[QUOTE=A B.A. Survivor;26923086]But having an item that doesn't affect gameplay will affect gameplay if used with those items.[/QUOTE]
Yet we said [b]hats[/b] won't affect gameplay, not a mix of weapons and hats
[QUOTE=PSI Guy;26922920]I kinda think a co-op raiding mode would be fun.[/QUOTE]
See? That's what I'm talking about. Whatever Valve does, I'm sure it's going to work out. Everybody complains about the latest change, but I honestly doubt half of the complainers would still be playing now if Valve hadn't started to mix things up. TF2 has lasted through the years because of what's being done to it. Some examples of multiplayer PC games from 2007 you probably don't still care about now:
Supreme Commander
Medal of Honor: Airborne & MoH: Heroes 2
Enemy Territory: Quake Wars
Hellgate: London
COD4: Modern Warfare
Kane and Lynch
Unreal Tournament 3
They really liked colons back then, didn't they... The point is, Valve knows what they're doing.
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[QUOTE=Benstokes;26923117]See? That's what I'm talking about. Whatever Valve does, I'm sure it's going to work out. Everybody complains about the latest change, but I honestly doubt half of the complainers would still be playing now if Valve hadn't started to mix things up. TF2 has lasted through the years because of what's being done to it. Some examples of multiplayer PC games from 2007 you probably don't still care about now:
Supreme Commander
Medal of Honor: Airborne & MoH Heroes 2
Enemy Territory: Quake Wars
Hellgate: London
COD4: Modern Warfare
Kane and Lynch
Unreal Tournament 3
They really liked colons back then, didn't they...[/QUOTE]
To be honest I dont think I ever cared for those
[QUOTE=Benstokes;26923117]See? That's what I'm talking about. Whatever Valve does, I'm sure it's going to work out. Everybody complains about the latest change, but I honestly doubt half of the complainers would still be playing now if Valve hadn't started to mix things up. TF2 has lasted through the years because of what's being done to it. Some examples of multiplayer PC games from 2007 you probably don't still care about now:
Supreme Commander
Medal of Honor: Airborne & MoH Heroes 2
Enemy Territory: Quake Wars
Hellgate: London
COD4: Modern Warfare
Kane and Lynch
Unreal Tournament 3
They really liked colons back then, didn't they...[/QUOTE]
People still play UT3, MW, and MOH. CS:S is also going to strong without updates.
The sets aren't very good anyway, the sniper rifle has no headshots which sucks for most people, the Degreaser is much better with the Axtinguisher, nobody uses L'Étranger and the Soldier is better off with a Shotgun and one more rocket unless there's no Medic around. In which case he shouldn't go off with a support secondary anyway.
The Scout set is the only one that seems useful/overpowered to me, I prefer the pistol and Scattergun but I can see how it could be useful.
[QUOTE=VenomousBeetle;26923112]Yet we said [b]hats[/b] won't affect gameplay, not a mix of weapons and hats[/QUOTE]
this is almost like saying your cereal does not have raisins in it, it has a mixture of raisins and flakes :v:
you're being too technical
[QUOTE=VenomousBeetle;26923112]Yet we said [b]hats[/b] won't affect gameplay, not a mix of weapons and hats[/QUOTE]What?
That's like saying that ammo pickups won't affect gameplay, because you need to use them in combination with guns or wrenches to cause a difference.
[QUOTE=Tabarnaco;26923140]The sets aren't very good anyway, the sniper rifle has no headshots which sucks for most people, the Degreaser is much better with the Axtinguisher, nobody uses L'Étranger and the Soldier is better off with a Shotgun and one more rocket unless there's no Medic around. In which case he shouldn't go off with a support secondary anyway.[/QUOTE]
I have always wanted the backup to disappear
[QUOTE=TraderRager;26923099]ohh, this could actaully be pretty cool
Minigun + Harvestine =
Harvestine Minigun -
-50% ammo
+On Hit: Regenerate Ammo[/QUOTE]
Oh God I would love this
[QUOTE=Wootman;26923139]People still play UT3, MW, and MOH. CS:S is also going to strong without updates.[/QUOTE]
Of course they do, but you can't argue that they're as significant as TF2 at this time. And CSS has always been a "those who like it, like it a lot" sort of deal, that's why it wasn't on the list.
[QUOTE=Keychain;26923145]this is almost like saying your cereal does not have raisins in it, it has a mixture of raisins and flakes :v:
you're being too technical[/QUOTE]
How is it saying raisins and flakes, we were talking about hats only.
thus meaning, there are no flakes :aaa:
[QUOTE=Wootman;26923139]People still play UT3, MW, and MOH. CS:S is also going to strong without updates.[/QUOTE]
How many people still play those, though?
