[QUOTE=redBadger;26360265]Milkman Scout's downside is that the melee weapon has no stats whatsoever.[/QUOTE]You get to slap people with a [b]fish[/b]. How is that a downside? It's the same as the default bat anyways.
[QUOTE=Keychain;26360225]I don't mind setbonuses, as long as they have downsides like some of the current ones. Like the Saharan Spy seems to have it made with his silenced cloaking, but that delayed cloak flickering has fucked me over so many god damn times it almost makes the set not worth using![/QUOTE]
If you use the Dead Ringer, his cloak won't flicker at all anyway.
Set bonuses are okay with me, I guess, but they shouldn't come with hats or anything else that's hard to obtain.
[QUOTE=redBadger;26360265]Milkman Scout's downside is that the melee weapon has no stats whatsoever.
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The point is that there should be a downside if there's an upside. Why should a scout have +25 more health than another scout just because he's wearing a certain hat?
[QUOTE=redBadger;26360265]Milkman Scout's downside is that the melee weapon has no stats whatsoever.[/QUOTE]
But he could just be using the normal bat if he wanted that.
When people talk about the set bonuses, they're talking about the bonus you get from putting ALL the pieces of the set together, which includes the hats. This means that, right now, the difference between a Scout with 125 HP and a Scout with 150 HP can be a hat, which is fucking ridiculous.
So no, there is no downside to using the complete set.
EDIT: Ninja'd
I do like the idea of an epic snowman boss battle though.
For some reason it makes me think of Billy Hatcher.
Redmond and Blutarch Mann choking "Greenberg Mann" (which is a really, really strange name) to death is kinda lame, and the background story shouldn't be so in-depth (and a snowman would be the most retarded place to hide a body, what would they do when it melts?). With the halloween update we didn't get some complex explanation, other than that Silas Mann haunted the manor. If background info is a must, just make it that "greenberg" (still sounds strange, I realize you probably chose it because it has a colour in it, but characters other than Redmond and Blutarch don't need that) fell through the ice on a frozen lake or something simple.
The boss battle sounds like a chore to complete, because the boss has so much HP. A much more interesting boss could be made with a more unconventional approach than "fire a shitload of bullets into it", although the fact that it has other attacks than melee is a fresh take on it. Perhaps make it obligatory for the players to kill the lesser bosses before the actual boss can be killed?
And the Abominable Snowmann really fits alot better, yes "Horseless Headless Horsemann" did arguably sound funnier because of the ridiculously long name, but the name [i]had[/i] to be that long in order for it to make sense, and an idea shouldn't necessarily be reused if something innovative and as funny could be used.
That being said, I liked most of your update idea and it could be really good if these minor issued were adressed.
The medic melee sounds really... Shite to be honest. Especially taking away the medic's regen. It sounds like a poor man's ubersaw and the bonuses aren't really worth it.
[QUOTE=Zeos;26360696]The medic melee sounds really... Shite to be honest. Especially taking away the medic's regen. It sounds like a poor man's ubersaw and the bonuses aren't really worth it.[/QUOTE]
There's only no regen when you have it out.
It still has no criticals, causes you to have less health, all for it to charge up your uber, which when using the Auracharger, fills up faster than Uber anyways.
[QUOTE=Chrille;26360540]Redmond and Blutarch Mann choking "Greenberg Mann" (which is a really, really strange name) to death is kinda lame, and the background story shouldn't be so in-depth (and a snowman would be the most retarded place to hide a body, what would they do when it melts?). With the halloween update we didn't get some complex explanation, other than that Silas Mann haunted the manor. If background info is a must, just make it that "greenberg" (still sounds strange, I realize you probably chose it because it has a colour in it, but characters other than Redmond and Blutarch don't need that) fell through the ice on a frozen lake or something simple.
The boss battle sounds like a chore to complete, because the boss has so much HP. A much more interesting boss could be made with a more unconventional approach than "fire a shitload of bullets into it", although the fact that it has other attacks than melee is a fresh take on it. Perhaps make it obligatory for the players to kill the lesser bosses before the actual boss can be killed?
And the Abominable Snowmann really fits alot better, yes "Horseless Headless Horsemann" did arguably sound funnier because of the ridiculously long name, but the name [i]had[/i] to be that long in order for it to make sense, and an idea shouldn't necessarily be reused if something innovative and as funny could be used.
That being said, I liked most of your update idea and it could be really good if these minor issued were adressed.[/QUOTE]
VALVe can always change the story however they want. but the boss fight has to be epic (maybe a background music), also, Greenberg does sound wierd to non-jewish people because its an ashkenazi jewish name.
The Snowmann has to be HUGE. Like big enough to separate the two fighting teams completely so that they are forced to work together if they want to get back to the battle.
No.
NO.
NOO.
I fucking HATE Expert's Ordnance because it's fucking overrated as all FUCK.
Goddamn War Reparations is where it's at.
greenberg mann
heh I am naming my child greenberg
[editline]29th November 2010[/editline]
[QUOTE=Ian;26382957]No.
NO.
NOO.
