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To be textured by SedimentarySocks.
[QUOTE=Vipes;44695189]We did, and it was settled as if the item is a reference, and artistic liberties, it is alright, I believe?
Examples, Team Captain, Deep Cover Operator, Cold Killer.
[t]http://wiki.teamfortress.com/w/images/2/29/RED_Team_Captain_Soldier.png?t=20120809214644[/t] [t]http://wiki.teamfortress.com/w/images/9/9d/RED_Deep_Cover_Operator.png?t=20140212225405[/t] [t]http://wiki.teamfortress.com/w/images/1/11/Painted_Cold_Killer_UNPAINTED.png?t=20130319063807[/t][/QUOTE]
Did Street Fighter invent peaked caps? No
Did Metal Gear invent bandannas? No
Did GI Joe to invent snow gear? No
i'm tired of hearing the "this thing is a reference so mine can be too!" excuse, if its a blatant-as-fuck reference with no design change attempts then its not okay.
[QUOTE=ElderLolz;44695904]Guys, quick thing
I was playing around with SFM and I got used to everything and all (except for animating, I'm horrible at that) and I was wondering if anyone is interested in me doing some promo images for their workshop items. Just add me on steam and tell me the details and I will try my best to make a promo shot.[/QUOTE]
Show some samples, it helps.
Don't see how this is dumb, I'm trying to help the guy out
[QUOTE=gigazelle;44695574]You've got base colors, but nowhere near being close to finishing the texture.
Try decompiling the textures of weapons in the game; look particularly at brush strokes, edge wear, and phong masks.[/QUOTE]
This is not engine render.
[t]http://i.imgur.com/jFu9Jaq.png[/t]
[t]http://i.imgur.com/sOiS4Xw.png[/t]
[t]http://i.imgur.com/SuwGySE.png[/t]
Lol. Nothing changed =D
[QUOTE=kibbleknight;44695959]Did Street Fighter invent peaked caps? No
Did Metal Gear invent bandannas? No
Did GI Joe to invent snow gear? No
i'm tired of hearing the "this thing is a reference so mine can be too!" excuse, if its a blatant-as-fuck reference with no design change attempts then its not okay.[/QUOTE]
No, Street Fighter did not, no Metal Gear did not. And no GI Joe did not. But to deny each one is a reference is just silly. If you want to go by design change, TC changed the skull to a set of wings, Deep Cover changed the bandana to have a camo pattern, and Cold Killer changed the goggle color. If you can look at something, and tell exactly what it references, then well, yeah.
I wasn't even going to use them as an excuse, InfectedPotato brought up the copyrighted items thing. I even showed people my item, and they didn't even know what it was referencing until I directly told them. That either means I did a shitty job on the item, or it's distinct enough.
And to add to your point, did GI Joe invent helmets, no.
I have made original work, even posted a few. Is any on the workshop currently, no. Will they be, yes. I just have more fun, and more willing to work on something I like.
[QUOTE=Vipes;44696139]No, Street Fighter did not, no Metal Gear did not. And no GI Joe did not. But to deny each one is a reference is just silly. If you want to go by design change, TC changed the skull to a set of wings, Deep Cover changed the bandana to have a camo pattern, and Cold Killer changed the goggle color. If you can look at something, and tell exactly what it references, then well, yeah.
I wasn't even going to use them as an excuse, InfectedPotato brought up the copyrighted items thing. I even showed people my item, and they didn't even know what it was referencing until I directly told them. That either means I did a shitty job on the item, or it's distinct enough.
And to add to your point, did GI Joe invent helmets, no.
I have made original work, even posted a few. Is any on the workshop currently, no. Will they be, yes. I just have more fun, and more willing to work on something I like.[/QUOTE]
Regardless of them being references or not they work in or out of the situation, because none are they direct copies. Your problem is you wanted to make a cobra helmet, and you did that. you didn't change color scheme or the like its just a cobra helmet with a pyro logo slapped on.
So to refute:
Did GI Joe invent helmets? no
Did GI Joe invent Cobra Commander's Helmet? Yes, its a copyrighted character.
[QUOTE=kibbleknight;44696185]Regardless of them being references or not they work in or out of the situation, because none are they direct copies. Your problem is you wanted to make a cobra helmet, and you did that. you didn't change color scheme or the like its just a cobra helmet.
