TF2 Balance Discussion Thread

[MRTW113]

[QUOTE=GastricTank;23938367]How about... reduces #% taken from a 90 degree angle from the back, until it is destroyed, via backstab.

[img_thumb]http://i838.photobucket.com/albums/zz301/GastricTank/diagram.png[/img_thumb][/QUOTE]

I can imagine a newbie sniper's legitimate way of surviving is just running away with that thing.

Wouldn't that counter the Ambassador?

[Krype]

[QUOTE=MRTW113;23953142]I can imagine a newbie sniper's legitimate way of surviving is just running away with that thing.

Wouldn't that counter the Ambassador?[/QUOTE]

The only way to counter that would be keeping the blocking stat, but headshots work (but then, the sniper that runs away would just have to jump when running away, effectively lowering his chances of dying)

[SweetSwifter]

I think that TF2 is perfectly balanced. I find no weapon or item ever used against me to be so powerful that I had no way of beating it, nor give my opponent that much of an edge.

I love TF2, and Valve. :buddy:

[MRTW113]

^ Optimistic

[EvilShadow777]

[QUOTE=SweetSwifter;23956110]I think that TF2 is perfectly balanced. I find no weapon or item ever used against me to be so powerful that I had no way of beating it, nor give my opponent that much of an edge.

I love TF2, and Valve. :buddy:[/QUOTE]
Ok, so nothing overpowered..... but what about underpowered weapons, something that isn't even worthwhile to bring to the battlefield because it is so weak. Get my point?

[MRTW113]

[QUOTE=EvilShadow777;24037026]Ok, so nothing overpowered..... but what about underpowered weapons, something that isn't even worthwhile to bring to the battlefield because it is so weak. Get my point?[/QUOTE]
Dahkolas?

[EvilShadow777]

[QUOTE=MRTW113;24038811]Dahkolas?[/QUOTE]
Yea, one of the items I was hinting at. That and the Razorback to an extent, but the Dalokohs needs more work than the Razorback in my honest opinion.

[Pnukup]

Nerf everything problem solved

[EvilShadow777]

[QUOTE=Pnukup;24039033]Nerf everything problem solved[/QUOTE]
Thanks for the logical discussion and reading of the thread. /sarcasm

[MRTW113]

[QUOTE=Pnukup;24039033]Nerf everything problem solved[/QUOTE]

Gun battles where it takes 5 point blank shots with a shotgun to kill someone

[BobbyHill]

i thunk the tribalmans shiv shouldnt do a bleed effect. its annoying.

[EvilShadow777]

[QUOTE=MRTW113;24039493]Gun battles where it takes 5 point blank shots with a shotgun to kill someone[/QUOTE]
It costs $400,000 to kill 1 Scout at point blank with Sasha, in 12 seconds.

[MRTW113]

[QUOTE=BobbyHill;24039594]i thunk the jarate should do damage.[/QUOTE]
With the arc and all, it'd be really cool to see jarate throwing frags. Maybe like ~10 damage??

[NuckChorris]

[QUOTE=BobbyHill;24039594]i thunk the tribalmans shiv shouldnt do a bleed effect. its annoying.[/QUOTE]

What stat should it have instead?

[editline]06:41PM[/editline]

[QUOTE=MRTW113;24039633]With the arc and all, it'd be really cool to see jarate throwing frags. Maybe like ~10 damage??[/QUOTE]

Thats what I thought
~10 for direct
~5 if hit by the splash

[Scizor]

yea, you guys have a point there(after all if a person throws a piece of glass in you you get hurt right?).

[NuckChorris]

[QUOTE=Scizor;24042233]yea, you guys have a point there(after all if a person throws a piece of glass in you you get hurt right?).[/QUOTE]

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[MRTW113]

[QUOTE=BobbyHill;24039594]i thunk the tribalmans shiv shouldnt do a bleed effect. its annoying.[/QUOTE]

Besides the bat and knife, it is the weakest melee in the game

[GastricTank]

[QUOTE=Scizor;24042233]yea, you guys have a point there(after all if a person throws a piece of glass in you you get hurt right?).[/QUOTE]

Your name is Scizor and your avatar is a Scyther.