A vast majority of MW players have moved on, UT3 STILL isn't as popular at UT 2K4.
And MOH: Airborne isn't even worth talking about.
[QUOTE=Pennywise;26923147]What?
That's like saying that ammo pickups won't affect gameplay, because you need to use them in combination with guns or wrenches to cause a difference.[/QUOTE]
Now that you mention it ammo pickups just sit there
[QUOTE=VenomousBeetle;26923167]How is it saying raisins and flakes, we were talking about hats only.
thus meaning, there are no flakes :aaa:[/QUOTE]
flakes in this case, are the weapons
weapons and cosmetic items are to tf2 like flakes and raisins are to raisin bran
[QUOTE=TraderRager;26923168]How many people still play those, though?
A vast majority of MW players have moved on, UT3 STILL isn't as popular at UT 2K4.
And MOH: Airborne isn't even worth talking about.[/QUOTE]
MW1 and UT3 had a Steam sale so that probably gained lots of new people.
[QUOTE=VenomousBeetle;26923183]Now that you mention it ammo pickups just sit there[/QUOTE]
Stupid resupply cabinet.
It should follow me around.
[QUOTE=Keychain;26923190]flakes in this case, are the weapons
weapons and cosmetic items are to tf2 like flakes and raisins are to raisin bran[/QUOTE]
But... I don't like raisin bran :smith:
[QUOTE=VenomousBeetle;26923205]But... I don't like raisin bran :smith:[/QUOTE]
me neither but still, the polycount hats contribute to the gameplay
[QUOTE=Keychain;26923190]flakes in this case, are the weapons
weapons and cosmetic items are to tf2 like flakes and raisins are to raisin bran[/QUOTE]
The new sets don't require hats [i]anyway[/i], so your argument doesn't really apply anymore. I really don't think that people without set hats are at a particular disadvantage compared to those who have those sets.
The old set hats are easy enough to acquire at this point.
Well I can't wait to make the Brass Beast somewhat useful.
I can see this being either really cool or really bad. THEY BETTER PUT IT IN THE DAMN BETA FIRST.
[QUOTE=Keychain;26923219]me neither but still, the polycount hats contribute to the gameplay[/QUOTE]
As long as I'm getting technical, I thought we argued you don't need unlockables to play properly :v:
[QUOTE=JaxJesse315;26922839]The only thing we can be in agreement about;
[B]IT WILL PROBABLY COST MONEY.[/B][/QUOTE]
So far the ONLY element that is REQUIRED to be paid for is opening crates. And that doesn't even matter since 1) crates don't count toward your weekly drop cap and 2) any gameplay-affecting items in crates can also be obtained in-game through regular play.
Everything else can be obtained in-game through regular play. Paying for anything beyond the initial game purchase is COMPLETELY OPTIONAL and there's no way Valve would change that now, especially since this is clearly a game mechanic that affects gameplay.
[QUOTE=Murdoco;26923235]I can see this being either really cool or really bad. THEY BETTER PUT IT IN THE DAMN BETA FIRST.[/QUOTE]
Release first, test later.
[QUOTE=Tabarnaco;26923261]Release first, test later.[/QUOTE]
Tried and true.
[QUOTE=mescool15;26923228]Well I can't wait to make the Brass Beast somewhat useful.[/QUOTE]
It's actually pretty useful now... Just pretend you're a sentry gun with longer range and watch the bodies pile up.
[QUOTE=VenomousBeetle;26923205]But... I don't like raisin bran :smith:[/QUOTE]
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-9HuQZ7kkI[/media]
[QUOTE=Tabarnaco;26923224]The new sets don't require hats [i]anyway[/i], so your argument doesn't really apply anymore. I really don't think that people without set hats are at a particular disadvantage compared to those who have those sets.[/QUOTE]
There's a reason why I brought up the old set hats and not the new ones, you know. Even if the set bonuses are balanced, they still affect gameplay no matter how you look at it.
Mainly Croc and Saharan sets.
[QUOTE=Mercz37;26923288] [URL="http://www.facepunch.com/"]View YouTUBE video[/URL]
[URL]http://youtube.com/watch?v=A-9HuQZ7kkI[/URL]
[/QUOTE]
Crap... link doesn't work.
[QUOTE=Keychain;26923323]There's a reason why I brought up the old set hats and not the new ones, you know. Even if the set bonuses are balanced, they still affect gameplay no matter how you look at it.
Mainly Croc and Saharan sets.[/QUOTE]
You bought stuff separately?
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