So to refute:
Did GI Joe invent helmets? no
Did GI Joe invent Cobra Commander's Helmet? Yes, its a copyrighted character.[/QUOTE]
If you actually look at pictures of the two helmets, the shape itself is different. In the cartoon, it's pretty much a blue, metal, bowl cut. The toys and comics give it a more Vader like look or base it off of a German helmet. Mine however is somewhere in the middle. The insignia, if it even has one depending on the media, has one, is below the stripe. And no design ends the stripe to a point.
As for colors, the picture was taken on the BLU team. So yes, it's going to be blue. I tried without a stripe, it looked too plain. I tried the teamcolor yellow/orange on it too and it came out horrible.
As for the face, it's just a HazMat. I wasn't going to make a metal face.
[QUOTE=Vipes;44696260]If you actually look at pictures of the two helmets, the shape itself is different. In the cartoon, it's pretty much a blue, metal, bowl cut. The toys and comics give it a more Vader like look or base it off of a German helmet. Mine however is somewhere in the middle. The insignia, if it even has one depending on the media, has one, is below the stripe. And no design ends the stripe to a point.
As for colors, the picture was taken on the BLU team. So yes, it's going to be blue. I tried without a stripe, it looked too plain. I tried the teamcolor yellow/orange on it too and it came out horrible.
As for the face, it's just a HazMat. I wasn't going to make a metal face.[/QUOTE][IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/1779351253/0078.png[/IMG]
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I can't see the difference.
[QUOTE=Flubbman;44696290][IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/1779351253/0078.png[/IMG]
[IMG]http://puu.sh/8v4oJ.jpg[/IMG]
I can't see the difference.[/QUOTE]
I can name one plain as day. Look at the helmet's length for the bottom part. His comes down to his neck. Mine goes just past the ears. I'm surprised it's not being called out as an edited Stahlhelm/Surgeon's Stahlhelm. Not that it is.
[t]http://cloud-2.steampowered.com/ugc/615049894197716909/C2E1850726534292E7B5C96A5AB69255610333E0/[/t]
[t]http://quietroomentertainment.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/commander.jpg[/t]
[QUOTE=ElderLolz;44696388]Still, it's not that much of a difference, there need to be more visual differences[/QUOTE]
If you do a full 360 of my model, and of a Cobra Commander helmet, you'll see more differences.
However as stated, worse that can happen is that it gets taken down due to copyright, but will stay as a mod. So why does this even matter? The TF2 Emporium is for both mods, and workshop submissions. This conversation should have never happened for either parties. So what if I'm in the wrong. So what if I'm not. Point is we're making a big deal out of nothing. A bundle of pixels for a game.
[QUOTE=ElderLolz;44696171]
[t]http://cloud-3.steampowered.com/ugc/433779369709324361/46A4CAD24D146A0A254689C4E4A83A0AF87106CA/[/t]
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someone should make those heads new head gibs.
even slight differences aren't enough, it needs to be a lot more different.
suggestions like changing the number of stripes, the color scheme, or even adding helmet straps would help further the cause.
[QUOTE=kibbleknight;44696654]even slight differences aren't enough, it needs to be a lot more different.
suggestions like changing the number of stripes, the color scheme, or even adding helmet straps would help further the cause.[/QUOTE]
I suppose I could make it have two stripes run down the middle. The color scheme will have to stay though, and adding helmet straps would just make people think it's a stolen Stahlhelm.
[t]http://wiki.teamfortress.com/w/images/c/c8/Capo%27s_Capper.png?t=20111121181225[/t]
As for slight, well, we're just going to be going in circles.
don't use other people's mistakes to justify your own.
In regards to the Cremating Commander, I think it has plenty of room within the TF2 item library. Firstly, many of you have brought up the issue of copyright, and whether or not this would invalidate the item. Well, I think that considering the number of items that were made as references while in the Workshop that mad it into the game, this certainly has a fair shot. For example, look below at the two images. Quite similar, no?
