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Sticky Jumper, don't die on me now!! :(
Not the stickies! Noooo!
Oh well, haven't sticky jumped with 3+ stickies in a while so meh. =/
2 is enough to pull off everything I do so... eh. Nothing changing me.
[QUOTE=Zadrave;42217968]2 is enough to pull off everything I do so... eh. Nothing changing me.[/QUOTE]
Seeing as how its intended use is to practice stickybomb jumping, and any more than 2 normal stickybombs is enough to kill you at any given time, I don't get the major fuss.
2013: The year of much need buffs and not really needed nerfs.
- Updated The Sticky Jumper to only allow 2 active stickybombs at a time
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[QUOTE=TomatoFlakes;42217990]Seeing as how its intended use is to practice stickybomb jumping, and any more than 2 normal stickybombs is enough to kill you at any given time, I don't get the major fuss.[/QUOTE]
what if you're overhealed? what if you're ubercharged?
i say this was a very stupid decision anyway, people shouldn't be limited on how they sticky jump
if they're going to make it as a training weapon, it should be close to the original, not have -6 stickybombs out at once
[QUOTE=Dr. Ocsid;42218044]
what if you're overhealed?
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260 is max demo overheal under vanilla circumstances, 3 sticky explosions is enough to kill a normally fully healed heavy. If the blast doesn't kill you, the fall will.
[QUOTE=Dr. Ocsid;42218044]
what if you're ubercharged?
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Then your medic is really bad at picking a target if he chooses the guy who wants to shoot at the floor instead of at the enemy.
[QUOTE=TomatoFlakes;42218116]260 is max demo overheal under vanilla circumstances, 3 sticky explosions is enough to kill a normally fully healed heavy. If the blast doesn't kill you, the fall will.
Then your medic is really bad at picking a target if he chooses the guy who wants to shoot at the floor instead of at the enemy.[/QUOTE]
you're forgetting that explosions don't do near as much damage to yourself as to enemies
3 stickies would only do about 210 damage to you max, thus only killing you if the fall is very long
and for the second one, that's the medic's fault, not the sticky jumpers'.
"Hey guys I don't know what fun is, what jump maps are, and what overheal jump practice, outside-the-box tactics, and play-styles are."
[QUOTE=Dr. Ocsid;42218044]
if they're going to make it as a training weapon, it should be close to the original, not have -6 stickybombs out at once[/QUOTE]
Training to kill yourself with 3 stickies?
[QUOTE=Dr. Ocsid;42218142]you're forgetting that explosions don't do near as much damage to yourself as to enemies
3 stickies would only do about 210 damage to you max, thus only killing you if the fall is very long
and for the second one, that's the medic's fault, not the sticky jumpers'.[/QUOTE]
Least a sticky does to yourself at good jumping range (a.k.a. within 3 feet) is 95 per sticky. That's 285.
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[QUOTE=leetnoobify;42218164]Training to kill yourself with 3 stickies?[/QUOTE]
did you not read what i said in my last post
"what if you're overhealed? what if you're ubercharged?"
and also
"you're forgetting that explosions don't do near as much damage to yourself as to enemies
3 stickies would only do about 210 damage to you max, thus only killing you if the fall is very long"
[QUOTE=TomatoFlakes;42218190]Least a sticky does to yourself at good jumping range (a.k.a. within 3 feet) is 95 per sticky. That's 285.
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incorrect
if you look at this video here: [URL]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_zPwHaMxOI[/URL]
he jumps with two stickies at once and is left with 75 health
if it did 95 damage per sticky, both of those together would have done 190 damage and killed him
Perhaps this will lead to the end of all the new or uninformed players trying to kill people with the sticky jumper as well.
Their looks of horror as eight stickies detonate under my feet and as the smoke clears, I step out unscathed smack them with my shovel.
[QUOTE=Dr. Ocsid;42218193]if you look at this video here: [URL]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_zPwHaMxOI[/URL]
he jumps with two stickies at once and is left with 75 health
if it did 95 damage per sticky, both of those together would have done 190 damage and killed him[/QUOTE]
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Published on Dec 8, 2007
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Nothing has changed since then
I'm sorry, but you all are acting like a bunch of crybabies now. Sticky pogos are still doable and pretty much all areas in the game can be accessed with 2 stickies, unless you're trying to do a crazy jump across Thunder Mountain or Lakeside, which I'm pretty sure you can still do by pogoing. I'm not sure why Valve did this, but it's not as bad as you're making it out to be.
