Major Update Speculation XXVI: Much Ado About Nothing - Games

[QUOTE=*Freezorg*;48099238]I'm not up to speed. What does c_model mean? I wasn't even aware of anything other than v_model and w_model[/QUOTE] to spare you the long version, c_models pretty much downgrade the guns in your view and permanently make them use low-poly variants for some fantasy, nonsensical reason.

This is like a whole different game now, and I don't know if I want that.

[QUOTE=Hell-met;48099258]to spare you the long version, c_models pretty much downgrade the guns in your view and permanently make them use low-poly variants for some fantasy, nonsensical reason.[/QUOTE] Oh? I did a google search and though it just meant you can now have different hands models to hold the same gun.

[QUOTE=Hell-met;48099258]to spare you the long version, c_models pretty much downgrade the guns in your view and permanently make them use low-poly variants for some fantasy, nonsensical reason.[/QUOTE] because making a new model is hard sapper says hi though

[QUOTE=*Freezorg*;48099271]Oh? I did a google search and though it just meant you can now have different hands models to hold the same gun.[/QUOTE] well yeah that's the intended use for games such as left4dead and counter-strike in tf2 the arms/guns all have their unique animations so it doesn't even apply in our case.

[QUOTE=Snowshoe;48099252]It's only $5 though[/QUOTE] $5.99 = $6

[QUOTE=Hell-met;48099258]to spare you the long version, c_models pretty much downgrade the guns in your view and permanently make them use low-poly variants for some fantasy, nonsensical reason.[/QUOTE] That's not really true, c_ models have the same potential for detail as v_. It's just valve are lazy and used the w_ models for bases and therefore the quality bar dropped. Valve just being lazy as usual.

[QUOTE=Sexy Robot;48098999][IMG]http://sexyrobot.co.uk/gallery/2015-07-02_02-34-42.png[/IMG] Valve [B]pls.[/B][/QUOTE] From, what i can see... 1 new flamethrower (looks like the afterburner community made weapon.) 1 new scattergun (maybe shotgun its hard to tell.) 1 new demo-sticky launcher (it kinda looks like the quickiebomb laucher.) Just my speculation

[QUOTE=Sexy Robot;48099285]That's not really true, c_ models have the same potential for detail as v_. It's just valve are lazy and used the w_ models for bases and therefore the quality bar dropped. Valve just being lazy as usual.[/QUOTE] The w_model as a base? Really... but... the rocket launcher w_model is fucking awful. Noticeably more awful than most w_models.

[QUOTE=facepunched8;48099291]From, what i can see... 1 new flamethrower (could be a rocket launcher too. Really hard to tell.) 1 new scattergun (maybe shotgun its hard to tell.) 1 new demo-sticky launcher (it kinda looks like the quickiebomb laucher.) I think behind the thing that looks like a new scatter gun, is a new mini-gun. Just my speculation[/QUOTE] that's the afterburner flame thrower isnt it....

[QUOTE=Sexy Robot;48099285]That's not really true, c_ models have the same potential for detail as v_. It's just valve are lazy and used the w_ models for bases and therefore the quality bar dropped.[/QUOTE] ah. well I didn't know that. more reasons to face plant into my desk now.

[QUOTE=facepunched8;48099291]From, what i can see... 1 new flamethrower (look at the white propane tank.) 1 new scattergun (maybe shotgun its hard to tell.) 1 new demo-sticky launcher (it kinda looks like the quickiebomb laucher.) I think behind the thing that looks like a new scatter gun, is a new mini-gun. If you look torwards the bottom left of it, there is what looks like minigun ammo hanging down. Just my speculation[/QUOTE] TBH that weapon behind the scattergun looks like this [IMG]http://images.akamai.steamusercontent.com/ugc/595853876589860365/A526FB795EEFF8D8D9C609D2BB143C7AC78C703B/[/IMG] The "ammo belt" is actually the hose and you can see the tip of the gun looks similar to the one in the image I posted. Here's a link to the weapon btw: [url]http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=93466319[/url]

I wonder if the potted plant had something to do with this.

plus what i think is the best way of doing things is make lod0 as high quality as a viewmodel then just use lod1 and down for the world only

