Major Update Speculation Thread XIV: Roman Numerals are the Best Edition - Games

[QUOTE=zipziggy;39825266]wrong; why? the backpack size limit. While true to some extent that you have access to "everything" the 50 bp backpack size completely limits your access to what all you can have, not to mention that you bp space for weapons is futher reduces by useless holiday items like spirit of giving, noisemakers and party hat; if tf2 was truly ftp there would be no backpack limit that forces you to either limit the weapons available to your loadout or become premium Your essentially given 1/2 the bp space needed furthermore set hats milkman, gas jockey croc and Sahara all have some strong game changing ablilities but VALVe cant remove the sets or allow them to drop like weapons due to that hurting mann co contribute-er sales The crafting recpies for weapons are soo redonculous expensive that its hard to craft them, a smarrt ftp will not have more than 1 of a weapon So is everything game changing available to ftps? no[/QUOTE] See, this is actually a good argument that they should have made in the article. With that said, all they have to do to remedy the problem is increase backpack size.

The backpack space is fine as it is. Out of the 120+ (or whatever number of weapons we have I don't feel like counting) stats weapons, only like 30 of them are actually all that good, and worth keeping. Everything else is like 8/10 times outshined by stock, excluding melees.

as far as i can see the cockfighter is up to like, 7-9 keys now. 10 bucks says it plummets within a week or two.

[QUOTE=DrCactus;39826075]The backpack space is fine as it is. Out of the 120+ (or whatever number of weapons we have I don't feel like counting) stats weapons, only like 30 of them are actually all that good, and worth keeping. Everything else is like 8/10 times outshined by stock, excluding melees.[/QUOTE] first off opinions; what might be ineffective to you could be viable and fun to some one else; not all people play the same way second of all no other ftp game like for example Tribes, SMNC and planetside 2 to name some have this form of restriction that force you to go premium rather they offer alternatives through microtransactions to get the content or classes faster Furthermore the tf2 team releases content that eats away bp space like mentioned before; pointless cosmetics, and other things such as the canteen

[QUOTE=zipziggy;39826163]first off opinions; what might be ineffective to you could be viable and fun to some one else; not all people play the same way[/QUOTE] It's more of a common accepted fact that Stock is for the most part better then most unlocks. Fun is subjective. [QUOTE=zipziggy;39826163] second of all no other ftp game like for example Tribes, SMNC and planetside 2 to name some have this form of restriction that force you to go premium rather they offer alternatives through microtransactions to get the content or classes faster[/QUOTE] I don't see why this matters really. some games do things differently. [QUOTE=zipziggy;39826163] Furthermore the tf2 team releases content that eats away bp space like mentioned before; pointless cosmetics, and other things such as the canteen[/QUOTE] Just delete the cosmetics from your backpack then. They're pointless anyway like you said. Canteen is only important to people who play MVM, so that depends more on the person.

[QUOTE=DrCactus;39826225]It's more of a common accepted fact that Stock is for the most part better then most unlocks. Fun is subjective. I don't see why this matters really. some games do things differently. Just delete the cosmetics from your backpack then. They're pointless anyway like you said. Canteen is only important to people who play MVM, so that depends more on the person.[/QUOTE] The fact of the matter is that they essentially force you through multiple ways of becoming premium if you dont accept the bp size limit i can point to other examples like salvaged crates having a higher drop rate to ftp accounts Next lets discuss “viable weapons shall we?” In every case melee unlocks are all unlocks are upgrades furthermore all the mediguns are viable next up there are the kill indexed straight upgrades such as the ambassador, bazaar bargian and loose cannon then there are valid sidegrades like the flaregun and detonator or the rescue ranger, frontier justice, the original and overdose Its like that for every class you cannot defend this To actively force a limit on a player choices to, hinder how they play and then say that their only limited “cosmetically” is wrong

Salvaged crates are trivial and don't affect much, gameplay wise. Not every melee is a straight upgrade. the only straight upgrades I can think of, off the top of my head are Third Degree, axetinguisher Amputator, and Escape Plan. Melee is for the most part really unimportant as nobody almost ever uses them unless they're goofing around. Yes, the Mediguns are all viable options, but the only unlock that actually competes with the Stock uber is the kritzkrieg. Everything else isn't really as good. Viable? sure. But Uber generally outperforms either medigun. The Bazaar bargain isn't really an upgrade because the reward for using the weapon correctly isn't worth the effort it takes tbh. I think enforcer is more of an upgrade then amby tbh lol Original is a reskin. Don't really see why that needs to be brought up. You have 50 backpack slots. Enough for any real sidegrade weapon. And if you don't have enough space, you're more then welcome to craft the weapons you rarely use together. My friend has been F2P for a good year now, and he's gotten around with mainly stock just fine. So, yes I can defend this. I mean I'm not against increasing the F2P backpack limit, but you're really not at some disadvantage because some guy has a Boston basher they're almost never going to use Also, I need to stop myself from getting into these debates :v:

[QUOTE=DrCactus;39826539]Original is a reskin. Don't really see why that needs to be brought up.[/QUOTE] oh my fucking god I thought people had finally gotten it through their thick heads that the Original is not a reskin shooting from the center of the screen isn't cosmetic, you know

Original isn't a reskin.