I have seen worse changes, but still, it sucks
[QUOTE=Manibogi;42218338]I'm sorry, but you all are acting like a bunch of crybabies now. Sticky pogos are still doable and pretty much all areas in the game can be accessed with 2 stickies, unless you're trying to do a crazy jump across Thunder Mountain or Lakeside, which I'm pretty sure you can still do by pogoing. I'm not sure why Valve did this, but it's not as bad as you're making it out to be.[/QUOTE]
you're forgetting custom maps
there are a lot of custom maps that had areas that could only be reached through sticky jumping
not to mention there are jump maps designed for more then 2 stickies to be out
my point is there was nothing wrong with the jumper in the first place
it was a downgrade but it was fun to use and now valve managed to fuck that up
tell me one problem there was with the sticky jumper before this nerf. there weren't any.
sure, you could get almost anywhere in the map, but you were also getting rid of demoman's most versatile and useful weapon
[QUOTE=Dr. Ocsid;42218193]
"what if you're overhealed? what if you're ubercharged?"
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Why would you stickyjump while ubered with 3 bombs, are you leaving your Medic behind?
Even if there was a quick fix Medic on you, I wouldn't be too confident jumping with only 215 health.
[QUOTE=Dr. Ocsid;42218193]
"you're forgetting that explosions don't do near as much damage to yourself as to enemies
3 stickies would only do about 210 damage to you max, thus only killing you if the fall is very long"[/QUOTE]
This only applies to you if you have a Medic healing you, which is a pretty special case. In fact, most of your arguments seem to be cherrypicked and you're using special cases to justify giving the Sticky Launcher more stickies out. No matter how you look at it, jumping with more than 3 stickies is not the optimal way to go about. Even more, fall damage is not calculated by height, but by velocity, so even if it isn't a long fall, your super fast propulsion powers would kill you if you landed without pro strafing. Although the Sticky Jumper is fun, its main purpose is to help people learn the basics of sticky jumping. Sticky jumping with 3 stickies, even if they're not for maximum damage, just isn't something you would normally practice even if you managed to get a Medic and calculate your fall.
[QUOTE=Dr. Ocsid;42218193]
tell me one problem there was with the sticky jumper before this nerf.
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demoman arriving at your spawn to instant kill you 2 seconds into the match
they
nerfed
my SJ
ok valve, at least let people with it get the fucking INTEL now.
orrrr
make people with it take no fall damage
Anything to make it still useful.
Ignoring things like custom maps and jump maps (using the sticky jumper on jump maps???), on those maps where sticky jumper play is usual, (i.e. Hightower, Harvest, Badwater, Thunder Mountain and that sandy Koth map) I've still been able to zoom from one spot to another with two stickies.
Really not seeing the anguish people are going through.
[QUOTE]- Fixed The Crusader's Crossbow healing teammates with The Equalizer or The Escape Plan deployed
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I'm not happy about this change along with the change to the stickyjumper.
no wonder they nerfed it, you can tell how many people abuse it just by reading this thread
what
no my crossbow
no longer can I get clutch heal saves on my escape plan soldier
New belt equip region.
Oh nice valve!
Just a question now, are you goin' to buff Bazaar Bargain?
[QUOTE]- Fixed The Expert's Ordnance, The Hibernating Bear, and The Medieval Medic item sets not listing their associated hats[/quote]
I like how they said this was fixed even though it's been 3 years
[QUOTE=g8mer;42218756]New belt equip region.[/QUOTE]
bullshit, valve would never touch equip regions
[QUOTE=Judas;42218850]bullshit, valve would never touch equip regions[/QUOTE]
I think you're confusing equip regions with bodygroups
[QUOTE]- Updated The Sticky Jumper to only allow 2 active stickybombs at a time[/QUOTE]
This is probably only going to affect Balloon Race and Jump servers. And may cause a rise in the number of Trolldiers. Yay, more flying target practice.
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:dance:
Edit: I wrote him a heartfelt thank you note. Though the TF2 team might be smaller, they're definitely more personable.
[quote=Valve] - Fixed The Crusader's Crossbow healing teammates with The Equalizer or The Escape Plan deployed[/quote]
That was a bug?... I feel like that's nitpicking, like what they did with making Sentries not attack Spies who get a backstab with the Eternal Reward.
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