:colbert:

[NuckChorris]

[QUOTE=GastricTank;24042938]Your name is Scizor and your avatar is a Scyther.

:colbert:[/QUOTE]

Pokemon Professor right here, folks

[GastricTank]

[QUOTE=NuckChorris;24043150]Pokemon Professor right here, folks[/QUOTE]

Darn tootin'.

[Blueridge]

Here's my idea with the wrangler to nerf it:

-Has damage falloff(without shield it doesn't)
-Shield reduction reduced to 50%

That way, the shield helps it, and no sniping at long range. Then it would be situational like weapons are supposed to be.

[GastricTank]

[QUOTE=Blueridge;24043685]Here's my idea with the wrangler to nerf it:

-Has damage falloff(without shield it doesn't)
-Shield reduction reduced to 50%

That way, the shield helps it, and no sniping at long range. Then it would be situational like weapons are supposed to be.[/QUOTE]

This I agree with. Being killed by a sentry across the map outside my line of sight/attention is really annoying.

[MRTW113]

[QUOTE=Blueridge;24043685]Here's my idea with the wrangler to nerf it:

-Has damage falloff(without shield it doesn't)
-Shield reduction reduced to 50%

That way, the shield helps it, and no sniping at long range. Then it would be situational like weapons are supposed to be.[/QUOTE]

A complete nerf would kill it. I'd choose one of he two, not both

[FKop_Dragon]

[QUOTE=Blueridge;24043685]Here's my idea with the wrangler to nerf it:

-Has damage falloff(without shield it doesn't)
-Shield reduction reduced to 50%

That way, the shield helps it, and no sniping at long range. Then it would be situational like weapons are supposed to be.[/QUOTE]

The wrangler doesn't need to be nerfed. The engie needs to be able to see you to shoot you, thus you can see him. Take out the engie and it's piss easy to take out the sentry.

[Blueridge]

[QUOTE=FKop_Dragon;24046486]The wrangler doesn't need to be nerfed. The engie needs to be able to see you to shoot you, thus you can see him. Take out the engie and it's piss easy to take out the sentry.[/QUOTE]

Crouch behind the sentry's large as fuck hitbox
??
profit

[Fusilero1]

[QUOTE=Blueridge;24046653]Crouch behind the sentry's large as fuck hitbox
??
profit[/QUOTE]

Now you can't aim unless you can see through your sentry

[Blueridge]

[QUOTE=MRTW113;24044526]A complete nerf would kill it. I'd choose one of he two, not both[/QUOTE]

That was sorta one of the problems I could see: It would be a complete downgrade compared to the pistol. Maybe give it another upside, like extra protection for the engie etc

The idea is that you don't get sniped from battle decks from an engie, making it more useful on medium range.

FUCK MY AUTOMERGEEEE

[editline]05:09PM[/editline]

[QUOTE=Fusilero1;24046672]Now you can't aim unless you can see through your sentry[/QUOTE]

Um, look at the sides? It's pathetically easy to aim with the wrangler and be unseen/untargeted. If it really matters, you can even jump and strafe left and right.

[t man]

[QUOTE=MRTW113;24044526]A complete nerf would kill it. I'd choose one of he two, not both[/QUOTE]

it's still a sentry with that does twice the damage and effectively has 50% more health

it needs falloff, sentries with it can do way too much damage over huge distances and it's not even hard to aim due to the aim assist (which should probably go as well)

[Lt Kyle]

Nerf Demo's stickie launcher radius or damage, it's so annoying once you're just 1 inch outside it's radius. Insta-killed.

Trying to retreat? He pops another one in front of you taking away the chance to escape.

[EvilShadow777]

Guys I don't think the Wrangler needs a huge nerf, the Engineer is defenseless while using it since he has to rely on a standalone sentry. However with 2 Engineers there is a problem. If anything just nerf the shields a wee bit, not significantly but enough to make the Demo need one or two less stickies.