythepunkid;38191168] - explanation -[/QUOTE]
Thanks a lot man! I will keep that in mind!
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