I only have half a season of UGC Platinum so I shouldn't really talk like I know what I'm talking about but, if all weapons were unbanned and a match was played right now nothing much will be changed. Pomson should still be banned though because as long as 1% uber is drained per shot it will still be overpowered, and engie will merge as a combo class. Spy hasn't really been nerfed or buffed. DR Ambassador is still good, and normal spy is more attractive to spy mains with the cloak changes. Engineer seems to weaker, unfortunately considering it's the weakest class by far. Mini-Sentries nerfed. Wrangled Mini-Sentries some-what buffed? You can repair as they are wranged but wrangler cuts repair time. (with repair changes) Ninja Sentries now viable with Jag? I can definitly see more aggressive level 2's being seen in place of mini sentries. Demoknight same situation, but expect to see booties used with sticky launcher just for extra speed and the health. Loch and Load (if unbanned) might be used as much as grenade launcher. It's a lot easier to use than grenade launcher but if you have good pipes as it is grenade launcher still seems to be on top. Natasha gonna be used way more, brass beast probably not. Weapon pick up, might make the game more dynamic and unpredictable. Scenarios where spies swap watches on dead spies to juke the enemy team but that stuff can be called. Let's just hope you cant swap uber percentages. My team and I are all really excited for this and seems to be the case with other players of the comp community

[QUOTE=Voltey;48099334]TBH that weapon behind the scattergun looks like this [IMG]http://images.akamai.steamusercontent.com/ugc/595853876589860365/A526FB795EEFF8D8D9C609D2BB143C7AC78C703B/[/IMG] The "ammo belt" is actually the hose and you can see the tip of the gun looks similar to the one in the image I posted[/QUOTE] Yeah your right cool. Man, i hope they add it. I dont like being teased.

Can't say I care about some of the weapon reworks. But hey I'm grateful it's something.

[QUOTE=Feroaffer;48099343]Weapon pick up, might make the game more dynamic and unpredictable. Scenarios where spies swap watches on dead spies to juke the enemy team but that stuff can be called. Let's just hope you cant swap uber percentages. [/QUOTE] i'd imagine you can only swap for the weapon that they drop when they die, which wouldn't include watches

[QUOTE=facepunched8;48099291]From, what i can see... 1 new flamethrower ([B]looks like the afterburner community made weapon.[/B]) Just my speculation[/QUOTE] Dang, you beat me to it.

[QUOTE=facepunched8;48099354]Yeah your right cool. Man, i hope they add it. I dont like being teased.[/QUOTE] Well if its in the background of the update page it's probably a teaser which means it may be released in a future update unless scraped

[IMG]http://www.freeonlinephotoeditor.com/tmp/img-55949fd8cb809/step0003.png?1435803754245[/IMG] See anything interesting fellas?

I love how smug the Heavy looks in the balance change picture.

Wow, these changes are everything people have been begging for. They're actually listening A lot of these changes are basically things have been suggested in the weapon fixing megathread time and time again

[QUOTE=Gentleman Cat;48099383]I love how smug the Heavy looks in the balance change picture.[/QUOTE] [t]http://i.imgur.com/34MLv8N.png[/t] [URL="https://wiki.teamfortress.com/w/images/f/fd/Heavy_mvm_get_upgrade04.wav?t=20120817123052"]Da, this vill help.[/URL]

[QUOTE=Aldawolf;48099385]Wow, these changes are everything people have been begging for. They're actually listening A lot of these changes are basically things have been suggested in the weapon fixing megathread time and time again[/QUOTE] Surprised to see them tackle the DR and Spy-cicle, but not the Degreaser which I'm more than sure has earned more complaints than either of those combined.

[QUOTE=Razi The Red;48099419]Surprised to see them tackle the DR and Spy-cicle, but not the Degreaser which I'm more than sure has earned more complaints than either of those combined.[/QUOTE] I wish they did something about the CM5K though.

[QUOTE=Jboby1;48099411][t]http://i.imgur.com/34MLv8N.png[/t] [URL="https://wiki.teamfortress.com/w/images/f/fd/Heavy_mvm_get_upgrade04.wav?t=20120817123052"]Da, this vill help.[/URL][/QUOTE] He's actually holding up his side of the scales with a finger, probably a comment on how much balancing Heavy needed. [t] http://puu.sh/iKc6V/56e1ac72de.png [/t]

Engineer is all over the place I can't read it. Will have to try and see, especially gunslinger. Sounds like minis are level 1s now.

no new paint jobs for wrench? cry

yeah, big fan of the spy-cicle and DR nerfs, dont know how the minisentry changes are gonna work