TF2 Emporium 49

[Deodorant]

[QUOTE=Bapaul;37820008]I wanted to stay out of this but I just couldn't hold it anymore.
I think that the main thing people have against you is the fact that you wave your concepts around at unappropriate times. It basically comes down to that if someone makes an item that is slightly overlapping with one of your huge pile of concepts, you try and forcechoke some credit out of it.
Don't do stuff like that. It doesn't make your position any better.

The same goes for posting concept arts that are already taken, you seem to have the need to post them, and specifically stating that they are oh so taken. That just seems like you want to wave your e-penis around on the board. Just post WIP images, not the taken concept arts.

Content wise I'm going to pass by, everyone should do what they want if they enjoy it.

So in the end I think nobody really minds that you post your concept art, as I often look at other people's ideas to get some going on my own, but it's really the way you present it. (this includes the stuff I said above, and your constant reposting of concept art)[/QUOTE]
Shitty attitude? Yeah, I can see that. I'm pathetically affirmation-driven, and while I try to infuse that quality with an appropriate level of self-irony I guess that doesn't fundamentally change much. I'll try to keep that better in mind.
[QUOTE=Roninsmastermix;37820192]Deodorant has less talent than many people by any artistic standard[/QUOTE]
[URL="http://cafechernobyl.wordpress.com/"]thanks[/URL]
[sup]Wait, was that affirmation whoring? I'm not even sure. Quick, nobody acknowledge it![/sup]

[Coverop]

Late as fuck

[url]http://store.steampowered.com/sale/TotalWarWeekend/?snr=1_4_4__118[/url]

[img]http://i.imgur.com/CaEVV.png[/img]

[ZombiPlasticClok]

[QUOTE=Deodorant;37819885]Lots of words[/QUOTE]

Nooo don't go. If not for you, I wouldn't have the Hardwood Hellraiser. And that is one of my favourite models I have made yet!

[TheHeartsman]

RONIN insulting someone elses artistic ability? Now I HAVE seen everything...

[VernoGuy]

[QUOTE=Deodorant;37819885]So I decided I'm going to reply to this anyway, and even post the reply publicly. Skip to the end if you want to understand why.

I think the points made in the first paragraph boil down to subjective values. In my opinion, generic-ness is versatile and therefore a good thing, and gimmicks for the sake gimmickry make the items they're applied to worse. I'd like the Gibus, Full Head of Steam, Munitionne and in fact also the Counterfeit Billycock better if they had plain uncluttered top hat styles.
I also believe in nuance over breadth when it comes to variation, to an extent that I'm aware that most don't. A big part of the TF2 community thinks the Spy has way too many fedoras/trilbies, but I think every single one of them fills an unique appearance niche and is thereby justified. The Fancy Fedora says 'I'm stylish yet modest', the Cosa Nostra Cap says 'I'm stylish and want you to know it', the Détective Noir says 'I'm a here to do my job and I'm great at it, stay out of my way', and the Hat of Cards just silently raises a seductive eyebrow. Similarly, I think the Baker Boy - regardless of paint - says 'I'm an enterprising young lad who stays optimistic despite the hardships of poverty' whereas the angle and shape of the cap I drew rather says 'I have abusive parents and hate the world, let's go beat up old ladies', making the latter justified despite the existence of the former. I can say with confidence that I've never posted a sketch while being aware of the existence of an item already filling (in my opinion) its appearance niche. I have [URL="http://i.imm.io/FNRB.png"]done[/URL] [URL="http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=19985"]it[/URL] accidentally (probably several times, but that's the only example I can think of right now), and retired my sketch upon learning my mistake.
Finally, I agree that the basic idea behind a lot of my concepts can be conveyed with words. But frankly, what's more informative and interesting to look at? A drawing of a golden snubnosed revolver with an engraved wooden handle and a pocket watch chain attached to the bottom of it, or that written sentence?
So yeah, those are my subjective opinions. You may and will rate me dumb for them, but I stand by them.

As for the second paragraph.. I find the arguments I made in those cases severely misrepresented in your post, but that's boring and irrelevant and I can't deny that I can behave hypocritically, so ok.

The final paragraph is the problematic part. If so many of you find my concepts unfitting, I'm obviously doing something wrong. The thing is, I always try to evaluate whether my ideas are fitting, and never draw them if I reach the conclusion that they aren't. The problem is therefore not a lack of judgment but rather the quality of it. And if I can't trust my judgment on the issue, I really have no method through which to improve. If a painter is colorblind and thinks all his paints are green, telling him to use less red won't do anything.
I could technically start being more critical and skip the ideas I feel even slightly unsure about, but in my experience my opinions on my concepts tend to be very different from the emporium's; The ideas I'm proud of usually get significantly worse response than the ideas I feel kind of lukewarm about, so there's a big risk I'd just be left with the stuff you consider bad.

Therefore, I can only really see two options: Either I keep going the same way as before and seem like a self-sufficient douche, or I quit posting spontaneous concept sketches completely and seem like a sulky kid who can't take criticism. Neither option is particularly dignified, but the prospect of knowing that a dozen people will think 'what a twat' every time I post a new sketch makes the latter option more appealing.

