New update idea- Map tokens - Games

[QUOTE=Overseer No. 2;23068601] So, I found this really great idea from the steam forums, and I thought it was so good I'd let you guys see it for yourselves. So here's how the idea runs- let's say Valve, in the engineer update, offers 5 new maps. However, you can only play them if you have the relevant[B] map token[/B] in your backpack, else you're not allowed to play, rather than just letting everyone play with them all. Why? Well, I'll explain a bit further on, but first, the tokens. So how do you get these tokens? Simple- like you do regular weapon drops. Of course, if that's too slow, there are crafting recipies for all 5 using combinations of 2 of the other tokens, so you don't have to wait forever until you get to play the map. So why would Valve do this? I see several good points here- 1) [B]You're not overloaded with new maps[/B]. Imagine logging on and having to pick between 5 maps- new players would quit the game, and old players, well, 5 maps, that's a lot of choice. This way, you're slowly introduced to each one. 2) [B]You might not even like the maps[/B]. You may love PL_Rocky, but hate CP_Garage. Because Valve can't tell who would like what, it's fair for everyone, and besides, no-one really needs all the new maps, do they? Some might be imbalanced, so why would you ever want to play them? 3) [B]It adds much needed excitement to the game[/B]. If you could just play with all the maps, you'd get bored. Imagine the thrill when you find a CTF_Doubledash token? If you were just given them, it'd be no fun. It sounds a great system to me, and I know I for one would support it![/QUOTE] You sir, are either a master of trolling, or a master satirist. Bravo. :golfclap: EDIT: For those who don't understand how this is satire or what satire is, google and read "A Modest Proposal".

[QUOTE=CrazyBaconLegs;23068789]Even if you don't have a weapon, you can still play. If you don't have a map, you'd be excluded entirely. Basically there's two options if a server switches maps. The person is permaspectate for that map, which would be boring and unfun, or they are kicked, which is frustrating and frankly bad design. You're using reductio ad absurdium to make a point here. That does not make you smart. Taking an idea and running with it to ridiculous lengths can be done with anything, it does not prove anything.[/QUOTE] OK, a valid point by a smart guy. I like you, so I'll take some time here. Yeah, maps are one form of exclusion. You can't get to a server with a map on, it sucks ass. Equally, not having a weapon in a certain situation is just as frustrating. I waited weeks for the right drops for a homewrecker, and it really sucked knowing I could have helped an engineer, but the drop system didn't work. It is absurd to think weapons shouldn't be just given, as maps are. If you're still reading, do you think weapons should just be given, as well? [QUOTE=Mechtroid;23068895]You sir, are either a master of trolling, or a master satirist. Bravo. :golfclap:[/QUOTE] Intended as the second. Though most people don't quite seem get the point I'm trying to make here.

This is really stupid. Any type of map restriction would be terrible, I mean [i]any [/i]kind.

no way! that would lead to you having to pay like a buck to play for a server on one session! this is a BAD idea... I like to have a lot of choice the instant i get into the game, not this token unlocking stuff that you are suggesting...

[QUOTE=Overseer No. 2;23068601][B]Well, I didn't think I'd need to do this, but, whatever, people can't tell satire. This is a joke. If you can tell me why maps should be allowed to all, but not community weapons, I will eat my own arse. And I'll provide pictures too. [/B][/QUOTE] Ok, here you go: It's like if you join a server. Immediately, you are kicked from the server because you don't have the backburner. This is not the case with weapons. With weapons, you either earn them or are given them. You are disallowed access to them, but lack of having them does not impair your gameplay. However, if you don't have a map, with this idea, you are essentially temporarily banned from a server for no reason. You are not allowed to play on an entire server because of luck. Now GET THE FUCK OUT OF HERE, troll.

oh, and i agree with keychain, any type of map limitation is just bad, especscially with an online only game...

This thread is "If I can't have weapons, people cannot play." I propose that OP is Dr.Doom.

[QUOTE=geel9;23068929]Ok, here you go: It's like if you join a server. Immediately, you are kicked from the server because you don't have the backburner. This is not the case with weapons. With weapons, you either earn them or are given them. You are disallowed access to them, but lack of having them does not impair your gameplay. However, if you don't have a map, with this idea, you are essentially temporarily banned from a server for no reason. You are not allowed to play on an entire server because of luck. Now GET THE FUCK OUT OF HERE, troll.[/QUOTE] You mean satarist. I'm trying to make an arguement and a case here for having weapons useable the second they're in game. It does impair your gameplay, a lack of weaponry. In certain situations, a weapon can turn the tide of battle. Agreed, not all the community unlocks are useful, but they will be buffed, and at that point, not having them will begin to breach upon battle tactics. [editline]02:01AM[/editline] [QUOTE=geel9;23068929]Ok, here you go: It's like if you join a server. Immediately, you are kicked from the server because you don't have the backburner. This is not the case with weapons. With weapons, you either earn them or are given them. You are disallowed access to them, but lack of having them does not impair your gameplay. However, if you don't have a map, with this idea, you are essentially temporarily banned from a server for no reason. You are not allowed to play on an entire server because of luck. Now GET THE FUCK OUT OF HERE, troll.[/QUOTE] You mean [B]satarist[/B], not [B]troll[/B]. I'm trying to make an arguement and a case here for having weapons useable the second they're in game. It does impair your gameplay, a lack of weaponry. In certain situations, a weapon can turn the tide of battle. Agreed, not all the community unlocks are useful, but they will be buffed, and at that point, not having them will begin to breach upon battle tactics.

