Stuff that annoys you in TF2: Constructor doesn't make this thread Edition - Games

[QUOTE=slapdown3;35597189]And for for petes sake, its impossible for any class to kill the heavy point blank if he's already firing.[/QUOTE] Spy, facestab. :downs:

[QUOTE=DatWut?;35597252]Spy, facestab. :downs:[/QUOTE] Spies swing might be instant but the movement speed of even a tomislav isn't enough for a face stab.

[QUOTE=slapdown3;35597189]I don't think you get it but, the pyro is the only one of those three that actually can't kill scouts if there far away from him, the pyro has no long range primary weapons that can actually kill a scout. Demomen can use loch'n load and heavies miniguns can deal quite a bit of damage if he gets a little los[/QUOTE] Oh, so a Minigun that spreads like shit is a weapon for mid to long ranges? :downs: Pyros can kill Scouts on long range, thanks to the Flaregun. [QUOTE=slapdown3;35597189]Why does everyone hate the pyro? He just wants some love, he's not overpowered, you have have to be within melee range to hit someone with the axetuinguisher anyways, if you aren't cautious around corners you're going to die a lot and not just from pyros.[/QUOTE] I don't hate the Pyro. After several stat resets, Pyro is my most played class once again. I'm getting along with playing Pyro pretty good. I love the Pyro. I just don't love those players who can't put any effort into playing Pyro and go puff'n'sting because it's the easiest way to get kills with the Pyro. I myself have 944 kills with my Strange Axtinguisher. None of my Axtinguisher kills were done in a combinated usage with the Degreaser.

[QUOTE=DatWut?;35597307]Oh, so a Minigun that spreads like shit is a weapon for mid to long ranges? :downs: Pyros can kill Scouts on long range, thanks to the Flaregun.[/QUOTE] Minigun can achieve a lot of damage from any range and the flaregun requires quite a bit of skill if you're claiming it can hit a fleeing scout. [QUOTE=DatWut?;35597307] I don't hate the Pyro. After several stat resets, Pyro is my most played class once again. I'm getting along with playing Pyro pretty good. I love the Pyro. I just don't love those players who can't put any effort into playing Pyro and go puff'n'sting because it's the easiest way to get kills with the Pyro. I myself have 944 kills with my Strange Axtinguisher. None of my Axtinguisher kills were done in a combinated usage with the Degreaser.[/QUOTE] Puff'n sting might be an easy way of getting kills, but its situational and can only kill you if that situation is met, and doesn't really do anything else. Puff'n sting isn't some magical trump card that can defeat any class, if your team is having pyro puff'n sting problems go counter pyro, fight fire with fire because the puff'n sting doesn't work on other pyros. This has been said too many times but, the combo is [b]ONLY[/b] overpowered when used together, the only way to fix it is to separate them or make them incompatable without rendering them useless together, I know a lot of pyros who would be very sad if their primary form of attack was demolished.

[QUOTE=slapdown3;35597296]Spies swing might be instant but the movement speed of even a tomislav isn't enough for a face stab.[/QUOTE] I have managed to facestab a Heavy standing still with his back against a corner in a server with a good ping. The hit detection in this game is just horrible so it doesn't matter how fast or slow you're moving if you can backstab enemies who are right [b]behind you, looking right at your back![/b]

[QUOTE=slapdown3;35597413]Puff'n sting might be an easy way of getting kills, but its situational and can only kill you if that situation is met, and doesn't really do anything else. Puff'n sting isn't some magical trump card that can defeat any class, if your team is having pyro puff'n sting problems go counter pyro, fight fire with fire because the puff'n sting doesn't work on other pyros. This has been said too many times but, the combo is [b]ONLY[/b] overpowered when used together, the only way to fix it is to separate them or make them incompatable without rendering them useless together, I know a lot of pyros who would be very sad if their primary form of attack was demolished.[/QUOTE] If your team has problems with enemy puff'n sting, go backburner pyro with shotgun. Endless raging from "pro pyro players" ensue :v:

[QUOTE=slapdown3;35597413]I know a lot of pyros who would be very sad if their [B]primary form of attack[/B] was demolished.[/QUOTE] That bold part. Very sad. Those're those people who never touched Pyro when he needed skill. Talking about skill: [QUOTE=slapdown3;35597413]Minigun can achieve a lot of damage from any range and the flaregun requires quite a bit of skill if you're claiming it can hit a fleeing scout.[/QUOTE] You're digging your grave mate. You totally do. By that you just sort of admitted that you play a no-skill loadout. You know how many Scout's I've pissed of by making them eat my flare? And they were escaping from me. [editline]16th April 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Simski;35597444]If your team has problems with enemy puff'n sting, go backburner pyro with shotgun. Endless raging from "pro pyro players" ensue :v:[/QUOTE] Also this, I get pissed when I see how people complain about getting their backs burned, even though flanking as a Pyro is really difficult. I once backburned a Sniper. He called me a noob for using Backburner. He said if I were using the normal FT he wouldn't complain. This guy also plays Degreaser+Axtinguisher Pyro. Puff'n'Sting is a loadout for people who never played Pyro before the Degreaser got in, because they failed at it.

[QUOTE=DatWut?;35597449]That bold part. Very sad. Those're those people who never touched Pyro when he needed skill. Talking about skill: You're digging your grave mate. You totally do. By that you just sort of admitted that you play a no-skill loadout. You know how many Scout's I've pissed of by making them eat my flare? And they were escaping from me.[/QUOTE] Pyro requires minimal skill to be a competent threat in tf2, but only unique load-outs trump default and puff'n sting, I keep having to repeat myself but my favorite load-out is Phlogistinator, The Detonator, and the Homewrecker. I'm trying to defend two weapons that are perfectly fine ALONE, but everyone else here is trying to make them both worse, I'm sorry if by your standards I have a "no-skill" load out and whoopsie on me for thinking it was hard to successfully hit a scout with a flare twice.

i personally do better when using anything but the puff and sting loadout. mostly because i tend to find groups of enemies. and a puff and sting pyro can handle 2 enemies max if they ain't retarded. especially on certain payload maps i can flank an entire enemy attack force with the backburner, ambush them from behind, kill them, whip out the homewrecker and whack a friendly building or two which a spy sapped earlier. with puff and sting, i can kill one and get the attention of some others while i run for it towards another sentry.

[QUOTE=slapdown3;35597534]Pyro requires minimal skill to be a competent threat in tf2, but only unique load-outs trump default and puff'n sting, I keep having to repeat myself but my favorite load-out is Phlogistinator, The Detonator, and the Homewrecker. [B]I'm trying to defend two weapons that are perfectly fine ALONE[/B], but everyone else here is trying to make them both worse, I'm sorry if by your standards I have a "no-skill" load out and whoopsie on me for thinking it wasn't hard to successfully hit a scout with a flare twice.[/QUOTE] Are you talking about Degreaser and Axtinguisher? I have no problem with either. It's just that both together are easymode.

[QUOTE=DatWut?;35597574]Are you talking about Degreaser and Axtinguisher? I have no problem with either. It's just that both together are easymode.[/QUOTE] Exactly, but making one or both of them worse isn't the way to fix them, someone at valve needs to make an anti-set, where you get a specific debuff for using those two together. Set debuff: -75% airblast strength -25% critical damage Or something like that, not getting rid of the strengths, just weakening.

every time a puff and sting pyro comes at me as soldier i just wait til he airblasts me, then fire a rocket at his feet. sending him in the air, then i fire another rocket which often kills him. the airblast and rocket has the excact same fire speed. so if he blasts before or afte you shoot, all you need to do is hold down the fire button and 2 rockets will usually be enough

