TF2 Blog: "Scream Fortress Is Coming Soon! Let's Talk About Gifts" - Games

[QUOTE=Mort Stroodle;46349165]But the last breath is a mask, so it still stands. A mechanical mask is still a mask.[/QUOTE] How so? Did you personally ask the item creator if it's a mask and not just a scary skull head for Pyro? Either way, why does it matter? There are clearly items that aren't just masks for the Pyro's head, and assuming it's anything other than the Pyro, such as a human, is missing the point of the character.

IMO the Rusty Reaper is a new bot head altogether. I mean look at the neck on that thing...that looks really thin to me...and I'm pretty sure it was taken directly from the bot Pyros heads and given another filter thing on the side and made paintable.

[QUOTE=Rajikaru;46349174]How so? Did you personally ask the item creator if it's a mask and not just a scary skull head for Pyro? Either way, why does it matter? There are clearly items that aren't just masks for the Pyro's head, and assuming it's anything other than the Pyro, such as a human, is missing the point of the character.[/QUOTE] I always interpreted boogaloo items as parts of the robots that the mercs found on the battlefield and wore because they liked how they looked. I don't see why an item should be considered canon breaking when there's a simpler explanation. [editline]27th October 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Rajikaru;46349174]How so? Did you personally ask the item creator if it's a mask and not just a scary skull head for Pyro? Either way, why does it matter? There are clearly items that aren't just masks for the Pyro's head, and assuming it's anything other than the Pyro, such as a human, is missing the point of the character.[/QUOTE] The point of the character is ambiguity, not inconsistency. Outright showing that he's a robot at any point and ruling out the possibility of being a human completely ruins the point imo.

[QUOTE=Mort Stroodle;46348138][IMG]https://steamcdn-a.akamaihd.net/steam/news/14798/crystalballgifts.jpg[/IMG] Mannequin/fortune teller machine/puppet boss?[/QUOTE] What do you reckon is behind the ball? I suppose common sense just says indistinguishable cloth, but it's so close to looking like something. Darn.

the problem last year was and always will be people feeling like they need to submit non-halloweeny items for halloween. chinese soldier could've easily gotten in later and they decided not to do that. this year people understand the idea of "everything is restricted so go all out" so it should work fine. i would like them to revisit the few, non-halloweeny restricted items and rerelease them somehow without disturbing their value. or whatever.

[QUOTE=PSI Guy;46349299]the problem last year was and always will be people feeling like they need to submit non-halloweeny items for halloween. chinese soldier could've easily gotten in later and they decided not to do that. this year people understand the idea of "everything is restricted so go all out" so it should work fine. i would like them to revisit the few, non-halloweeny restricted items and rerelease them somehow without disturbing their value. or whatever.[/QUOTE] A big issue is last year was the year the tag went into play and it was super tempting to people who had previous items up for several months go unnoticed. Valve never cared to add them so the contributors were pressured to go for halloween because they thought it would never get in, which is depressing but sometimes very true because some pyro heads sat on the workshop for years and were instantly added for halloween (despite being vaguely halloweeny)

What are the chances of getting new weapons this update? My backpack is nearly full of spares I've been hoarding all month.

[QUOTE=StormriderShift;46349513]What are the chances of getting new weapons this update? My backpack is nearly full of spares I've been hoarding all month.[/QUOTE] Seems unlikely, and really unlikely to get anything that isn't a reskin. Would love to see this as a conch/banner/backup reskin though [URL="http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=322306699&searchtext="]http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=322306699&searchtext=[/URL]

My 3 cents... I dislike restrictions but I think the idea of "halloween maps are halloween all the time" makes more sense. The enterween seems like a reasonable expectation for regular maps, and if you don't like halloween why would you be on Ghost Fort or Helltower? I'm concerned about the gift comments. Aside from the math, my gift farming plays no role in someone else's ability to get a gift especially if they're playing the game normally and I'm on a farming server. What affects that person's gift getting is if I join that server, see gift spawn, ignore all objectives, get the gift, then leave. Which is what you get when you can't easily farm the gifts. On maps like Viaduct and mann manor this is especially common and in the old way of doing things when it was a free for all, _everyone_ stopped what they were doing to get the gift and it affected gameplay significantly. I just don't buy that the gift farm maps affect game play in any manner.

[QUOTE=igotopinions;46349275]What do you reckon is behind the ball? I suppose common sense just says indistinguishable cloth, but it's so close to looking like something. Darn.[/QUOTE] I looked at it pretty in depth and it "kinda" looks like Pyros suspenders to me. As for that being Pyros ungloved hands...who knows.

I'd actually love to fight the witch from the cover of Casters Quarterly as a boss.

I'm no expert, but using the digit ratio theory this person/puppet/whateverthehell is probably female (however this appears to be some art, not an actual model so it might be different than in game). Supporting this theory, the thingy is using a crystal ball which are commonly used by gypsies and fortune tellers, who are almost entirely female. I think this will be some kind of witch or possessed puppet and will have MIRISMUS involved.

The lore was broke when they added earbuds and unusual effects. Why is "the lore" suddenly an argument against restrictions?

[QUOTE=CrucialSeBBi;46349927]The lore was broke when they added earbuds and unusual effects. Why is "the lore" suddenly an argument against restrictions?[/QUOTE] Slippery slope argument. Earbuds take up relatively little visual space, like the Max head are only available in small number, and were some of the first promo items before Valve experimented with how much stylization was necessary to keep the game somewhat consistent in the long run or even came up with the idea of restrictions for very weird items.