So.. Um, yeah. I guess I'll do that. It was fun while it lasted.[/QUOTE]

I think you should keep on posting your concepts. They may not be good ideas every time, but nobody is perfect and I'll gladly see your not so good ideas on this thread if it means seeing your many really good ideas as well (I say strictly ideas as being bad or good, because I think all your drawings are good regardless of the ideas they convey). I think drawing generic ideas is okay too, because it might inspire people even if it's generic and if you draw a fully unique set except for one generic item you might as well draw that item. The fact that a model conceptualized by you is in the game means to me you have a good sense of the style and theme of TF2. So please, keep on posting concepts, even though that means there will be more competition for my shittier concepts :P.

[HazzaHardie]

my first hat
[t]http://cloud.steampowered.com/ugc/900975805478913494/515AB30BFA943AAFE707F5EFDDF0FF6373A25136/[/t]
It was supposed to go into his pouch but I couldnt figure out how to do it, also the texture is clearly horrible

[Venezuelan]

[QUOTE=Roninsmastermix;37820192]Granted that Deodorant has less talent than many people by any artistic standard[/QUOTE]

:I

ouch

[NeoDement]

Sorry why is everyone being a cock to Deodorant? He does some great concepts, though normally everything of his I actually want to model has "RESERVED" written under it.

[Roninsmastermix]

Please do not take my comments out of context.

[eddy-tt-]

Anyone mind giving me a hand with paintablity, so far I've managed to actually make the bandaid paintable but I haven't managed to get the shadows to move over, no matter how much I toy with the alpha it just comes out as a solid colour...

[Pocket Medic]

[QUOTE=Roninsmastermix;37821271]Please do not take my comments out of context.[/QUOTE]

You've gotta admit, that was harsh.

[Venezuelan]

[QUOTE=Roninsmastermix;37821271]Please do not take my comments out of context.[/QUOTE]

even with context that comment makes your reassurance seem kind of backhanded

[NassimO]

[QUOTE=coverop;37820992]Late as fuck

[url]http://store.steampowered.com/sale/TotalWarWeekend/?snr=1_4_4__118[/url]

[img]http://i.imgur.com/CaEVV.png[/img][/QUOTE]

Those are some neat promos, i say.

[void~]

argue argue argue

[Quinnjdq]

[QUOTE=Roninsmastermix;37821271]Please do not take my comments out of context.[/QUOTE]
Seriously, just taking that one sentence sounds completely like an insult when in truth it really wasn't if you read the entire thing.

[Roninsmastermix]

[QUOTE=Pocket Medic;37821316]You've gotta admit, that was harsh.[/QUOTE]

I'm being honest. I didn't even imply that his work is sub-par. If ever, i merely suggested that there are others that are better than him at what he's doing.

[Constructor]

Do my eyes deceive me? Is that laro reading the thread?

[Roninsmastermix]

[QUOTE=Venezuelan;37821320]even with context that comment makes your reassurance seem kind of backhanded[/QUOTE]

If its a misplaced reassurance then that is where i am wrong. The admiration for the work is still there.

[Frying Dutchman]

[QUOTE=Constructor;37821358]Do my eyes deceive me? Is that laro reading the thread?[/QUOTE]
[B]STOP THE PRESSES[/B]

[void~]

ofuk laro is visiting and we forgot to clean our rooms

[Constructor]

[QUOTE=Roninsmastermix;37821356]I'm being honest. I didn't even imply that his work is sub-par. If ever, i merely suggested that there are others that are better than him at what he's doing.[/QUOTE]

That also applies to you.

[NateDude]

[QUOTE=BANG!;37819669][B]ItemToast Beta 1[/B]

[U]What is it?[/U]
Blah [sub]blah [sub]blah[/sub][/sub][/QUOTE]

I have a question.

Could you, theoretically, recompile something for a completely different class?
I'm not saying it would work, but COULD you?

[Roninsmastermix]

[QUOTE=Constructor;37821375]That also applies to you.[/QUOTE]

yes, of course.

[Manibogi]

[QUOTE=Constructor;37821358]Do my eyes deceive me? Is that laro reading the thread?[/QUOTE]

He hasn't gone away yet, either...he's freaking me out :v:

Edit:

Of course he goes away just as I post that.

[void~]

[QUOTE=Manibogi;37821452]He hasn't gone away yet, either...he's freaking me out :v:

Edit:

Of course he goes away just as I post that.[/QUOTE]

goddamit

look what you did

[Manibogi]

[QUOTE=Void Skull;37821541]goddamit

look what you did[/QUOTE]

D;

[Constructor]

[QUOTE=Void Skull;37821541]goddamit

look what you did[/QUOTE]

We stil have Svdl.

[void~]

[QUOTE=Constructor;37821579]We stil have Svdl.[/QUOTE]

you say that now, but lately contributors have been dropping like flies

[Constructor]

Svdl, please never stop making items

Ever

Please

[DatWut?]

I'm wondering one thing about the promos: Could it be that they're made by contributors?
The Soldier-mask looks like the one Ronin made, and LaroLaro's been lurkin this thread (I know, the latter is no thing to judge by, but still).