I had huge essay with counter-arguments, but I removed it in last minute. It's because I don't need it. Overseer, you are a troll. This idea is dumb, everyone agrees. Just stop. Oh, I see you turned your dumb idea into satire. Good. Now you are getting all the fame and undeserved "master of trolling/satire" titles. Amazing.

[QUOTE=Nexosz;23068974]I had huge essay with counter-arguments, but I removed it in last minute. It's because I don't need it. Overseer, you are a troll. This idea is dumb, everyone agrees. Just stop.[/QUOTE] Please, I'm not a troll. A troll would not ask why this idea is dumb, and the same one for weapons is apparently OK. I have yet to recieve an answer that is sufficient to explain this discrepancy. And if I really believed this idea was good... well, I'd be too dumb to type.

You just turned it into satire to stop embarrassing yourself. But if you really tried to make this a joke in the first place, you failed. Horribly.

you are asking valve to make it so most maps will never see a full game.

[QUOTE=Nexosz;23069011]You just turned it into satire to stop embarrassing yourself. But if you really tried to make this a joke in the first place, you failed. Horribly.[/QUOTE] *sigh* I want to be logical with you, but it seems you're set on your way of thinking. My point still stands. [B]WHY NOT MAPS[/B], but [B]WHY WEAPONS[/B]?

this is a joke? Well i'm not laughing. :colbert:

The only logic you have shown are your logical fallacies.

1. Get the map out of the GCF 2. Rename it 3. Everyone can play it

[QUOTE=legolover122;23068927]no way! [b]that would lead to you having to pay like a buck to play for a server on one session![/b] this is a BAD idea... I like to have a lot of choice the instant i get into the game, not this token unlocking stuff that you are suggesting...[/QUOTE] huh?

[QUOTE=admiral_Cola;23069052]The only logic you have shown are your logical fallacies.[/QUOTE] Care to point them out? At least then I can try and improve my arguement, and admit defeat if I really believe there's an issue.

Ok, here's why. Because weapons offer an individual player certain advantages or disadvantages that a map does not. End of story.

[QUOTE=Overseer No. 2;23069061]Care to point them out? At least then I can try and improve my arguement, and admit defeat if I really believe there's an issue.[/QUOTE] You compare something you need to play with something you don't need to play with.

[QUOTE=geel9;23069071]Ok, here's why. Because weapons offer an individual player certain advantages or disadvantages that a map does not. End of story.[/QUOTE] So it is wrong to stop players playing on an equal field? I like your thinking. [editline]02:07AM[/editline] [QUOTE=admiral_Cola;23069079]You compare something you need to play with something you don't need to play with.[/QUOTE] Who said you HAVE to play on certain maps? If anything, maps are just there to play on. The big thing that changes battles are the weapons used.

It is wrong to disable players from playing on a map when the map itself doesn't give any advantage to a player.

[QUOTE=Overseer No. 2;23069081]So it is wrong to stop players playing on an equal field? I like your thinking. [editline]02:07AM[/editline] Who said you HAVE to play on certain maps? If anything, maps are just there to play on. The big thing that changes battles are the weapons used.[/QUOTE] You cannot regulate something players don't have control over. Maps are server based.

[QUOTE=geel9;23069092]It is wrong to disable players from playing on a map when the map itself doesn't give any advantage to a player.[/QUOTE] OK, I accept this point- *Maps do not offer any advantage to the player *Therefore, they should be given. (This is your point) And Valve says *Weapons offer players unfair advantages over others. *Therefore they shouldn't be given. Do you see why this doesn't make any sense? To add in content that all can access and has no impact is OK, but the opposite, the creation of an uneven playing field through random drops, is also fine? If anything, it should be reversed. Or better, all given out.

[QUOTE=Overseer No. 2;23069115]OK, I accept this point- *Maps do not offer any advantage to the player *Therefore, they should be given. (This is your point) And Valve says *Weapons offer players unfair advantages over others. *Therefore they shouldn't be given. Do you see why this doesn't make any sense?[/QUOTE] The problem is that you think that weapons offer an unfair advantage when they don't. They offer a different play style.

[QUOTE=Overseer No. 2;23069115]OK, I accept this point- *Maps do not offer any advantage to the player *Therefore, they should be given. (This is your point) [b]And Valve says *Weapons offer players unfair advantages over others. *Therefore they shouldn't be given.[/b] Do you see why this doesn't make any sense?[/QUOTE] Show me were you got this false information. [editline]09:12PM[/editline] Oh wait, you just pulled it out of your ass.

I dare you to post a link to TFitems for your account. You made this thread because you want everything but you dont have everything.

[QUOTE=Uber_Tofu;23069148]Show me were you got this false information. [editline]09:12PM[/editline] Oh wait, you just pulled it out of your ass.[/QUOTE] The fact Valve has not given us a 100% certain way to get the community unlocks is proof enough. This is without random drops. Next? Oh, btw, this is my backpack- [url]http://www.tf2items.com/id/Numenor[/url] All I'm missing is a few cosmetics.

Furthermore, why are you posting this here? You are arguing for the sake of arguing.

[QUOTE=Ekalektik_1;23068668]I don't think this'd work. It would cause more unnecessary elitism.[/QUOTE] Do they not do that with hats and guns also? Unless you cheat, In half life you cant get to the next map without beating the ones before it.