[IMG]http://www.japanator.com/elephant/ul/20491-620x-kaneda.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://wiki.teamfortress.com/w/images/f/f8/Flapjack.png?t=20131215192344[/IMG]
The jacket was made as a reference to the one worn by Akira protagonist, Kaneda, however it was still accepted into the game. It could be argued that Akira didn't invent this style of jacket, but it was contributed to the workshop under a name referencing the film. Furthermore, there are other pieces that don't even hide the reference, such as the Familiar Fez, a direct reference to Austin Powers character, Mustafa.
[IMG]http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_7ZckZ-8naz0/TE9ucRwmQDI/AAAAAAAADY4/soh3lpSMcEc/s1600/3+times.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://wiki.teamfortress.com/w/images/b/b3/Familiar_Fez.png?t=20120124002257[/IMG]
The publicity blurb for the initial release of the item even used a reference to a gag in the film. "It doesn't take a line of three-question-format reasoning to realize the sheer superiority of your headgear." This is a reference to the fact that in the film, Mustafa couldn't stand being asked the same question three times, upon which he would answer what was being asked, regardless of how defiant he was before. Furthermore, the helmet does not feature the reflective mask of Cobra Commander, making it more difficult to spot the reference directly, similar to the Flapjack which does not have the pill logo on the back. The point is, copyright CAN hold some weight on the validity of an item, but the argument is not concrete, as we have several items that contradict the notion that references are not allowed.
[QUOTE=kibbleknight;44696727]don't use other people's mistakes to justify your own.[/QUOTE]
How? I'm just saying I don't want to be involved in another theft claim. Again.
[QUOTE=Genis94;44696768]-snop-[/QUOTE]
references are allowed, but not blatant plagiarism, as you said akira's jacket was based off of an existing type of jacket, and it also isn't a direct copy of it either, and the familiar fez is as it is, just a fez.
From my understanding there isn't a helmet that looks exactly like that in real life unless it was made to be for the character either in merchandise or costumes.
[QUOTE=Vipes;44696771]How? I'm just saying I don't want to be involved in another theft claim. Again.[/QUOTE]
if your afraid of theft then make it more different, as it stands it looks like a design stolen straight from gi joe, if your afraid of it looking similar to another in-game hat, do even more to it.
[QUOTE=kibbleknight;44696819]references are allowed, but not blatant plagiarism, as you said akira's jacket was based off of an existing type of jacket, and it also isn't a direct copy of it either, and the familiar fez is as it is, just a fez.
From my understanding there isn't a helmet that looks exactly like that in real life unless it was made to be for the character either in merchandise or costumes.
if your afraid of theft then make it more different, as it stands it looks like a design stolen straight from gi joe, if your afraid of it looking similar to another in-game hat, do even more to it.[/QUOTE]
I guess you don't know the kind of theft I was talking about. The one I was constantly harassed for, among other things. Even after it was proven I "stole from myself" it still didn't end it.
[QUOTE=Vipes;44696872]I guess you don't know the kind of theft I was talking about. The one I was constantly harassed for, among other things. Even after it was proven I "stole from myself" it still didn't end it.[/QUOTE]
the community of the workshop isn't the smartest most of the time, a decent example would be Ertz and I's High Noon sniper rifle, people constantly harass me that we stole it from metro 2033, despite looking nothing like each other. Ignore the workshop comments, they are a bunch of idiots. you should however listen to people of the emporium as most of them usually know what they are doing.
[QUOTE=kibbleknight;44696819]references are allowed, but not blatant plagiarism, as you said akira's jacket was based off of an existing type of jacket, and it also isn't a direct copy of it either, and the familiar fez is as it is, just a fez.
From my understanding there isn't a helmet that looks exactly like that in real life unless it was made to be for the character either in merchandise or costumes[/QUOTE]
Actually, it does have a real world counterpart. Look at a German WWII helmet. Note the rear of the helmet is longer than the front.
[IMG]http://www.aurorahistoryboutique.com/products/C000673_L.jpg[/IMG]
The design is quite similar, the only difference being the paint.
Also, you stated that the Familiar Fez was just a fez, but the addition of the sunglasses, the publicity blurb and even the name make it a glaring reference to Austin Powers. Here's a quote from the movie.
"Do you remember me, Austin Powers?"
"Can't say I remember your name, but your... Fez is familiar."