[QUOTE=slapdown3;35597739]Exactly, but making one or both of them worse isn't the way to fix them, someone at valve needs to make an anti-set, where you get a specific debuff for using those two together. Set debuff: -75% airblast strength -25% critical damage Or something like that, not getting rid of the strengths, just weakening.[/QUOTE] That's why I said to give the Axtinguisher a stat that keeps it unaffected from the Degreaser switch speed. It might affect the Degreaser's strength of swichting weapons faster, but it'd only affect the Axtinguisher. You could still pull out your Shotgun/Flaregun incredibly fast, which is agood I think. I am spoiled by the Degreaser's fast weapon switch, I have to admit. It's just pretty damn handy to blow some shotgun shells into a Soldier, tricking him into shooting a rocket at you and then quickly switching to primary just to backblast. That's why I love the Degreaser. And the reason I disagreed with the Degreaser stats someone suggested some pages back which turned all crits into minicrits is the reason that this stat would make the Pyro a worse choice for Critcharges. Unless the Pyro has a godly flaregun aim or has the Shotgun with him, I'd consider Kritzing a Pyro a bad coice.

>Join server >2 aimbotters/speedhackers trolling people Why.

[QUOTE=DatWut?;35597837]That's why I said to give the Axtinguisher a stat that keeps it unaffected from the Degreaser switch speed. It might affect the Degreaser's strength of swichting weapons faster, but it'd only affect the Axtinguisher. You could still pull out your Shotgun/Flaregun incredibly fast, which is agood I think. I am spoiled by the Degreaser's fast weapon switch, I have to admit. It's just pretty damn handy to blow some shotgun shells into a Soldier, tricking him into shooting a rocket at you and then quickly switching to primary just to backblast. That's why I love the Degreaser. And the reason I disagreed with the Degreaser stats someone suggested some pages back which turned all crits into minicrits is the reason that this stat would make the Pyro a worse choice for Critcharges. Unless the Pyro has a godly flaregun aim or has the Shotgun with him, I'd consider Kritzing a Pyro a bad choice.[/QUOTE] You [i]do[/i] have a braincell or two, I'm happy I wasn't arguing with someone who was oblivious to other peoples opinions. Still, the puff'n sting is a small problem and it needs to be [b]fixed[/b], I just hope that when they fix it, it won't be like the phlog fix where they just slapped -10% damage and reduced crits, it deserves regular flamethrower damage.

[QUOTE=slapdown3;35597943][B]You [i]do[/i] have a braincell or two[/B], I'm happy I wasn't arguing with someone who was oblivious to other peoples opinions. Still, the puff'n sting is a small problem and it needs to be [b]fixed[/b], I just hope that when they fix it, it won't be like the phlog fix where they just slapped -10% damage and reduced crits, it deserves regular flamethrower damage.[/QUOTE] I'm taking the bold part wordless. Seriously now, I'm a Pyro main-player. I know what I'm talking about when I say Degreaser+Axtinguisher is a powerful "easymode" combo. I still remember when the Pyro update hit, I farmed achievements with friends. I was one of the better players with the Airblast. Some friends of mine have failed Airblasts completely, while I handled them pretty well. I think that airblasts arethe Pyros most powerful weapon. And thinking about it, I know a way Valve coul nerf the Degreaser. It could get the old Airblast stats; slower blast speed, more ammo cost, no mini-crit. But that'd be a nerf that'd hurt me personally.

[img]http://i.imgur.com/SSgQe.png[/img] [img]http://i.imgur.com/YNYhi.png[/img] [img]http://i.imgur.com/bqLqt.png[/img] I swear the medic needs a weapon that turns crits taken into mini-crits or something. I also dislike it when soldiers pull out their equalizers when they are A) Ubered B) On fire C) being shot at

[QUOTE=OffTheRoad;35597006]And the splendid screen is not meant to give you guaranteed crits at all ranges[/QUOTE] Considering the "Hit With Shield At Any Range = Full Crit For Melee" change happened when the Splendid Screen was added to the game, and still exists to this day, I'm pretty sure that yes, it is meant to give you a guaranteed critical at any range so long as you hit the target with your shield first.

The times when Pyro required skill were the times before the airblast buffs. Not that I dislike the buffs but you had to be pretty fucking ninja to actually do decent with Pyro because of the difficulties of airblasting. Nowadays it's just 'pros' claiming to be good because they use cheap combos all over the place. Seriously, I've seen less W+M1 Pyros lately than the selfcalled 'pros'. And by the way I have over 400h as Pyro so I know what I'm talking about. If you don't believe you can simply check my profile.