Well, my bad then. I never thought it made that big of a difference. I'm so sorry I upset you so much toasty :'(

[QUOTE=Totenkreuz;39826624]Original isn't a reskin.[/QUOTE] I know that, but, whats the difference with firing from the side

[QUOTE=Cosa8888;39826655]I know that, but, whats the difference with firing from the side[/QUOTE] Rocket jumping changes massively, try it. With the original you can aim better, but with stock you can fire from a corner.

Hm. Never thought of it that way. It always felt weird using the Original for me, so idunno

I've never played quake, so when I first used the original, I was freaking the fuck out about why my viewmodels were moved. I eventually started loving soldier's rocket ejaculating penis.

[QUOTE=Lazlo;39826760]I've never played quake, so when I first used the original, I was freaking the fuck out about why my viewmodels were moved. I eventually started loving soldier's rocket ejaculating penis.[/QUOTE] firing sounds pretty nice too

[QUOTE=BoxinShrimp;39825055]no lowballs or reprt[/QUOTE] I like to think this is the TF2 equivalent to Dota 2's "Solo mid or feed"

The Original is just the Rocket Launcher moved a few inches to the left. I don't think that constitutes it being considered its own weapon. It's like the whole debate about whether or not it's a separate language or a dialect of another language.

[QUOTE=A B.A. Survivor;39828330]The Original is just the Rocket Launcher moved a few inches to the left. I don't think that constitutes it being considered its own weapon. It's like the whole debate about whether or not it's a separate language or a dialect or another language.[/QUOTE] Please tell me you're pretending.

original changes your perspective on edging, especially against sentries. It also affects rocketjumping. i consider it unique

I cant believe I thought "The Original" WAS a reskin, and the centre thing was a bug the first week of playing. Suffice to say I provided some entertainment to SPUF for my stupidity.

Doesnt the Original also have its own specific crafting recipe? If it was truely a reskin it would use the luck based token recipe that all of them use.

[QUOTE=Yukinari;39828984]Doesnt the Original also have its own specific crafting recipe? If it was truely a reskin it would use the luck based token recipe that all of them use.[/QUOTE] It actually lacked a recipe up until they got bombarded by a few emails from ned and yours truly and probably a bunch of other people but mostly ned.

[QUOTE=Psychopath12;39829029]It actually lacked a recipe up until they got bombarded by a few emails from ned and yours truly and probably a bunch of other people but mostly ned.[/QUOTE] I like how the recipe is purely metal

[QUOTE=Barobax;39824315]No one mentioned the scattergun. I'm comparing the Milkman Set to the Milkman Set w/o Hat. One of them is obtainable as F2P while the other is not.[/QUOTE] To make it more clear: The milkman set, with or without the hat, is a sidegrade. It doesn't beat a default Scout by far.

[QUOTE=DatWut?;39830213]To make it more clear: The milkman set, with or without the hat, is a sidegrade. It doesn't beat a default Scout by far.[/QUOTE] This. The stats may lead to the opinion thats its an upgrade, because it only says +25 hp (or something). But the downside of this set are the weapons you are forced to use which are much worse than the default ones.

[QUOTE=DatWut?;39830213]To make it more clear: The milkman set, with or without the hat, is a sidegrade. It doesn't beat a default Scout by far.[/QUOTE] also pretty boy's pocket pistol

[QUOTE=Hell-met;39828456]original changes your perspective on edging, especially against sentries. It also affects rocketjumping. i consider it unique[/QUOTE] It pretty much has its own postivies in negatives. Such as this: +Easier to control and rocket jumping is better -Peeking is harder

[QUOTE=VietRooster2;39826107]as far as i can see the cockfighter is up to like, 7-9 keys now. 10 bucks says it plummets within a week or two.[/QUOTE] I'm trying to pawn mine off, but people are offering dumbass prices.

[QUOTE=Prollgurke;39830309]This. The stats may lead to the opinion thats its an upgrade, because it only says +25 hp (or something). But the downside of this set are the weapons you are forced to use which are much worse than the default ones.[/QUOTE] Shortstop is a viable sidegrade to the stock scratter because it allows you to harrash and heckel while dealing decent damage at pistol range Mad milk is one of the most powerful utilty throawbles in the game with multiple uses Fish is a straight upgrade to the bat cause it allows you to spy check for clocked spys And 150hp scouts is horribly broken and op; it needs a valid downside Imho only gas jockey is a viable but blanced set bonus

Shortstop has significantly lower DPS than the scattergun, it is a crutch. Only really OP set is the Saharan spy, but you need the l'etranger.