The same goes for the Team Captain, which references the famous "Yes! Yes!" meme from the Street Fighter cartoon. The design is SIMILAR to Bison's hat, the only difference being that the crest is not a skull. Oh, and if you need a citation on the publicity blurb, here's the clip from Austin Powers.
[video=youtube;AmFSW6p94rg]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AmFSW6p94rg[/video]
i had said references are allowed, not blatant plagiarism. regardless of it being a reference, its literally just a fez and sunglasses, and the team captain is just a peaked cap, you cant copyright that. Publicity blurb, description, or the like, just because the descriptions are references doesn't make the item a cause of plagiarism. Thats because its different enough from what it is referencing. the helmet is a different story because he isn't basing it off the actual helmet, its literally cobra commander's helmet.
The Cobra helmet doesn't matter how much it looks like the source quit being ridiculous. It does, however, not look very good and is a very shallow concept revolving solely around the reference
In the case of the fez publicity, taking some lines from a movie isn't necessarily copyright unless it's a large text block directly taken from the movie, and you can just say that it's just a fez+glasses. As for your hat, just try adding features to make it different, right now it feels like a bit of a blob, and more details/better textures and smoothing could go a long way to making it look better and making it less copyrighted I guess.
Tbh just let him make what he wants, the model/texture still needs some work imo
Gosh all these useless copyright convos gotta stop
[QUOTE=kibbleknight;44697012]i had said references are allowed, not blatant plagiarism. regardless of it being a reference, its literally just a fez and sunglasses, you cant copyright that. the helmet is a different story because he isn't basing it off the actual helmet, its literally cobra commander's helmet.[/QUOTE]
Well, by your logic of the Familiar Fez just being a fez, the Cremating Commander is just a helmet. It does not contain the faceplate that is signature to Cobra Commander, and I doubt that they have a copyright on the helmet alone, as the design is based off of a Stahlhelm.
Edit: Sorry for the long series of replies, everyone. I simply thought that there was room for an argument. I've made my point, so no more copyright drama replies from me.
the worst that can happen is Valve don't add it... so I don't know why you've all got your panties in such a bunch. who cares?
[QUOTE=NeoDement;44697086]the worst that can happen is Valve don't add it... so I don't know why you've all got your panties in such a bunch. who cares?[/QUOTE]
That's what I've been trying to say, but it keeps getting dragged on even though I said exactly that, three times.
Jesus, I really can't see why the discussion is getting to this point. The helmet doesn't look like it. The stripe has more of an arrow shape, the helmet shape itself is different. You guys are discussing over nothing. Copyright infrigiment or not will be up to Valve anyways, so why discuss? Like someone said previously, if Valve thinks it's copyright infrigiment, at least we get it as a mod. Discussing it over and over will just slow down the guy at doing the item and it'll solve nothing at all.
C'mon guys, you're better than that.
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Aaaand of course Kibble disagrees. Why I'm not surprised?
[QUOTE=Inspecter;44696620]someone should make those heads new head gibs.[/QUOTE]
You mean this? [url]http://tf2.gamebanana.com/skins/130585[/url]
[QUOTE=Sparkwire;44688921][B]The 30lb Fists[/B]
[URL="http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=254734226"][img]http://cloud-4.steampowered.com/ugc/3299195272067415542/897D907F08B484036DE2E6EF87E51242AAC3E58F/637x358.resizedimage[/img][/URL]
[URL="http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=254734226"][img]http://cloud-4.steampowered.com/ugc/3299195272067415920/A182DBE47C28548000BA84B545D954AE54630856/637x358.resizedimage[/img][/URL]
Float like a butterfly, sting like a bus.
[video=youtube;-OyPdssUNxtI]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OyPdssUNxtI[/video]
Made a melee to go with The 3lb Trigger, the pistol is coming soon :)
[URL="http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=254734226"]Go check it out in the workshop![/URL][/QUOTE]
Is there a way to get this to work with mechatheslag's punching mod? Cause I think those animations would be perfect to go with these.
[video=youtube;wHJbvPHPljY]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wHJbvPHPljY#t=11[/video]
[QUOTE=KillerKo4565;44697142]You mean this? [url]http://tf2.gamebanana.com/skins/130585[/url][/QUOTE]
Its missing the Scout's head and the fence heads are slightly bigger than the head in the image.
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