[QUOTE=Tygrys;35599509]The times when Pyro required skill were the times before the airblast buffs. Not that I dislike the buffs but you had to be pretty fucking ninja to actually do decent with Pyro because of the difficulties of airblasting. Nowadays it's just 'pros' claiming to be good because they use cheap combos all over the place. Seriously, I've seen less W+M1 Pyros lately than the selfcalled 'pros'. And by the way I have over 400h as Pyro so I know what I'm talking about. If you don't believe you can simply check my profile.[/QUOTE] You don't seem to like the spy very much. I'm mentally defunct, I can't seem to type out what I'm thinking right now. I'm going to try again later. Bazkip is a nice guy.

If I see one more post about pyros, I'm gonna fucking lose it. I'm sorry. It's the truth. I don't care about your pyros. Sorry. [B]Edit[/B] Probably coulda worded this better. I mean I just scrolled through about 4 or so pages of "Degreaser-Axetinguisher is[n't] overpowered", and I'm fucking sick of it. Also: [url]http://tf2b.com/?id=76561197995704402[/url] Look at the names. ...Why.

Valve should just make the Backburner light the whole map on fire and instantly kill everyone for a single weekend just to see the reactions that it'd get.

[QUOTE=light dasher;35598632]I also dislike it when soldiers pull out their equalizers[/QUOTE] ftfy Want a tip? always check the loadout of the soldier you're healing, if he uses the equalizer, inform him that in order for you to heal him he must take that blasted thing off, if he refuses, avoid healing him. It usually works

[QUOTE=iRunner;35601846]ftfy Want a tip? always check the loadout of the soldier you're healing, if he uses the equalizer, inform him that in order for you to heal him he must take that blasted thing off, if he refuses, avoid healing him. It usually works[/QUOTE] But the equalizer is the best soldier melee in the game, with the disclipinary action behind. As long as he isn't using a banner of some kind or boots, he should be fine.

[QUOTE=Guitarplayer213;35602503]But the equalizer is the best soldier melee in the game, with the disclipinary action behind. As long as he isn't using a banner of some kind or boots, he should be fine.[/QUOTE] I'm not saying it's bad, I'm saying that it's annoying to heal someone who uses it

>Playing Grordbort Soldier >Medic hops on me >Ubercharges me with the Kritkrieg >End up only getting one assist with the charge after whipping out my half-zatoichi, hitting a Pyro right as he's headshot. >Medic runs away. >I'm stuck with the zatoichi. Feels bad. I later told the medic I was sorry for using the Mangler, but still, the can't be Krit-boosted stat is retarded as shit.

[QUOTE=iRunner;35602556]I'm not saying it's bad, I'm saying that it's annoying to heal someone who uses it[/QUOTE] Only if they use it stupidly [QUOTE=NateDude;35602715]>Playing Grordbort Soldier >Medic hops on me >Ubercharges me with the Kritkrieg [B]>End up only getting one assist with the charge after whipping out my half-zatoichi, hitting a Pyro right as he's headshot[/b]. >Medic runs away. >I'm stuck with the zatoichi. Feels bad. I later told the medic I was sorry for using the Mangler, but still, the can't be Krit-boosted stat is retarded as shit.[/QUOTE] Wait, you hit a Pyro with the Zatoichi while kritzed and [I]didn't[/I] kill them? Were they overhealed or something?

I really hate it when I'm soldier or heavy or something, and then I'm being healed by a pocket medic for some reason, and then stupid people proceed to tell me to fuck off for having a pocket medic even though I keep telling the medic to heal someone else.

People who challenge you to a duel, then play medic. And taunt you over the mic despite not actually killing you even once.

[QUOTE=01271;35596572] Oh look, top of the page. I better find something... [t]http://cloud.steampowered.com/ugc/541798870725033310/3A91DFBBFC0ED487999435534D5D54D653DF702E/[/t] Look at that tiny heart.[/QUOTE] It's probably late of me to notice but [img]http://i.imgur.com/fo8Nq.jpg[/img] that Sniper's so fucking high right now