[QUOTE=CrucialSeBBi;46349927]The lore was broke when they added earbuds and unusual effects. Why is "the lore" suddenly an argument against restrictions?[/QUOTE] Although ear buds are apple made, clearly, similar earphones did exist in the time when tf2 is happening.

[QUOTE=knifekeeper;46349997]Although ear buds are apple made, clearly, similar earphones did exist in the time when tf2 is happening.[/QUOTE] Headphones did not exist of that size back then, no. In 1990 was about the time earbuds came around.

Soooo, It's a statement on Gift Farming, that leads into, with these achievements to get stuff, the possibility of Achievement farming? :v:

[QUOTE=Mighty AMF;46348071]Hey if we can shrink and enter other players and effect them Bowser's Inside Story style I wouldn't be complaining.[/QUOTE] I'd quit the fucking game

[QUOTE=Marik Bentusi;46349976]Slippery slope argument. Earbuds take up relatively little visual space, like the Max head are only available in small number, and were some of the first promo items before Valve experimented with how much stylization was necessary to keep the game somewhat consistent in the long run or even came up with the idea of restrictions for very weird items.[/QUOTE] How is it a slippery slope argument? I pointed out that having a chinese mustache for soldier isnt outrageous when you compare it to the other shit added in the past. I know the examples I used were promos, but they used to really care about not breaking this "lore", but they still did by adding Max Head, earbuds, dangeresque too and with many others. Heck even the goddamn toque doesn't fit the heavy's character, so technically you can say that the "lore" was broke in 2009.

[QUOTE=CrucialSeBBi;46350054]How is it a slippery slope argument? I pointed out that having a chinese mustache for soldier isnt outrageous when you compare it to the other shit added in the past. I know the examples I used were promos, but they used to really care about not breaking this "lore", but they still did by adding Max Head, earbuds, dangeresque too and with many others. Heck even the goddamn toque doesn't fit the heavy's character, so technically you can say that the "lore" was broke in 2009.[/QUOTE] TF2's "lore" shouldn't stop people from making decent cosmetics. It's a game set in a really silly art style in the first place. However, we shouldn't be saying "I want this rotting skeletal form of demoman available year round because we have worse unrestricted items".

I don't think we can trust the blog post image to be related to the update's content. Like 2012 where they've shown this on the blog post: [IMG]http://www.teamfortress.com/images/posts/halloween_2012.jpg[/IMG] While they weren't related to the halloween event whatsoever.

[QUOTE=clonelegion;46350098]TF2's "lore" shouldn't stop people from making decent cosmetics. It's a game set in a really silly art style in the first place. However, we shouldn't be saying "I want this rotting skeletal form of demoman available year round because we have worse unrestricted items".[/QUOTE] I dont want the non halloweeny stuff to be restricted ( faux manchu, incenerator) thats all really

[QUOTE=Hock;46349889]I'm no expert, but using the digit ratio theory this person/puppet/whateverthehell is probably female (however this appears to be some art, not an actual model so it might be different than in game). [/QUOTE] Don't bother using the digit ratio theory, it's a video game, the fingers can be as long as the designers want. Gametheorys used the same theory to explain that the Pyro was a gay male and it's predictable how that went (even though people shouldn't care since it's a satire channel), and the very idea of comparing finger sizes on video game models to determine sex is laughable at best. Also, [QUOTE=Hock;46349889]Supporting this theory, the thingy is using a crystal ball which are commonly used by gypsies and fortune tellers, who are almost entirely female.[/QUOTE] no they aren't, there are many male fortune tellers/fortune telling robots.

[QUOTE=Vincentor;46350110]I don't think we can trust the blog post image to be related to the update's content. Like 2012 where they've shown this on the blog post: [IMG]http://www.teamfortress.com/images/posts/halloween_2012.jpg[/IMG] While they weren't related to the halloween event whatsoever.[/QUOTE] They are related to [I]halloween[/I], because they are ghosts, but not to update itself. So does this year's pic. Maybe.

Judging by those hands.The puppet is a female.What if Merasmus was so lonley that he made himself a Puppet Wife?

I dunno, that blog post image seemed pretty specific and detailed, at least for that character. I expect we'll at [I]least[/I] see the fortune teller booth as a map prop. [editline]28th October 2014[/editline] The hands do look female though. Look at those fingernails.

[QUOTE=Pvt. Martin;46350009]Soooo, It's a statement on Gift Farming, that leads into, with these achievements to get stuff, the possibility of Achievement farming? :v:[/QUOTE] That depends on how hard it is to get the achievements, besides the problem they're addressing is idling more than farming, at least farming chievs requires some effort unlike idling.

[QUOTE=CrucialSeBBi;46350114]I dont want the non halloweeny stuff to be restricted ( faux manchu, incenerator) thats all really[/QUOTE] I wouldn't mind having some kind of ability that removes full moon restrictions on Halloween items. Even if it is a item you have to buy in the store.

I have a question. Especially now seeing Valve's response to the gift issue. Do automatic achievement unlocking on join servers still exist or has that issue been resolved?

[QUOTE=Mike16112;46351898]I wouldn't mind having some kind of ability that removes full moon restrictions on Halloween items. Even if it is a item you have to buy in the store.[/QUOTE] I'd love this. Maybe make them cost more than keys? And a bit of profit from the item goes to the creator who made the item you used it on?