I fucking HATE Expert's Ordnance because it's fucking overrated as all FUCK.
Goddamn War Reparations is where it's at.[/QUOTE]
correct
[QUOTE=Ian;26382957]No.
NO.
NOO.
I fucking HATE Expert's Ordnance because it's fucking overrated as all FUCK.
Goddamn War Reparations is where it's at.[/QUOTE]
I prefer it too, but ffs. do you want a new kind of demo-knights that might be stronger then before?
[QUOTE=Simski;26357614]Fuck, no.
Please goddamn no.
No more fucking set bonuses.[/QUOTE]
Fixed. :eng101:
[QUOTE=IsraDevil;26406803]I prefer it too, but ffs. do you want a new kind of demo-knights that might be stronger then before?[/QUOTE]
Demoknights are easier to fight than sticky champions.
I believe you stole that snowman image from maplestory
Too much shit for a holiday update. Not even the 2 halloween updates combined had that many features.
Valve most likely has something planned already
[editline]1st December 2010[/editline]
And lol maplestory
[QUOTE=JGillo;26357628]Especially if the hat is part of the set. That's just unfair.[/QUOTE]
Not really.
Please don't give the demo a set bonus, valve.
Please :ohdear:
I'm ok with the achievement/event/boss for a holiday update but please, no more weapons for the moment.
Also no more set bonuses.
Yeah the pic is from maple, I google'd it
Also, the original demo pack idea was:
new Demoman Pack:
[url]http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/4431/sirtavish.png[/url]
[B]The Celtic Kite[/B]
( ) Alt-Fire: Gain increased attack power by charging towards your enemies.
(+) 40% Bullet Protection
(+) 25% Protection from Explosions
(-) -15% Speed when being hit by bullets
(-) +25% Damage taken from Fire
[B]The Dullahan[/B]
(-) When Weapon is active : -3 HP per second on wearer
(+) 10 Seconds of 15% speed boost on kill
(-) No Random Critical hits
( ) This sword contains positive Spirits, unlike the Eyelander.
[B]Gallant Guardian[/B]
Level 0~100 Hat
Set Effect: Sir Tavish Triumph
(+) 25 Max HP
(+) No HP reduction from the Dullahan
(+) +5 HP on hit and +10 additional HP on kill
(+) 15% Speed
(-) No Speed boost from the Dullahan.
Guys, remember that still we have to receive the 6th Polycount pack
Otherwise. nice :D
Well, i thought of a better Demoman set:
A new Demoman Pack:
WAR! Reparations
[url]http://www.polycount.com/forum/showthread.php?t=73451[/url]
[B]Wallace's War Kit[/B]
Level 5 War Kit (Melee Replacment this time.)
( ) Alt-Fire: Gain increased attack power by charging towards your enemies. (Critical hits only with the Celtic Cannon)
(+) +20% Passive Bullet Resistance
(+) +20% Active Bullet Resistance when charging
(-) -10% Speed when being hit by bullets on wearer (After charge)
(-) +15% Damage taken from Fire
(-) -10% Speed for 5 seconds after charge.
(Speed does not change when being hit from bullets 5 secs after charging, it will stay -10% instead of bitchy -70%)
[B]The Celtic Cannon[/B]
Level 24 Cannon [I](1707 the year of the union. 17+7=24[Granade Launcher Replacement])[/I]
( ) Granades doesn't Bounce and explode on contact
(+) This Weapons shoots 2 Granades at a time
(+) -25% Damage each granade
(-) -10% Reload Speed
(-) -50% Clip size (2 shots of 2)
(-) No damage resistance when this weapon is not reloaded (both with or without ammo)
St. Andrew's Cross
Level 0~100 Misc
Set Bonus: Celtic Origins
(+) +15% Passive Resistance from Explosions
(-) -15% Speed while reloading
Pros and Cons:
Celtic Cannon:
Pros:
*1.5X damage compere to the regular GL.
*Grate for ambushes or charges
Cons:
*Longer and slower reloads (shoots 2 shots of 2, total of 4 granades and reloads one by one) compere to the original GL.
*Must be reloaded if you want your damage resistance on
*If you dont have the right strategy, your run will be failed easly
Wallace's War Kit:
Pros:
*Finally the ability to crit with the Grenade Launcher while charging!
*Good Passive and Active Damage Resistance
Cons:
*Slowdown is a bitch
*Makes pyros and heavies a little more dangerous then before.
*No melee weapon will make the escape from the Celtic Cannon Reloads harder.
Anyone agrees this is a better Demoman Pack?
Personaly I'd like some kind of snow ball element added to the event, could work like a granade 'sept dose no damage...
Hello?...
Just me then :(
I'd prefer War Reparations but not all items need to have complicated situational only perks and downsides to be sidegrades. They just have to be balanced (Though however often that actually gets around to being true is another story) and offer something new.
Christmas achievements, when you achieve one, you get a santa hat, if you're lucky it's unusual and it has a snow effect.
[QUOTE=IsraDevil;26356728]
big picture of a snowman
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Hey is that the snowman from maplestory?
That boss was a cocksucker during Xmas.
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